(05-13-2017 11:06 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 09:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:24 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  He hasn't been out of the 2nd round since 04-05 (12 years)

In that same time frame our program has been to overtime in the National Championship game, 2 other Elite 8's and another Sweet 16....and we were in the Tournament 8 of those 11 years

He tries to poo poo the history and tradition of our basketball program in order to lower expectations, imo. There is not a damn thing wrong with our program. A competent coach/recruiter could have us regularly in the tournament and Sweet 16s every 3rd year or so. He just isn't the guy.

Take out the Calipari years and what do you have? Not much...

Why the hell would you want to take out the best years in our program's history?

What kind of fan are you?

Are you a fan at all?

Oooh... rough stuff there!

(05-12-2017 03:47 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:37 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 02:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 02:38 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 02:35 PM)FUT Wrote:  It's not true.

Sorry but 3 minutes of negatives on why the kid shouldn't be considered a good Memphis recruit followed by but he is a overall decent player is a burial

Nope. Not at all what happened. There is a podcast. Maybe you should go listen again and report back. It was Tuesday by the way.

Don't need a podcast listened to it live

Then why are you spreading false info?

Here is what is crazy to me about the GP thing. GP is the one standing up for the Memphis program. He is the one pointing out how historically we are better than what is happening. Tubby is the one saying we are delusional and living in the past. And somehow people that call themselves Memphis fans want to take Tubbys side. It confuses me.

I listened to Gary's first show after the Lawson's bailed in its entirety and he had Easterwood on as well. Gary did not sound at all like a Tiger fan to me. He sounded more like a Gary Parrish fan. "I offered to help Dr. Rudd", "I talked to several coaches interested in the job" I, I, I. Blah blah blah. Haven't listened to him since or to Fric and Frac who come on 11-2.

(05-14-2017 03:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 06:52 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 12:01 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 11:24 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It is admirable and amazing that the "guy living in Canada" adopted the Tigers without living close to Memphis. It is embarrassing to other Tiger fans - frankly -that you confuse virtue with vice on his commendable dedication.

Oh boy. Some dude that has absolutely no ties with the city or University that comes to our board and disparages a recruit, and we are supposed to find it commendable? Well, he has latched onto to the "we hate Tubby, therefore we hate anything and anyone connected to the basketball program."

I'm sure you know that recruits definitely frequent these boards. They get to see how all of you think they suck. How they aren't worthy to be a Tiger. They are only ranked 140 in the nation?

It's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Whatever. I get it. A lot of you miserables are just that, miserable. You are unhappy people. We all know people like you. The 400 pound kid in mom's basement...

When faced with situations that you have absolutely no control over and it frustrates you, I suggest you learn the serenity prayer. Google it. Then, get off the Internet and try, as difficult as it may be, to do something positive.

Maybe you'll be a better person to be around. Maybe you'll get your fat &&& out of the basement. Wow, I feel better trying to help you guys! Glad to make a difference!

Quote:I suggest you learn the serenity prayer.

The serenity prayer? Is that the one where you call message board posters fucktards, morons and dunces? Is that the prayer where you tell someone who has a photo of himself playing hockey in his avatar, that hockey is "to" manly for him? What a joke.

Haha, look who has hurt feelings! Now quick-- go out there and watch some YouTube videos and give us a rundown on the top players. Amazing how you can evaluate players better than college basketball coaches. What a gift! Funny stuff...

Who is offering him besides the locals? Not exactly a who's who of programs on the upswing according to the RPI.

42 Vandy
68 Ole Miss
119 Memphis

8 Florida
46 Seton Hall
63 California
134 Temple
140 Tulsa
160 Tennessee Martin
195 LSU
253 Missouri

His offers will increase. Anyone that has seen him play know the kid has serious talent. But of course you haven't, but you've watched him in YouTube! Funny stuff there. No one is saying he'll be the next Derrick Rose, but he's has the ability to be an outstanding four year player.

(05-14-2017 06:35 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 03:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 06:52 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 12:01 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Oh boy. Some dude that has absolutely no ties with the city or University that comes to our board and disparages a recruit, and we are supposed to find it commendable? Well, he has latched onto to the "we hate Tubby, therefore we hate anything and anyone connected to the basketball program."

I'm sure you know that recruits definitely frequent these boards. They get to see how all of you think they suck. How they aren't worthy to be a Tiger. They are only ranked 140 in the nation?

It's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Whatever. I get it. A lot of you miserables are just that, miserable. You are unhappy people. We all know people like you. The 400 pound kid in mom's basement...

When faced with situations that you have absolutely no control over and it frustrates you, I suggest you learn the serenity prayer. Google it. Then, get off the Internet and try, as difficult as it may be, to do something positive.

Maybe you'll be a better person to be around. Maybe you'll get your fat &&& out of the basement. Wow, I feel better trying to help you guys! Glad to make a difference!

Quote:I suggest you learn the serenity prayer.

The serenity prayer? Is that the one where you call message board posters fucktards, morons and dunces? Is that the prayer where you tell someone who has a photo of himself playing hockey in his avatar, that hockey is "to" manly for him? What a joke.

Haha, look who has hurt feelings! Now quick-- go out there and watch some YouTube videos and give us a rundown on the top players. Amazing how you can evaluate players better than college basketball coaches. What a gift! Funny stuff...

Who is offering him besides the locals? Not exactly a who's who of programs on the upswing according to the RPI.

42 Vandy
68 Ole Miss
119 Memphis

8 Florida
46 Seton Hall
63 California
134 Temple
140 Tulsa
160 Tennessee Martin
195 LSU
253 Missouri

His offers will increase. Anyone that has seen him play know the kid has serious talent. But of course you haven't, but you've watched him in YouTube! Funny stuff there. No one is saying he'll be the next Derrick Rose, but he's has the ability to be an outstanding four year player.

Someone who gets it. Excellent point and I agree. Plain and simple some have agendas. When I said several times that I have seen him play a bunch and he's a winner and tough as nails, it wasn't good enough. Others here have seen him play too and said he's the real deal, but it some how isn't good enough. To say I want to have a healthy debate about Alex Lomax is ridiculous, weird and passive aggressive. All that bs about I've watched a video and he doesn't look like he can dribble with his left hand is nothing more than a passive aggressive way of saying he can't be all that great because of his rankings. If someone wants to tell me that they have seen player A from Florida and he is the real deal and is very talented, I'm going to trust them because I haven't ever seen player A from Florida play.

(05-14-2017 06:17 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:47 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:37 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 02:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 02:38 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Sorry but 3 minutes of negatives on why the kid shouldn't be considered a good Memphis recruit followed by but he is a overall decent player is a burial

Nope. Not at all what happened. There is a podcast. Maybe you should go listen again and report back. It was Tuesday by the way.

Don't need a podcast listened to it live

Then why are you spreading false info?

Here is what is crazy to me about the GP thing. GP is the one standing up for the Memphis program. He is the one pointing out how historically we are better than what is happening. Tubby is the one saying we are delusional and living in the past. And somehow people that call themselves Memphis fans want to take Tubbys side. It confuses me.

I listened to Gary's first show after the Lawson's bailed in its entirety and he had Easterwood on as well. Gary did not sound at all like a Tiger fan to me. He sounded more like a Gary Parrish fan. "I offered to help Dr. Rudd", "I talked to several coaches interested in the job" I, I, I. Blah blah blah. Haven't listened to him since or to Fric and Frac who come on 11-2.

Gary has never acted like he was a fan of Memphis. It is all about him.

(05-14-2017 06:35 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 03:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 06:52 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 12:01 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Oh boy. Some dude that has absolutely no ties with the city or University that comes to our board and disparages a recruit, and we are supposed to find it commendable? Well, he has latched onto to the "we hate Tubby, therefore we hate anything and anyone connected to the basketball program."

I'm sure you know that recruits definitely frequent these boards. They get to see how all of you think they suck. How they aren't worthy to be a Tiger. They are only ranked 140 in the nation?

It's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. Whatever. I get it. A lot of you miserables are just that, miserable. You are unhappy people. We all know people like you. The 400 pound kid in mom's basement...

When faced with situations that you have absolutely no control over and it frustrates you, I suggest you learn the serenity prayer. Google it. Then, get off the Internet and try, as difficult as it may be, to do something positive.

Maybe you'll be a better person to be around. Maybe you'll get your fat &&& out of the basement. Wow, I feel better trying to help you guys! Glad to make a difference!

Quote:I suggest you learn the serenity prayer.

The serenity prayer? Is that the one where you call message board posters fucktards, morons and dunces? Is that the prayer where you tell someone who has a photo of himself playing hockey in his avatar, that hockey is "to" manly for him? What a joke.

Haha, look who has hurt feelings! Now quick-- go out there and watch some YouTube videos and give us a rundown on the top players. Amazing how you can evaluate players better than college basketball coaches. What a gift! Funny stuff...

Who is offering him besides the locals? Not exactly a who's who of programs on the upswing according to the RPI.

42 Vandy
68 Ole Miss
119 Memphis

8 Florida
46 Seton Hall
63 California
134 Temple
140 Tulsa
160 Tennessee Martin
195 LSU
253 Missouri

His offers will increase. Anyone that has seen him play know the kid has serious talent. But of course you haven't, but you've watched him in YouTube! Funny stuff there. No one is saying he'll be the next Derrick Rose, but he's has the ability to be an outstanding four year player.

His offers will increase? Is this some vision from one of your serenity prayers, something you just pulled out thin air, or do you communicate with college coaches? Let me guess...

Maybe coaches are taking out his best highlights the same way that comically want to erase our years with Cal when you denigrate us as a program.

(05-14-2017 07:44 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 06:35 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 03:17 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 06:52 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 05:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The serenity prayer? Is that the one where you call message board posters fucktards, morons and dunces? Is that the prayer where you tell someone who has a photo of himself playing hockey in his avatar, that hockey is "to" manly for him? What a joke.

Haha, look who has hurt feelings! Now quick-- go out there and watch some YouTube videos and give us a rundown on the top players. Amazing how you can evaluate players better than college basketball coaches. What a gift! Funny stuff...

Who is offering him besides the locals? Not exactly a who's who of programs on the upswing according to the RPI.

42 Vandy
68 Ole Miss
119 Memphis

8 Florida
46 Seton Hall
63 California
134 Temple
140 Tulsa
160 Tennessee Martin
195 LSU
253 Missouri

His offers will increase. Anyone that has seen him play know the kid has serious talent. But of course you haven't, but you've watched him in YouTube! Funny stuff there. No one is saying he'll be the next Derrick Rose, but he's has the ability to be an outstanding four year player.

Someone who gets it. Excellent point and I agree. Plain and simple some have agendas. When I said several times that I have seen him play a bunch and he's a winner and tough as nails, it wasn't good enough. Others here have seen him play too and said he's the real deal, but it some how isn't good enough. To say I want to have a healthy debate about Alex Lomax is ridiculous, weird and passive aggressive. All that bs about I've watched a video and he doesn't look like he can dribble with his left hand is nothing more than a passive aggressive way of saying he can't be all that great because of his rankings. If someone wants to tell me that they have seen player A from Florida and he is the real deal and is very talented, I'm going to trust them because I haven't ever seen player A from Florida play.

I'm not being passive aggressive, I'm being very direct. Your opinion is completely meaningless, and talk about having an agenda, you clearly have an obvious agenda with Tubby. He has been a completel failure since we gave him the job. The only reason he took it is so he could hire Saul.

Quote:Others here have seen him play too and said he's the real deal, but it some how isn't good enough.

This is the funniest part. Others, as in the services which btw, includes the 24/7 service comprised supposedly of dozens of experts have him ranked #194. He barely has any decent offers. Others say that's where he belongs. What if I saw Thon Maker play and said he sucked? Would you believe me?

(05-14-2017 06:17 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:47 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:37 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 02:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 02:38 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  Sorry but 3 minutes of negatives on why the kid shouldn't be considered a good Memphis recruit followed by but he is a overall decent player is a burial

Nope. Not at all what happened. There is a podcast. Maybe you should go listen again and report back. It was Tuesday by the way.

Don't need a podcast listened to it live

Then why are you spreading false info?

Here is what is crazy to me about the GP thing. GP is the one standing up for the Memphis program. He is the one pointing out how historically we are better than what is happening. Tubby is the one saying we are delusional and living in the past. And somehow people that call themselves Memphis fans want to take Tubbys side. It confuses me.

I listened to Gary's first show after the Lawson's bailed in its entirety and he had Easterwood on as well. Gary did not sound at all like a Tiger fan to me. He sounded more like a Gary Parrish fan. "I offered to help Dr. Rudd", "I talked to several coaches interested in the job" I, I, I. Blah blah blah. Haven't listened to him since or to Fric and Frac who come on 11-2.

GP high fived Pat Forde when Chalmers hit the shot. End of story.

(05-14-2017 10:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 06:17 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:47 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:37 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 02:57 PM)FUT Wrote:  Nope. Not at all what happened. There is a podcast. Maybe you should go listen again and report back. It was Tuesday by the way.

Don't need a podcast listened to it live

Then why are you spreading false info?

Here is what is crazy to me about the GP thing. GP is the one standing up for the Memphis program. He is the one pointing out how historically we are better than what is happening. Tubby is the one saying we are delusional and living in the past. And somehow people that call themselves Memphis fans want to take Tubbys side. It confuses me.

I listened to Gary's first show after the Lawson's bailed in its entirety and he had Easterwood on as well. Gary did not sound at all like a Tiger fan to me. He sounded more like a Gary Parrish fan. "I offered to help Dr. Rudd", "I talked to several coaches interested in the job" I, I, I. Blah blah blah. Haven't listened to him since or to Fric and Frac who come on 11-2.

GP high fived Pat Forde when Chalmers hit the shot. End of story.

Yea...but at least he didn't suggest we learn the serenity prayer...

rip memtiger1987

(05-14-2017 12:43 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:27 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:25 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 11:47 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  Yeah, you nailed it here

I'm expecting Lomax to be about Andre Allen level

Imagine if Allen was a starter his junior and senior year (like I expect of Lomax)

We wouldn't have been a high level team, right? I don't think so.

I hope he comes in and turns the program around from day 1. But there is a slim chance of that happening. And when it doesn't happen I sure hope some of the posters here don't throw the kid under the bus and blame him (and other players) for the failure of the program instead of the guy making 3million per year win games.

Andre and Antonio were 3-stars with composite rankings of .84 - .85. Lomax is a 4-star with a composite of .92. Lomax is as close to the rankings of Harrison Barnes and Dwight Howard (the #1 players each year), as he is to Andre and Antonio.

If we want to put all our stock into rankings and all.

Can you give us a link to where he is rated as a 4* at? All the major rating services have him listed as a 3*.


actually I just saw on ESPN he is listed as a 4* with a composite of 82. A lot closer to Andre Allen than Dwight Howard and Harrison Barnes. The fact that you even put him in the same sentence as DH and HB says something though.

Research the 247 composite rankings (linked in my post above), and get back to me.

Yep, so your expectations are Lomax to be Dwight Howard or Harrison Barnes, got it.

My expectation is you don't want to have a reasonable discussion about this, if that is your truthful takeaway.

You guys were saying Lomax is projecting similar to Antonio and Andre. I showed you the link that proves his numbers are as close to Howard and Barnes, as he is to Antonio and Andre. The point is - there is a big gap between his numbers and the 2 backups to whom you were relegating him.

(05-14-2017 02:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:43 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:27 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Can you give us a link to where he is rated as a 4* at? All the major rating services have him listed as a 3*.


actually I just saw on ESPN he is listed as a 4* with a composite of 82. A lot closer to Andre Allen than Dwight Howard and Harrison Barnes. The fact that you even put him in the same sentence as DH and HB says something though.

Research the 247 composite rankings (linked in my post above), and get back to me.

Yep, so your expectations are Lomax to be Dwight Howard or Harrison Barnes, got it.

Come on man, there's no way he is saying that.

100 Dwight Howard
92 Alex Lomax
84-85 Andre Allen/Antonio Barton

He seems to be saying that Lomax will perform closer to the level of Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins and Ben Simmons than Andre Allen or Antonio Barton.

You project yourself as a logical guy - then you post something like this. You're conveniently illogical.

I didn't say Lomax will peform like anything. You guys said he would perform like Andre and Antonio and you implied this was logical based on his numbers. I pointed out that you were full of it, because his numbers were as close to Dwight and Harrison as they were to Andre and Antonio. So there's no way you can project him towards the backup pg role like you did - logically and all.

The guy from over there makes false and ridiculous statements. But it fits his agenda.

Go Tigers

(05-13-2017 11:01 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 09:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:46 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 04:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 09:17 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Willie Kemp as in the freshman PG starter who went to the Sweet 16? Who was then recruited over by Derrick Rose, followed by Tyreke Evans? Ok, I want to see this kid Lomax if he is better than Willie Kemp.

Some guy says that he would be "shocked" if Lomax isn't better than Willie Kemp. Aside from arguing with people with common sense on this board he is also arguing with every single recruiting service.

If you don't agree with him he will say that you are dumb and beyond dumb, ridiculous, that kind of stuff. Who is he? He's a nobody.

Typical response from the I know everything from way over here guy.

It would seem the nobody is you, most know that though. Keep being you, winning friends and influencing people.

Joe, lots of people here know both of us personally. I am pretty sure way over here guy has more friends in Memphis than you do.

I'm pretty sure you are out of your mind if you remotely believe that bs. But if that makes you feel good, knock yourself out. Before long you can post stuff like "I knew Larry better than you"

Keep posting your lies though. To be clear, I have only met five people from this board. One of those was Matt Dillon who I met many years ago prior to me getting on this board. So to say lots of people from this board know me personally is totally false. I could have met Bandwagon jumper the other day at the baseball game he invited me to, but I was unable to attend. I can't imagine you having more friends in Memphis than me considering I have lived here my whole life. I truly hope you treat the folks you do claim to be friends with better than you treat many posters and Tiger fans on this board. I don't engage or argue with you about the Tigers because I have no respect for you. It's unreal to me that you treat people here with no dignity at all. You belittle many posters as if you know better than the people who actually are Memphians and have been lifelong fans and been going to games since they were kids. Instead of bashing fellow Tiger fans who live here you could be friendly and value their opinion. That's what I would do if I got on a Canadian hockey board or a Toronto Bluejays message board. I wouldn't act like I know better than the folks who have lived it their whole lives. Take that guy from Detroit, MotorCitySam, he is very respectful to other Tiger fans here, especially the fans who live here. He doesn't belittle and disrespect fellow posters and Tiger fans. Time for me to ignore you.

Thanks, Joe. I have been upfront about being a Tubby Smith fan, which is what brought me to this board. I have also conveyed that I have followed Memphis basketball for a long time. Smith being hired at Memphis was exciting to me because it matched one of my favorite coaches with one of the favorite college basketball programs of my youth. After seeing Smith take Minnesota and Texas Tech to the tournament, I remain convinced that he will be very successful at Memphis. I haven't posted that much lately on the board because it seems like every thread degenerates into the same thing, but I try to keep my conversations civil and fact based.

Actually, this board reminds me a bit of the Texas Tech board after Smith's first year. There were some transfers out of Lubbock, and people didn't think Smith was recruiting the Dallas area enough. The message boards certainly had their share of negative posters. I will say that one difference is that the negative comments about Smith here are a lot more mean spirited and personal. That does get tiresome.

As far as the original point of the thread, I can see why Smith doesn't make it a priority to appear on that radio show. They pretty much took sides during the past few weeks. In the greater scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if Smith appears on that show or not. Wins and losses are what matters. All the off season talk is just killing time and trying to get ratings, clicks, and calls.

Go Tigers Go.

(05-14-2017 05:34 PM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 11:01 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 09:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:46 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 04:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Some guy says that he would be "shocked" if Lomax isn't better than Willie Kemp. Aside from arguing with people with common sense on this board he is also arguing with every single recruiting service.

If you don't agree with him he will say that you are dumb and beyond dumb, ridiculous, that kind of stuff. Who is he? He's a nobody.

Typical response from the I know everything from way over here guy.

It would seem the nobody is you, most know that though. Keep being you, winning friends and influencing people.

Joe, lots of people here know both of us personally. I am pretty sure way over here guy has more friends in Memphis than you do.

I'm pretty sure you are out of your mind if you remotely believe that bs. But if that makes you feel good, knock yourself out. Before long you can post stuff like "I knew Larry better than you"

Keep posting your lies though. To be clear, I have only met five people from this board. One of those was Matt Dillon who I met many years ago prior to me getting on this board. So to say lots of people from this board know me personally is totally false. I could have met Bandwagon jumper the other day at the baseball game he invited me to, but I was unable to attend. I can't imagine you having more friends in Memphis than me considering I have lived here my whole life. I truly hope you treat the folks you do claim to be friends with better than you treat many posters and Tiger fans on this board. I don't engage or argue with you about the Tigers because I have no respect for you. It's unreal to me that you treat people here with no dignity at all. You belittle many posters as if you know better than the people who actually are Memphians and have been lifelong fans and been going to games since they were kids. Instead of bashing fellow Tiger fans who live here you could be friendly and value their opinion. That's what I would do if I got on a Canadian hockey board or a Toronto Bluejays message board. I wouldn't act like I know better than the folks who have lived it their whole lives. Take that guy from Detroit, MotorCitySam, he is very respectful to other Tiger fans here, especially the fans who live here. He doesn't belittle and disrespect fellow posters and Tiger fans. Time for me to ignore you.

Thanks, Joe. I have been upfront about being a Tubby Smith fan, which is what brought me to this board. I have also conveyed that I have followed Memphis basketball for a long time. Smith being hired at Memphis was exciting to me because it matched one of my favorite coaches with one of the favorite college basketball programs of my youth. After seeing Smith take Minnesota and Texas Tech to the tournament, I remain convinced that he will be very successful at Memphis. I haven't posted that much lately on the board because it seems like every thread degenerates into the same thing, but I try to keep my conversations civil and fact based.

Actually, this board reminds me a bit of the Texas Tech board after Smith's first year. There were some transfers out of Lubbock, and people didn't think Smith was recruiting the Dallas area enough. The message boards certainly had their share of negative posters. I will say that one difference is that the negative comments about Smith here are a lot more mean spirited and personal. That does get tiresome.

As far as the original point of the thread, I can see why Smith doesn't make it a priority to appear on that radio show. They pretty much took sides during the past few weeks. In the greater scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if Smith appears on that show or not. Wins and losses are what matters. All the off season talk is just killing time and trying to get ratings, clicks, and calls.

Go Tigers Go.

When you say "that" radio show, can you give examples of other radio shows that Tubby does make it a priority of appearing on?

You can't spin it. On a scale of 1-10 when it comes to media, Tubby is a solid 2.

(05-14-2017 05:46 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 05:34 PM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 11:01 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 09:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:46 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Typical response from the I know everything from way over here guy.

It would seem the nobody is you, most know that though. Keep being you, winning friends and influencing people.

Joe, lots of people here know both of us personally. I am pretty sure way over here guy has more friends in Memphis than you do.

I'm pretty sure you are out of your mind if you remotely believe that bs. But if that makes you feel good, knock yourself out. Before long you can post stuff like "I knew Larry better than you"

Keep posting your lies though. To be clear, I have only met five people from this board. One of those was Matt Dillon who I met many years ago prior to me getting on this board. So to say lots of people from this board know me personally is totally false. I could have met Bandwagon jumper the other day at the baseball game he invited me to, but I was unable to attend. I can't imagine you having more friends in Memphis than me considering I have lived here my whole life. I truly hope you treat the folks you do claim to be friends with better than you treat many posters and Tiger fans on this board. I don't engage or argue with you about the Tigers because I have no respect for you. It's unreal to me that you treat people here with no dignity at all. You belittle many posters as if you know better than the people who actually are Memphians and have been lifelong fans and been going to games since they were kids. Instead of bashing fellow Tiger fans who live here you could be friendly and value their opinion. That's what I would do if I got on a Canadian hockey board or a Toronto Bluejays message board. I wouldn't act like I know better than the folks who have lived it their whole lives. Take that guy from Detroit, MotorCitySam, he is very respectful to other Tiger fans here, especially the fans who live here. He doesn't belittle and disrespect fellow posters and Tiger fans. Time for me to ignore you.

Thanks, Joe. I have been upfront about being a Tubby Smith fan, which is what brought me to this board. I have also conveyed that I have followed Memphis basketball for a long time. Smith being hired at Memphis was exciting to me because it matched one of my favorite coaches with one of the favorite college basketball programs of my youth. After seeing Smith take Minnesota and Texas Tech to the tournament, I remain convinced that he will be very successful at Memphis. I haven't posted that much lately on the board because it seems like every thread degenerates into the same thing, but I try to keep my conversations civil and fact based.

Actually, this board reminds me a bit of the Texas Tech board after Smith's first year. There were some transfers out of Lubbock, and people didn't think Smith was recruiting the Dallas area enough. The message boards certainly had their share of negative posters. I will say that one difference is that the negative comments about Smith here are a lot more mean spirited and personal. That does get tiresome.

As far as the original point of the thread, I can see why Smith doesn't make it a priority to appear on that radio show. They pretty much took sides during the past few weeks. In the greater scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if Smith appears on that show or not. Wins and losses are what matters. All the off season talk is just killing time and trying to get ratings, clicks, and calls.

Go Tigers Go.

When you say "that" radio show, can you give examples of other radio shows that Tubby does make it a priority of appearing on?

You can't spin it. On a scale of 1-10 when it comes to media, Tubby is a solid 2.

Sure, man. Whatever you say.

I just realized that this thread moved to the "smack" forum, and I don't do message board battles. Have a good day.

(05-14-2017 05:46 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 05:34 PM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 11:01 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 09:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:46 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Typical response from the I know everything from way over here guy.

It would seem the nobody is you, most know that though. Keep being you, winning friends and influencing people.

Joe, lots of people here know both of us personally. I am pretty sure way over here guy has more friends in Memphis than you do.

I'm pretty sure you are out of your mind if you remotely believe that bs. But if that makes you feel good, knock yourself out. Before long you can post stuff like "I knew Larry better than you"

Keep posting your lies though. To be clear, I have only met five people from this board. One of those was Matt Dillon who I met many years ago prior to me getting on this board. So to say lots of people from this board know me personally is totally false. I could have met Bandwagon jumper the other day at the baseball game he invited me to, but I was unable to attend. I can't imagine you having more friends in Memphis than me considering I have lived here my whole life. I truly hope you treat the folks you do claim to be friends with better than you treat many posters and Tiger fans on this board. I don't engage or argue with you about the Tigers because I have no respect for you. It's unreal to me that you treat people here with no dignity at all. You belittle many posters as if you know better than the people who actually are Memphians and have been lifelong fans and been going to games since they were kids. Instead of bashing fellow Tiger fans who live here you could be friendly and value their opinion. That's what I would do if I got on a Canadian hockey board or a Toronto Bluejays message board. I wouldn't act like I know better than the folks who have lived it their whole lives. Take that guy from Detroit, MotorCitySam, he is very respectful to other Tiger fans here, especially the fans who live here. He doesn't belittle and disrespect fellow posters and Tiger fans. Time for me to ignore you.

Thanks, Joe. I have been upfront about being a Tubby Smith fan, which is what brought me to this board. I have also conveyed that I have followed Memphis basketball for a long time. Smith being hired at Memphis was exciting to me because it matched one of my favorite coaches with one of the favorite college basketball programs of my youth. After seeing Smith take Minnesota and Texas Tech to the tournament, I remain convinced that he will be very successful at Memphis. I haven't posted that much lately on the board because it seems like every thread degenerates into the same thing, but I try to keep my conversations civil and fact based.

Actually, this board reminds me a bit of the Texas Tech board after Smith's first year. There were some transfers out of Lubbock, and people didn't think Smith was recruiting the Dallas area enough. The message boards certainly had their share of negative posters. I will say that one difference is that the negative comments about Smith here are a lot more mean spirited and personal. That does get tiresome.

As far as the original point of the thread, I can see why Smith doesn't make it a priority to appear on that radio show. They pretty much took sides during the past few weeks. In the greater scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if Smith appears on that show or not. Wins and losses are what matters. All the off season talk is just killing time and trying to get ratings, clicks, and calls.

Go Tigers Go.

When you say "that" radio show, can you give examples of other radio shows that Tubby does make it a priority of appearing on?

You can't spin it. On a scale of 1-10 when it comes to media, Tubby is a solid 2.

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(05-14-2017 03:01 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:43 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:27 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:25 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Andre and Antonio were 3-stars with composite rankings of .84 - .85. Lomax is a 4-star with a composite of .92. Lomax is as close to the rankings of Harrison Barnes and Dwight Howard (the #1 players each year), as he is to Andre and Antonio.

If we want to put all our stock into rankings and all.

Can you give us a link to where he is rated as a 4* at? All the major rating services have him listed as a 3*.


actually I just saw on ESPN he is listed as a 4* with a composite of 82. A lot closer to Andre Allen than Dwight Howard and Harrison Barnes. The fact that you even put him in the same sentence as DH and HB says something though.

Research the 247 composite rankings (linked in my post above), and get back to me.

Yep, so your expectations are Lomax to be Dwight Howard or Harrison Barnes, got it.

My expectation is you don't want to have a reasonable discussion about this, if that is your truthful takeaway.

You guys were saying Lomax is projecting similar to Antonio and Andre. I showed you the link that proves his numbers are as close to Howard and Barnes, as he is to Antonio and Andre. The point is - there is a big gap between his numbers and the 2 backups to whom you were relegating him.

The point is, that AA and Barton performed better than their ranking but that is what should be expected of Lomax.

(05-14-2017 03:06 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 02:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:43 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-14-2017 12:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Research the 247 composite rankings (linked in my post above), and get back to me.

Yep, so your expectations are Lomax to be Dwight Howard or Harrison Barnes, got it.

Come on man, there's no way he is saying that.

100 Dwight Howard
92 Alex Lomax
84-85 Andre Allen/Antonio Barton

He seems to be saying that Lomax will perform closer to the level of Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins and Ben Simmons than Andre Allen or Antonio Barton.

You project yourself as a logical guy - then you post something like this. You're conveniently illogical.

I didn't say Lomax will peform like anything. You guys said he would perform like Andre and Antonio and you implied this was logical based on his numbers. I pointed out that you were full of it, because his numbers were as close to Dwight and Harrison as they were to Andre and Antonio. So there's no way you can project him towards the backup pg role like you did - logically and all.

Again, AA and Barton performed BETTER than their ranking. Lomax should perform at a similar level to them.

Quote:So there's no way you can project him towards the backup pg role like you did - logically and all.

If Willie Kemp at #53 averages 6.4 points and 2.1 assists per game as a freshman and #18 Joe Jackson averages 9.9 and 3.1 assists per game, then of course you project #132/140/194 as a backup...seeing that we are being logical and all.

(05-14-2017 03:21 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  The guy from over there makes false and ridiculous statements. But it fits his agenda.

Go Tigers

Speaking of an agenda...

Quote:A certain poster wants to run down Lomax and say he isn't all that great. He knows this even though he's never watched the kid play one second.

Quote:I agree but we have one poster here that says he has no real good offers and he must not be very good. He should know because he looks up ratings on the internet. No need to watch him play.

Quote:The word that sticks out to me is "denigrate"! We have a handful here that denigrates daily. Sad but true. Some also make false statements that at best are asinine. Such as Tubby only took the job here so Saul could get and have a job.

Quote:The main point from the OP is dead on accurate. We have some posters that denigrate the coach and players that have signed and players we are recruiting. It's a sad fact. And technically I did the same with josh. But to my credit I didn't do it five minutes after he was hired because I didn't like the hire. I gave him a chance and he failed.

Quote:You need to get a throng of people and storm the athletic building. Yelling and chanting and screaming! Get your Pitchforks and torches ready. Let me know when you got this planned so I can go watch and laugh.

Quote:He hates him. And he's hoping that Tubby doesn't win, it's rather obvious.

Quote:Great response. I couldn't believe what I read, well actually I can. Anyone who has seen Alex Lomax play would never post anything so laughable.

Quote:This is hilarious. So now when Lomax signs with Memphis people will actually say this kid isn't any good?? This is beyond dumb.

Quote:Comparing Kemp to Lomax is ridiculous.

Quote:If I did answer your questions all you will do is come back and want to argue. I've seen the kid play several times. He is plenty good. Most schools would love to have a kid of his caliber on their team. He's a winner.

Quote:Go complain to the moderators

Quote:You could get a jumpstart on everything and stop posting, right?!! Cause what's the point, since it's over!

Bye bye

Quote:The idea that someone from far away can state that Lomax won't be as good as kemp is baffling.

Quote:So if we have a few here that want to continue to say he won't be as good as Kemp, something is wrong, especially considering these folks have never been in a Memphis high school gym to see him play.

Quote:Nope. I'm celebrating a birthday over here. Maybe it's your hope that I pass out. You know that way you can read really quality posting from the guy from Canada. He knows so much about Lomax and everything. He can google stats.

Quote:You remind me of Penny Lane. Common sense

Quote:It's obvious what's happening here. The folks that don't like Tubby as our coach, such as the guy living in Canada, are now saying Lomax isn't all that wonderful due to a ranking. Never mind they have never gone to watch him play. Who needs to watch the kid play when we have rankings. There is a clear agenda going on. And if it means getting on a message board to rundown Lomax to achieve the agenda, that's what they will do. If Lomax signs it will be "so what". If Lomax turns out to be a great Tiger guard it will be crickets, nothing. I love how some of us that actually live here have made it a point to go watch him. We can tell he's a player. But others who don't live here and have never seen him play tell us we don't know what we are talking about.

Quote:Why don't you go cry and complain about it to the mods. You strike me as someone who constantly *itches and complains.

I don't give a crap that some guy from Canada likes the Tigers. If he likes the Tigers so much why does he say negative bs about a local Memphis kid who is a very good player and who is being recruited hard by the Memphis staff? And why does he belittle fellow Memphis Tiger fans?

Quote:More of the same. Passive aggressive

Quote:Typical response from the I know everything from way over here guy.

It would seem the nobody is you, most know that though. Keep being you, winning friends and influencing people.

Quote:We can agree to disagree with this too. If you go read his posts to me it is evident in several that he is being a jerk and is trying to belittle me. Now his last response to me I have no idea if he was because I didn't read it, what's the point. I said I was going back to ignoring the guy. But I would bet money somewhere in his post he is being a jerk. There is good reason he has a record number of times for being banned. I stated in more than one post that I wasn't going to answer his questions because I have no respect for him and no desire to go back and forth. I will assure you in less than two weeks he will be arguing with someone else. It's what he does. For the life of me it makes no sense to get off on wanting to argue with people who are fans of the same team. But he loves it. Now it would make sense to argue with a UT fan or an ole miss fan, but this guy treats fellow Tiger fans like crap.

Quote:The guy from over there makes false and ridiculous statements. But it fits his agenda.

Quote:What I realize is how horrible your posts are.

Quote:He loved wonder boy. Defended his 5-26 record against the top 25 at every turn. Since gumdrop was so wonderful how come he isn't the coach here anymore? Oh I know, his massive losing record against the top 25, fans staying away in droves, never coming remotely close to winning the conference, no tournament of any kind in year 6 and 7, a losing record in the NCAA tournament at 2-4, and zero Sweet 16's, not to mention players leaving the program-his players no less. That's why he's no longer the coach here. But a few smart guys loved him.

Quote:Garbage

Quote:The only recruit any school and coach can lose are the ones they offered a scholarship to. So if someone here is saying we lost player A, but we never offered player A a scholarship...we didn't lose that player. And furthermore that poster either doesn't know jack or they have an agenda.

Quote:Some of the individuals in this thread don't fit what you are looking for.

Quote:You guys love having this same damn argument day after day. I like the players we signed. If you want to act like Nickleberry and Johnson are garbage, something is wrong with you. I like the four juco players we have. What I was referring to is 2018 recruiting. If Tubby can't get Lomax I will not be pleased. However I think he will get him. Will you be pleased if Lomax signs with us? Or will you still *itch?

Quote:You needed help. The other day you were the on an island by yourself. You remember when you proclaimed that we lost Usman to ECU without even offering him a scholarship. But don't let those little facts stand in your way.

Quote:He's on a mission. It has a lot to do with his favorite. The gee golly guy.

Quote:Now this is funny. +3 for you. I feel confident that when some here aren't bitching and bashing they are complaining and reporting to the mods.

Quote:Six more months of this "sad song". Y'all pace yourself now.

Quote: Either some here don't understand how recruiting works, like you said, or they have an agenda. It's almost funny

Quote:What A Freaking Joke!

Quote:Ridiculous

Quote:It's called agenda.

What an incredible body of work. So many posts without saying anything.

see if you can understand this... I am choosing to wait and see in regards to Tubby Smith. I do not want to rip and bash and tear him and his staff down, because I do not view it as fair or prudent or productive for anyone at this time. Key words "at this time". I am not afraid of criticizing Tubby or any future coach. However, since we haven't played one second of one game in year two, I will wait and see if he begins to get my favorite team going strong again. I am waiting to see his 2018 recruiting. If he isn't getting the job done, I will voice my opinion. But I won't voice my displeasure in a harsh way again because whether you believe it or not I took no pleasure or joy out of criticizing and bashing Josh. It was a miserable time for me. I have no agenda in regards to Tubby. I'm giving him a chance to sink or swim. I'm hopeful he is successful in wins on the court and recruiting. If not I will say he isn't the right guy for the job. Obviously I have the right to wait and see before I judge him. You too have the right to do what you want to do. I don't like the idea of arguing and fighting with fellow Tiger fans, it's not fun for me. I can understand arguing with fans of different schools, but even that is something I wouldn't enjoy. Lastly if you enjoy the arguing game or debating everything about Tiger hoops, you will have to find someone else to do it with. I love Tiger basketball, I grew up with it and all around it. At a very young age I got to have cool friendships with former Tiger greats, like Larry, because of my dad. I know a good basketball player when I see one. I'm sure you know the game quite well yourself. I have no desire to continue the back and forth with you. I want to enjoy and have fun with Tiger basketball. May God bless you.