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(05-05-2017 09:57 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(05-04-2017 11:30 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Fans these days hate antiquated, dingy amenities, especially women.

Calling our women dingy and antiquated isn't going to win you many friends around here pardner, even if you do mask it by lumping them in with 'amenities'.

Well done Rick. Grammar can be a frightful thing.

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(05-04-2017 08:34 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
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(05-04-2017 04:20 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 10:55 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Again we get the facile explanation for why Rice hasn't gotten a P5 invite: the AD just isn't making the right phone calls and slick presentations. Some Rice fans just will not accept reality: we are a long way from the kind of revenue potential required for an invite. The plan is to increase revenue - no sales wizardry will work until Rice can show the P5 the money.

You got it.

Ok, so what's the plan to increase revenue?

Among other things, Karlgaard has specifically mentioned improved season ticket sales, modernizing (that is to say, bring into the 21st century) ticket sales and marketing, increased Owl Club membership, and marketing. These are things he and his staff can address.

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
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Moving the Stanford game to Australia wasn't done to make a boatload of needed cash - there is no boatload. It wasn't done to increase national exposure - the home game almost certainly would have been on national TV anyway. It obviously wasn't done with the intent of increasing local interest in Rice Football and enticing more fans to HRS. It wasn't even done just to give us a better shot at winning this one game - making Stanford go 2 time zones east (studies have shown the effects) AND play in Houston heat & humidity was our best shot at an equalizing factor.

An opportunity arose to do something unique and nice for the players and we took it because it won't cost us extra. End of story. Which is fine but let's not kid ourselves about it being part of a new dawn for Rice Athletics. Moving the Stanford game to Australia was not in service of any grand plan. There is no grand plan.

Our "plan," such as it is, is to compete at this lower level, graduate players, not violate NCAA rules, and garner lots of all-academic awards (all of which we were already doing anyway) while being somewhat more professional and businesslike in the areas of marketing, ticket sales, sponsorships, etc., which, you know, hooray for that. But all that is going to do is keep us up with the Joneses here in CUSA. We are not aspiring to anything greater.

Oh, sure, if an upward conference move were to magically drop into our lap we'd say yes, but we are not actively going after one, "strategically positioning ourselves," or anything of the sort. And so it's not going to happen. Unless we start doing far more than we're currently doing, the next move will be down or lateral: you can take that to the bank. The plan *for Karlgaard* appears to be to put just enough positive bullet points on his resume (managed rebranding! raised revenue! made presentation to Big XII!) so that he can move onward and upward before it becomes clear there is no real plan for us to do likewise.

Quote:Get into a regional conference. If the B12 doesn't want Rice, then build something new in this area with current West members and select Sun Belt members. Play regional teams at Rice Stadium. At least advocate for a revised scheduling model in CUSA that emphasizes divisional play in everything.

A tighter regional conference of Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Texas State, Arkansas State, LTU, ULL, etc. would indeed probably result in marginally increased attendance at Rice events . . . by out-of-town fans. It does nothing to solve Rice's fundamental conundrum - we are a highly selective national university with students and alumni from all across the country and world who do not now nor will they ever give two flips about competing against open-admission non-flagship public colleges. Swapping out MTSU, Old Dominion, F[I/A]U, etc. for Texas State, Arkansas State, etc. does not move the needle for Rice. People can rail at that as elitist, disrespectful to other CUSA members, out of touch with reality given our past ignorance of the need to cultivate revenue, etc., and once they've gotten that virtue signaling out of their system, we'll be right back here where we started, trying to deal with immutable human nature. What do you think would happen to athletics at Stanford if they were dropped into a conference of San Jose State, Fresno State, etc.? You cannot force feed Rice people a diet of lower-profile opponents and make them like it, doesn't matter whether the schools are instate/1 state away or 5-6 states away.

Quote:Bring friends to the games and be sure to show them a great time.

I wouldn't take my enemies to most of our games, much less my friends, because our level is too embarrassing. I'm sorry, but Rice Athletics is going to have to deal with this fundamental fact. Since graduating 25 years ago, I've always lived in either DFW or Illinois, and I'm pretty sure at least a majority of Rice alumni live outside of Houston. Therefore coming back to campus requires not-insignificant effort and expense for most alumni; heck, even if you live in West U, going to any Rice event is certainly not a given with family obligations, work, etc. - the point is that anyone, local or not, has to make an effort to attend and so has to calculate whether it is worth the while. What has made the cut in my personal calculus has been our Omaha appearances, all our bowl games except Hawaii, and away games at Air Force, Baylor, Oklahoma, Tulsa, Michigan State, Ohio State, Vanderbilt, LSU, Army, Notre Dame, and Texas (multiple times), and that is not even counting "local" (for me) games at places like SMU, TCU, and Northwestern. I planned to go to Stanford last year until they moved it to Thanksgiving, and I'll probably go to Pitt this year. I have come back to Houston to watch us play Navy, Tulsa, UH, and SMU in football (might have come back for Stanford had it not been moved to Sydney), and Baylor at Reckling and the super regional vs. ULL at the Dome. So pretty clearly I am not shy about making the effort.

But I simply am never going to make the effort to come back to Rice to watch us play some generic regular season contest against Directional U, no matter the sport and no matter how nicely we spruce up our facilities, or even how good we happen to be in any given season. You can dismiss this as the rantings of one idiosyncratically elitist alum, or you can look at the actual butts in seats at any of our home CUSA games, even when our record has been good, and draw your own conclusions about what Rice people will make the effort to get to. It is what it is.

The only raise interest/raise revenue tactic that is going to work with Rice people - which, after all, is the constituency Rice Athletics should be focused on courting, not fans of other, closer schools - is giving them meaningful, big-time opponents or the concrete prospect thereof. I see 3 possible paths, all of which would require major leadership and significantly increased investment from the University:

1. Football independence with as many P5 and/or peer-type institutions (the academies, private academic schools) on the schedule as possible.

2. Drop football and emulate the University of Denver approach: pour resources into competing for national championships in all the non-football sports (including adding sports like soccer, lacrosse, hockey).

3. Inspire Rice people to support the currently unpalatable status quo by showing us specifically how, where, and when our support is expected to pay off in the return of meaningful, big-time competition to Rice on a regular basis. Explicitly tell this is what we have to suck it up and live with for a temporary period to try and move up, and be open and proactive about trying to do so.

But in true Rice fashion we are currently employing only the "suck it up and live with it" part.
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We'd like to play better opponents within our region, but they don't want to play us, at least not regularly, and not in Rice Stadium. No P5 conference will touch us, nor will the AAC. My suggestion about forming a new regional conference was made on that premise. You work with what you have, and that's all that Rice has right now. The options aren't great. I can only speak for myself, but I'd gladly trade four direction universities on the east coast for four that are in my backyard. Rice has always relied heavily on the opponent's fans to boost it's attendance. That's the way it's always been since pro football came to Houston and UH started it's program. Like you said, Rice's alums are spread out all over the nation and world. Very few live in Houston, and even fewer care about athletics. There are two or three Sun Belt schools that would travel well to Houston for football, basketball, and baseball. Couple that with no more travel outside of Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi , and you have a much healthier financial situation than you do right now, at the very least. It wouldn't make Rice rich or vault it into a power conference, but it's something that would make things better. It's the only realistic option I can think of right now that could actually be implemented.
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interesting article on the decline of the big 12. No real mention other than slight on realignment.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...RID=490396

But reality is that UT's hubris is going to significantly affect their future. Lots of other big time and major schools (Ohio St, Alabama, etc) are thriving and playing well within their sandbox, by working within the conference structure. The "vision" (I would call it inherent evil) of DeLoss Dodds will ultimately result in a real hit to their prestige.
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Texas has it made. They're so greedy that they'll ruin a good thing for themselves. They rule over their very own regional conference. It's perfect for their student athletes and fans. Someone with some sense needs to take control in Austin. They need to find a way out of the Longhorn Network and then help in creating a B12 Network. The conference will continue to suffer as long as things remain as they are. It's sickening to witness. They've already run off Nebraska and ATM. I'd be hell bent on getting those schools back.
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(05-05-2017 04:07 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  2. Drop football and emulate the University of Denver approach: pour resources into competing for national championships in all the non-football sports (including adding sports like soccer, lacrosse, hockey).



But in true Rice fashion we are currently employing only the "suck it up and live with it" part.

I just did a quick look at Men's Hockey, Lacross and Soccer. I used the latest(last) rankings that I could find. These are a sample of the schools that play the sports:

Hockey:
Ariz State (Independent)
Airforce ranked 12
Cornell ranked 13
Harvard ranked 3
Yale
Notre Dame
Dartmouth
and others

Men's Soccer:
Clemson ranked 1
Stanford Ranked 2
Denver ranked 6
Notre Dame ranked 13
Harvard ranked 22
Dartmouth Ranked 25

Lacross:
Maryland ranked 1
Denver ranked 5
Duke ranked 6
Notre Dame ranked 7
John Hopkins ranked 11
Army ranked 13
Yale ranked 14
Air orce ranked 17


These seem to be sports where Rice would be competing with academic peers who don't seem to have a problem fitting in. It is also interesting that Denver appears twice as a powerhouse in two of the sports.

This is just food for thought.
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Why do you think "resources" would stay flat if we dropped football? We're in Texas not Colorado or the northeast. A University without D1 football is an afterthought and I'm sure our board would take the opportunity to drop athletics funding by 10+ million/year.
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(05-11-2017 10:41 AM)Rice81 Wrote:  
(05-05-2017 04:07 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  2. Drop football and emulate the University of Denver approach: pour resources into competing for national championships in all the non-football sports (including adding sports like soccer, lacrosse, hockey).



But in true Rice fashion we are currently employing only the "suck it up and live with it" part.

I just did a quick look at Men's Hockey, Lacross and Soccer. I used the latest(last) rankings that I could find. These are a sample of the schools that play the sports:

Hockey:
Ariz State (Independent)
Airforce ranked 12
Cornell ranked 13
Harvard ranked 3
Yale
Notre Dame
Dartmouth
and others

Men's Soccer:
Clemson ranked 1
Stanford Ranked 2
Denver ranked 6
Notre Dame ranked 13
Harvard ranked 22
Dartmouth Ranked 25

Lacross:
Maryland ranked 1
Denver ranked 5
Duke ranked 6
Notre Dame ranked 7
John Hopkins ranked 11
Army ranked 13
Yale ranked 14
Air orce ranked 17


These seem to be sports where Rice would be competing with academic peers who don't seem to have a problem fitting in. It is also interesting that Denver appears twice as a powerhouse in two of the sports.

This is just food for thought.

LOL, you missed the biggest one . . . Denver won the national championship in hockey just a couple weeks ago. I think they're either 1st or 2nd all time in hockey national titles.

(05-11-2017 10:50 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  Why do you think "resources" would stay flat if we dropped football? We're in Texas not Colorado or the northeast. A University without D1 football is an afterthought and I'm sure our board would take the opportunity to drop athletics funding by 10+ million/year.

Well, first of all, I would be against the board dropping football if they were just going to pocket the savings. If they were ever to take the drastic step of dropping football, I would hope they would only do so after fully studying and buying into the concept of fielding a comprehensively excellent athletic program that is worthy of one of the country's great universities. Dropping football and trying to make up for that loss of conventional visibility by becoming a powerhouse in a number of less conventionally visible sports would be a huge strategic shift for Rice and I wouldn't think we'd undertake it without full awareness of the resources that would be necessary to achieve that goal.

As far as Rice becoming an afterthought without D1 football, we need to wake up and realize we don't have D1 football anymore anyway and haven't had it for years. CUSA football is the equivalent of the MAC and Sun Belt. It is D1 in name only. An undefeated record in any of these conferences will not get you in the playoff, ever, period. We are in a ghettoized division that does nothing for us publicity or reputation-wise . . . except maybe negatively, seeing as how 75+% of the time we get our name in the sports section during football season it's for playing obscure open-admission schools. Now I would love to see us go the other direction and put forth the herculean effort required to get back to P5 status, but if we're not going to do that, then I fail to see what precious marketing asset we would be giving up by dropping CUSA football - and then on top of that replacing it with top-level competition against mainly peer schools in less conventional but emerging spectator sports.

(05-06-2017 01:37 AM)Ourland Wrote:  We'd like to play better opponents within our region, but they don't want to play us, at least not regularly, and not in Rice Stadium. No P5 conference will touch us, nor will the AAC. My suggestion about forming a new regional conference was made on that premise. You work with what you have, and that's all that Rice has right now. The options aren't great. I can only speak for myself, but I'd gladly trade four direction universities on the east coast for four that are in my backyard. Rice has always relied heavily on the opponent's fans to boost it's attendance. That's the way it's always been since pro football came to Houston and UH started it's program. Like you said, Rice's alums are spread out all over the nation and world. Very few live in Houston, and even fewer care about athletics. There are two or three Sun Belt schools that would travel well to Houston for football, basketball, and baseball. Couple that with no more travel outside of Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi , and you have a much healthier financial situation than you do right now, at the very least. It wouldn't make Rice rich or vault it into a power conference, but it's something that would make things better. It's the only realistic option I can think of right now that could actually be implemented.

The point of Rice Athletics is not - or at any rate, shouldn't be - to sell as many tickets as possible to visiting fans. The point of Rice Athletics is to serve the interests of Rice University by building a sense of community and pride in Rice. Then and only then can it be a positive marketing vehicle for Rice. Currently we stage 4 home football games a year that Rice people by and large don't give a flip about. The answer to that is not to stage 4 home football games a year that Rice people still don't give a flip about but draw a few more fans from the other team. That is functionally no different than just renting out the stadium for HS football games or concerts. The first-priority customers for Rice Athletics should be Rice people. Give those people something they're interested in, first and foremost. Then outside interest will naturally follow.
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(05-11-2017 01:27 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:41 AM)Rice81 Wrote:  
(05-05-2017 04:07 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  2. Drop football and emulate the University of Denver approach: pour resources into competing for national championships in all the non-football sports (including adding sports like soccer, lacrosse, hockey).



But in true Rice fashion we are currently employing only the "suck it up and live with it" part.

I just did a quick look at Men's Hockey, Lacross and Soccer. I used the latest(last) rankings that I could find. These are a sample of the schools that play the sports:

Hockey:
Ariz State (Independent)
Airforce ranked 12
Cornell ranked 13
Harvard ranked 3
Yale
Notre Dame
Dartmouth
and others

Men's Soccer:
Clemson ranked 1
Stanford Ranked 2
Denver ranked 6
Notre Dame ranked 13
Harvard ranked 22
Dartmouth Ranked 25

Lacross:
Maryland ranked 1
Denver ranked 5
Duke ranked 6
Notre Dame ranked 7
John Hopkins ranked 11
Army ranked 13
Yale ranked 14
Air orce ranked 17


These seem to be sports where Rice would be competing with academic peers who don't seem to have a problem fitting in. It is also interesting that Denver appears twice as a powerhouse in two of the sports.

This is just food for thought.

LOL, you missed the biggest one . . . Denver won the national championship in hockey just a couple weeks ago. I think they're either 1st or 2nd all time in hockey national titles.

(05-11-2017 10:50 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  Why do you think "resources" would stay flat if we dropped football? We're in Texas not Colorado or the northeast. A University without D1 football is an afterthought and I'm sure our board would take the opportunity to drop athletics funding by 10+ million/year.

Well, first of all, I would be against the board dropping football if they were just going to pocket the savings. If they were ever to take the drastic step of dropping football, I would hope they would only do so after fully studying and buying into the concept of fielding a comprehensively excellent athletic program that is worthy of one of the country's great universities. Dropping football and trying to make up for that loss of conventional visibility by becoming a powerhouse in a number of less conventionally visible sports would be a huge strategic shift for Rice and I wouldn't think we'd undertake it without full awareness of the resources that would be necessary to achieve that goal.

As far as Rice becoming an afterthought without D1 football, we need to wake up and realize we don't have D1 football anymore anyway and haven't had it for years. CUSA football is the equivalent of the MAC and Sun Belt. It is D1 in name only. An undefeated record in any of these conferences will not get you in the playoff, ever, period. We are in a ghettoized division that does nothing for us publicity or reputation-wise . . . except maybe negatively, seeing as how 75+% of the time we get our name in the sports section during football season it's for playing obscure open-admission schools. Now I would love to see us go the other direction and put forth the herculean effort required to get back to P5 status, but if we're not going to do that, then I fail to see what precious marketing asset we would be giving up by dropping CUSA football - and then on top of that replacing it with top-level competition against mainly peer schools in less conventional but emerging spectator sports.

(05-06-2017 01:37 AM)Ourland Wrote:  We'd like to play better opponents within our region, but they don't want to play us, at least not regularly, and not in Rice Stadium. No P5 conference will touch us, nor will the AAC. My suggestion about forming a new regional conference was made on that premise. You work with what you have, and that's all that Rice has right now. The options aren't great. I can only speak for myself, but I'd gladly trade four direction universities on the east coast for four that are in my backyard. Rice has always relied heavily on the opponent's fans to boost it's attendance. That's the way it's always been since pro football came to Houston and UH started it's program. Like you said, Rice's alums are spread out all over the nation and world. Very few live in Houston, and even fewer care about athletics. There are two or three Sun Belt schools that would travel well to Houston for football, basketball, and baseball. Couple that with no more travel outside of Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi , and you have a much healthier financial situation than you do right now, at the very least. It wouldn't make Rice rich or vault it into a power conference, but it's something that would make things better. It's the only realistic option I can think of right now that could actually be implemented.

The point of Rice Athletics is not - or at any rate, shouldn't be - to sell as many tickets as possible to visiting fans. The point of Rice Athletics is to serve the interests of Rice University by building a sense of community and pride in Rice. Then and only then can it be a positive marketing vehicle for Rice. Currently we stage 4 home football games a year that Rice people by and large don't give a flip about. The answer to that is not to stage 4 home football games a year that Rice people still don't give a flip about but draw a few more fans from the other team. That is functionally no different than just renting out the stadium for HS football games or concerts. The first-priority customers for Rice Athletics should be Rice people. Give those people something they're interested in, first and foremost. Then outside interest will naturally follow.

You are making a lot of sense.

I find it harder every day to drive down to Houston from Dallas to watch Rice play a directional school that will kill us. Going down for a weekend game against the likes of Stanford, Duke, Harvard, Notre Dame, etc., in baseball, Lacrosse, Hockey or soccer is a different proposition especially if we are competitive in that sport.
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(05-11-2017 02:37 PM)Rice81 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 01:27 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 10:41 AM)Rice81 Wrote:  
(05-05-2017 04:07 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  2. Drop football and emulate the University of Denver approach: pour resources into competing for national championships in all the non-football sports (including adding sports like soccer, lacrosse, hockey).



But in true Rice fashion we are currently employing only the "suck it up and live with it" part.

I just did a quick look at Men's Hockey, Lacross and Soccer. I used the latest(last) rankings that I could find. These are a sample of the schools that play the sports:

Hockey:
Ariz State (Independent)
Airforce ranked 12
Cornell ranked 13
Harvard ranked 3
Yale
Notre Dame
Dartmouth
and others

Men's Soccer:
Clemson ranked 1
Stanford Ranked 2
Denver ranked 6
Notre Dame ranked 13
Harvard ranked 22
Dartmouth Ranked 25

Lacross:
Maryland ranked 1
Denver ranked 5
Duke ranked 6
Notre Dame ranked 7
John Hopkins ranked 11
Army ranked 13
Yale ranked 14
Air orce ranked 17


These seem to be sports where Rice would be competing with academic peers who don't seem to have a problem fitting in. It is also interesting that Denver appears twice as a powerhouse in two of the sports.

This is just food for thought.

LOL, you missed the biggest one . . . Denver won the national championship in hockey just a couple weeks ago. I think they're either 1st or 2nd all time in hockey national titles.

(05-11-2017 10:50 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  Why do you think "resources" would stay flat if we dropped football? We're in Texas not Colorado or the northeast. A University without D1 football is an afterthought and I'm sure our board would take the opportunity to drop athletics funding by 10+ million/year.

Well, first of all, I would be against the board dropping football if they were just going to pocket the savings. If they were ever to take the drastic step of dropping football, I would hope they would only do so after fully studying and buying into the concept of fielding a comprehensively excellent athletic program that is worthy of one of the country's great universities. Dropping football and trying to make up for that loss of conventional visibility by becoming a powerhouse in a number of less conventionally visible sports would be a huge strategic shift for Rice and I wouldn't think we'd undertake it without full awareness of the resources that would be necessary to achieve that goal.

As far as Rice becoming an afterthought without D1 football, we need to wake up and realize we don't have D1 football anymore anyway and haven't had it for years. CUSA football is the equivalent of the MAC and Sun Belt. It is D1 in name only. An undefeated record in any of these conferences will not get you in the playoff, ever, period. We are in a ghettoized division that does nothing for us publicity or reputation-wise . . . except maybe negatively, seeing as how 75+% of the time we get our name in the sports section during football season it's for playing obscure open-admission schools. Now I would love to see us go the other direction and put forth the herculean effort required to get back to P5 status, but if we're not going to do that, then I fail to see what precious marketing asset we would be giving up by dropping CUSA football - and then on top of that replacing it with top-level competition against mainly peer schools in less conventional but emerging spectator sports.

(05-06-2017 01:37 AM)Ourland Wrote:  We'd like to play better opponents within our region, but they don't want to play us, at least not regularly, and not in Rice Stadium. No P5 conference will touch us, nor will the AAC. My suggestion about forming a new regional conference was made on that premise. You work with what you have, and that's all that Rice has right now. The options aren't great. I can only speak for myself, but I'd gladly trade four direction universities on the east coast for four that are in my backyard. Rice has always relied heavily on the opponent's fans to boost it's attendance. That's the way it's always been since pro football came to Houston and UH started it's program. Like you said, Rice's alums are spread out all over the nation and world. Very few live in Houston, and even fewer care about athletics. There are two or three Sun Belt schools that would travel well to Houston for football, basketball, and baseball. Couple that with no more travel outside of Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi , and you have a much healthier financial situation than you do right now, at the very least. It wouldn't make Rice rich or vault it into a power conference, but it's something that would make things better. It's the only realistic option I can think of right now that could actually be implemented.

The point of Rice Athletics is not - or at any rate, shouldn't be - to sell as many tickets as possible to visiting fans. The point of Rice Athletics is to serve the interests of Rice University by building a sense of community and pride in Rice. Then and only then can it be a positive marketing vehicle for Rice. Currently we stage 4 home football games a year that Rice people by and large don't give a flip about. The answer to that is not to stage 4 home football games a year that Rice people still don't give a flip about but draw a few more fans from the other team. That is functionally no different than just renting out the stadium for HS football games or concerts. The first-priority customers for Rice Athletics should be Rice people. Give those people something they're interested in, first and foremost. Then outside interest will naturally follow.

You are making a lot of sense.

I find it harder every day to drive down to Houston from Dallas to watch Rice play a directional school that will kill us. Going down for a weekend game against the likes of Stanford, Duke, Harvard, Notre Dame, etc., in baseball, Lacrosse, Hockey or soccer is a different proposition especially if we are competitive in that sport.

I am having a harder time driving the 1.5 miles from my house to Rice Stadium or, sigh, Reckling......
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If I were AD, my goal would be to get the alumni involved. That is a first step to every other goal.
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(05-11-2017 05:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If I were AD, my goal would be to get the alumni involved. That is a first step to every other goal.

You can only get alumni involved after there is success on the field. My father got his PHD at the University of Cincinnati in the 70's and they had not much in the way of sports back then. Decades later, they had Nick Van Exel and a Sweet 16 trip and suddenly we're getting mail asking for donations pointing to that success. Today, Cincinnati is in a much better position than us but it all started with that NCAA trip to the Sweet 16 and sustained success afterwards. We're not going to move the needle on alumni involvement without a similar success.
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(05-11-2017 06:17 PM)owl95 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 05:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If I were AD, my goal would be to get the alumni involved. That is a first step to every other goal.
You can only get alumni involved after there is success on the field. My father got his PHD at the University of Cincinnati in the 70's and they had not much in the way of sports back then. Decades later, they had Nick Van Exel and a Sweet 16 trip and suddenly we're getting mail asking for donations pointing to that success. Today, Cincinnati is in a much better position than us but it all started with that NCAA trip to the Sweet 16 and sustained success afterwards. We're not going to move the needle on alumni involvement without a similar success.

Three former University of Cincinnati basketball players are members of professional sports halls of fame. All preceded your father. Do you know who they are?
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(05-11-2017 08:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 06:17 PM)owl95 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 05:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If I were AD, my goal would be to get the alumni involved. That is a first step to every other goal.
You can only get alumni involved after there is success on the field. My father got his PHD at the University of Cincinnati in the 70's and they had not much in the way of sports back then. Decades later, they had Nick Van Exel and a Sweet 16 trip and suddenly we're getting mail asking for donations pointing to that success. Today, Cincinnati is in a much better position than us but it all started with that NCAA trip to the Sweet 16 and sustained success afterwards. We're not going to move the needle on alumni involvement without a similar success.

Three former University of Cincinnati basketball players are members of professional sports halls of fame. All preceded your father. Do you know who they are?

The Big O, Jack Tywman and.....Sandy Koufax.
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Karlgaard will have little vacation this summer. The Rice athletics program is in trouble...little alumni support (especially from 40 and under alums), disastrous performances by many of our programs (other than tennis, women's BB and our massively depleted men's BB team) and zero excitement for next year, other than watching our ****** excuse of a football team walk into Allianz Stadium in Sydney as a five TD underdog to Stanford. We shall soon see if Karlgaard is cut out to be a D1 athletic director or just a chief money grubber for Stanford.
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(05-11-2017 08:42 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 08:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 06:17 PM)owl95 Wrote:  
(05-11-2017 05:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If I were AD, my goal would be to get the alumni involved. That is a first step to every other goal.
You can only get alumni involved after there is success on the field. My father got his PHD at the University of Cincinnati in the 70's and they had not much in the way of sports back then. Decades later, they had Nick Van Exel and a Sweet 16 trip and suddenly we're getting mail asking for donations pointing to that success. Today, Cincinnati is in a much better position than us but it all started with that NCAA trip to the Sweet 16 and sustained success afterwards. We're not going to move the needle on alumni involvement without a similar success.
Three former University of Cincinnati basketball players are members of professional sports halls of fame. All preceded your father. Do you know who they are?
The Big O, Jack Tywman and.....Sandy Koufax.

Yep, with a typo. It's Twyman, not Tywman.
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(05-11-2017 08:49 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Karlgaard will have little vacation this summer. The Rice athletics program is in trouble...little alumni support (especially from 40 and under alums), disastrous performances by many of our programs (other than tennis, women's BB and our massively depleted men's BB team) and zero excitement for next year, other than watching our ****** excuse of a football team walk into Allianz Stadium in Sydney as a five TD underdog to Stanford. We shall soon see if Karlgaard is cut out to be a D1 athletic director or just a chief money grubber for Stanford.

How is any of that worse than things have been for the last twenty or more years?
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(05-11-2017 08:49 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Karlgaard will have little vacation this summer. The Rice athletics program is in trouble...little alumni support (especially from 40 and under alums), disastrous performances by many of our programs (other than tennis, women's BB and our massively depleted men's BB team) and zero excitement for next year, other than watching our ****** excuse of a football team walk into Allianz Stadium in Sydney as a five TD underdog to Stanford. We shall soon see if Karlgaard is cut out to be a D1 athletic director or just a chief money grubber for Stanford.

How is any of that worse than things have been for the last twenty or more years?

We're getting whipped by teams that didn't exist twenty years ago. That's one way.
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