Finebaum speaks on Rick Neuheisel's XM show

He believes Oklahoma wants to be in the SEC while Texas "believes they're too good to be in the SEC. Frankly, they believe they're too good for college football."

(05-10-2017 12:09 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Finebaum speaks on Rick Neuheisel's XM show

He believes Oklahoma wants to be in the SEC while Texas "believes they're too good to be in the SEC. Frankly, they believe they're too good for college football."

Texas will end up in the ACC.

(05-10-2017 12:14 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:09 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Finebaum speaks on Rick Neuheisel's XM show

He believes Oklahoma wants to be in the SEC while Texas "believes they're too good to be in the SEC. Frankly, they believe they're too good for college football."

Texas will end up in the ACC.

Well that makes sense since North Carolina feels they are too good for college football as well!

I thought about posting this yesterday, but I didn't have a link.

I was listening to Finebaum a little bit yesterday afternoon and he was talking about this with a caller. He said if he had to rank the leagues by which one Texas wanted to go to that he really didn't have any idea which one would be first. He went on to say that Texas needs to make up its mind.

(05-10-2017 12:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I thought about posting this yesterday, but I didn't have a link.

I was listening to Finebaum a little bit yesterday afternoon and he was talking about this with a caller. He said if he had to rank the leagues by which one Texas wanted to go to that he really didn't have any idea which one would be first. He went on to say that Texas needs to make up its mind.

UT is a little different than OU with regards to the SEC. They both have administrations that would favor a more academic move. (Why I don't know since grants and academics have nothing to do with sports affiliations.) The A.D. at OU might lean our way. The A.D. at Texas is undetermined. And both have BMD's who favor the SEC, it's just that Oklahoma probably has more.

Still if OU were to come to the SEC and Texas could wangle a deal to get Tech included where else can they go? A&M, Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, Missouri, possibly Oklahoma State, and Tech could all be right there for their alums dream schedule of home and homes. They would really have to cut their noses off to spite their faces to ignore that! But since it is Texas call the plastic surgeon and stockpile the bandages because they've done that before.

Texas will have the opportunity to play up and down the east coast and the Chicago area and become a true "national" player, which will suit them to a tee.

(05-10-2017 12:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I thought about posting this yesterday, but I didn't have a link.

I was listening to Finebaum a little bit yesterday afternoon and he was talking about this with a caller. He said if he had to rank the leagues by which one Texas wanted to go to that he really didn't have any idea which one would be first. He went on to say that Texas needs to make up its mind.

UT is a little different than OU with regards to the SEC. They both have administrations that would favor a more academic move. (Why I don't know since grants and academics have nothing to do with sports affiliations.) The A.D. at OU might lean our way. The A.D. at Texas is undetermined. And both have BMD's who favor the SEC, it's just that Oklahoma probably has more.

Still if OU were to come to the SEC and Texas could wangle a deal to get Tech included where else can they go? A&M, Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, Missouri, possibly Oklahoma State, and Tech could all be right there for their alums dream schedule of home and homes. They would really have to cut their noses off to spite their faces to ignore that! But since it is Texas call the plastic surgeon and stockpile the bandages because they've done that before.

Perhaps Texas is happy running the Big 12 and being the only school with its own network. Profitability be damned. I suppose it strokes the ego pretty good. Maybe ESPN gave them the deal in an effort to control the situation, but got more than they bargained for.

Dealing with Texas scares me a little bit. I know they would be a boon to the bottom line, but what sort of nonsense are we going to have to deal with in exchange for that? They don't seem to appreciate equal partnership.

(05-10-2017 01:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas will have the opportunity to play up and down the east coast and the Chicago area and become a true "national" player, which will suit them to a tee.

Except that the ACC isn't a national conference.

(05-10-2017 01:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I thought about posting this yesterday, but I didn't have a link.

I was listening to Finebaum a little bit yesterday afternoon and he was talking about this with a caller. He said if he had to rank the leagues by which one Texas wanted to go to that he really didn't have any idea which one would be first. He went on to say that Texas needs to make up its mind.

UT is a little different than OU with regards to the SEC. They both have administrations that would favor a more academic move. (Why I don't know since grants and academics have nothing to do with sports affiliations.) The A.D. at OU might lean our way. The A.D. at Texas is undetermined. And both have BMD's who favor the SEC, it's just that Oklahoma probably has more.

Still if OU were to come to the SEC and Texas could wangle a deal to get Tech included where else can they go? A&M, Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, Missouri, possibly Oklahoma State, and Tech could all be right there for their alums dream schedule of home and homes. They would really have to cut their noses off to spite their faces to ignore that! But since it is Texas call the plastic surgeon and stockpile the bandages because they've done that before.

Perhaps Texas is happy running the Big 12 and being the only school with its own network. Profitability be damned. I suppose it strokes the ego pretty good. Maybe ESPN gave them the deal in an effort to control the situation, but got more than they bargained for.

Dealing with Texas scares me a little bit. I know they would be a boon to the bottom line, but what sort of nonsense are we going to have to deal with in exchange for that? They don't seem to appreciate equal partnership.

Look, I'll be the first to say that Texas is like the histrionic beauty queen of your high school. She's high maintenance, a pain in the rear narcissistic shrew, but being seen with her boosts your value immeasurably with the solid girls who were too sensible to date you before. Even the sensible girls like having what they think the beauty queen wants. In the end being seen with Texas earns you more and attracts other sensible schools. It's just at the reunions the histrionic X beauty queen is the one liable to show up and create an embarrassing scene for everyone there.

The good thing is that not too many pay attention to the tantrums because they have gotten habituated to having to hear them. They let her scream, cuss, and make unreasonable demands and then in the SEC we go on with business as usual.

If we ever get a divorce everyone else will understand and just say to us, "How did you put up with her that long?" So there's an upside. We are big and strong enough to handle it. And if it doesn't work out it won't surprise any of our friends or enemies and won't be held against us.

(05-10-2017 01:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 01:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I thought about posting this yesterday, but I didn't have a link.

I was listening to Finebaum a little bit yesterday afternoon and he was talking about this with a caller. He said if he had to rank the leagues by which one Texas wanted to go to that he really didn't have any idea which one would be first. He went on to say that Texas needs to make up its mind.

UT is a little different than OU with regards to the SEC. They both have administrations that would favor a more academic move. (Why I don't know since grants and academics have nothing to do with sports affiliations.) The A.D. at OU might lean our way. The A.D. at Texas is undetermined. And both have BMD's who favor the SEC, it's just that Oklahoma probably has more.

Still if OU were to come to the SEC and Texas could wangle a deal to get Tech included where else can they go? A&M, Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, Missouri, possibly Oklahoma State, and Tech could all be right there for their alums dream schedule of home and homes. They would really have to cut their noses off to spite their faces to ignore that! But since it is Texas call the plastic surgeon and stockpile the bandages because they've done that before.

Perhaps Texas is happy running the Big 12 and being the only school with its own network. Profitability be damned. I suppose it strokes the ego pretty good. Maybe ESPN gave them the deal in an effort to control the situation, but got more than they bargained for.

Dealing with Texas scares me a little bit. I know they would be a boon to the bottom line, but what sort of nonsense are we going to have to deal with in exchange for that? They don't seem to appreciate equal partnership.

Look, I'll be the first to say that Texas is like the histrionic beauty queen of your high school. She's high maintenance, a pain in the rear narcissistic shrew, but being seen with her boosts your value immeasurably with the solid girls who were too sensible to date you before. Even the sensible girls like having what they think the beauty queen wants. In the end being seen with Texas earns you more and attracts other sensible schools. It's just at the reunions the histrionic X beauty queen is the one liable to show up and create an embarrassing scene for everyone there.

The good thing is that not too many pay attention to the tantrums because they have gotten habituated to having to hear them. They let her scream, cuss, and make unreasonable demands and then in the SEC we go on with business as usual.

If we ever get a divorce everyone else will understand and just say to us, "How did you put up with her that long?" So there's an upside. We are big and strong enough to handle it. And if it doesn't work out it won't surprise any of our friends or enemies and won't be held against us.

True, a divorce wouldn't really hurt us.

We'd just have a little more sympathy for the next victim...I mean suitor.

I think that the SEC should make an offer to both Oklahoma and Texas. But the SEC needs to put a fixed date on their answer. If they refuse. Move on to Kansas and either TCU or Iowa state.

(05-10-2017 03:38 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I think that the SEC should make an offer to both Oklahoma and Texas. But the SEC needs to put a fixed date on their answer. If they refuse. Move on to Kansas and either TCU or Iowa state.

Why Passover steak for refried beans?

(05-10-2017 02:18 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 01:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 01:27 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I thought about posting this yesterday, but I didn't have a link.

I was listening to Finebaum a little bit yesterday afternoon and he was talking about this with a caller. He said if he had to rank the leagues by which one Texas wanted to go to that he really didn't have any idea which one would be first. He went on to say that Texas needs to make up its mind.

UT is a little different than OU with regards to the SEC. They both have administrations that would favor a more academic move. (Why I don't know since grants and academics have nothing to do with sports affiliations.) The A.D. at OU might lean our way. The A.D. at Texas is undetermined. And both have BMD's who favor the SEC, it's just that Oklahoma probably has more.

Still if OU were to come to the SEC and Texas could wangle a deal to get Tech included where else can they go? A&M, Arkansas, L.S.U., Oklahoma, Missouri, possibly Oklahoma State, and Tech could all be right there for their alums dream schedule of home and homes. They would really have to cut their noses off to spite their faces to ignore that! But since it is Texas call the plastic surgeon and stockpile the bandages because they've done that before.

Perhaps Texas is happy running the Big 12 and being the only school with its own network. Profitability be damned. I suppose it strokes the ego pretty good. Maybe ESPN gave them the deal in an effort to control the situation, but got more than they bargained for.

Dealing with Texas scares me a little bit. I know they would be a boon to the bottom line, but what sort of nonsense are we going to have to deal with in exchange for that? They don't seem to appreciate equal partnership.

Look, I'll be the first to say that Texas is like the histrionic beauty queen of your high school. She's high maintenance, a pain in the rear narcissistic shrew, but being seen with her boosts your value immeasurably with the solid girls who were too sensible to date you before. Even the sensible girls like having what they think the beauty queen wants. In the end being seen with Texas earns you more and attracts other sensible schools. It's just at the reunions the histrionic X beauty queen is the one liable to show up and create an embarrassing scene for everyone there.

The good thing is that not too many pay attention to the tantrums because they have gotten habituated to having to hear them. They let her scream, cuss, and make unreasonable demands and then in the SEC we go on with business as usual.

If we ever get a divorce everyone else will understand and just say to us, "How did you put up with her that long?" So there's an upside. We are big and strong enough to handle it. And if it doesn't work out it won't surprise any of our friends or enemies and won't be held against us.

True, a divorce wouldn't really hurt us.

We'd just have a little more sympathy for the next victim...I mean suitor.

Have you considered that Texas is waiting for Oklahoma and Oklahoma State so they have a justification for a move to the SEC. They have too much pride to simply say they were wrong about us. They could say if OU moved first that the loss of too many potential rivals compelled them to make a move they might otherwise not have made. Then either Tech comes with them, or maybe WVU.

BTW: Here's a link from today:
https://www.seccountry.com/sec/oklahoma-...l-finebaum

(05-10-2017 04:09 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:38 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I think that the SEC should make an offer to both Oklahoma and Texas. But the SEC needs to put a fixed date on their answer. If they refuse. Move on to Kansas and either TCU or Iowa state.

Why Passover steak for refried beans?

I don't want to see the SEC get used by either of them to get what they want. Texas probably wants the PAC-12 or some type of deal with the ACC. Texas won't come to the SEC. They are not about to admit that A&M was correct.

(05-10-2017 09:31 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 04:09 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:38 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I think that the SEC should make an offer to both Oklahoma and Texas. But the SEC needs to put a fixed date on their answer. If they refuse. Move on to Kansas and either TCU or Iowa state.

Why Passover steak for refried beans?

I don't want to see the SEC get used by either of them to get what they want. Texas probably wants the PAC-12 or some type of deal with the ACC. Texas won't come to the SEC. They are not about to admit that A&M was correct.

The beauty and importance of this move is that if we have the Sooners, with or without OSU we have all we need to hold Texas as an entire market.

Well alrighty then! Now that #15 and #16 is decided who do you guys think we get for #17 & #18?

(05-10-2017 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well alrighty then! Now that #15 and #16 is decided who do you guys think we get for #17 & #18?

If 15 = OU and 16 = OSU

Then 17 = Texas and 18 = Tech most likely

What's odd is the amount of rumors coming from Finebaum right now. There must be something up to see all this smoke. Hoping for a hidden escape clause

(05-11-2017 12:21 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well alrighty then! Now that #15 and #16 is decided who do you guys think we get for #17 & #18?

If 15 = OU and 16 = OSU

Then 17 = Texas and 18 = Tech most likely

What's odd is the amount of rumors coming from Finebaum right now. There must be something up to see all this smoke. Hoping for a hidden escape clause

We may not need one. FOX and ESPN might place 8. I really do believe that right now opening up contracts with expansion would be key to avoiding a bidding war with Amazon and others in 2023. Renegotiate with the Big 10, PAC, SEC, and at the opening of the ACCN pay each conference more for the rights agreements they have with them now and extend the contract 10 years from the date of the renegotiation. It gives everyone time to get ready for bigger changes, networks included.

Let's say we take Texahoma. I figure the Big 10 takes at least Kansas. The ACC gets N.D., Cincinnati, West Virginia and Connecticut. The only thing is I think Texa-homa may wind up being Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State.

T.C.U. and Texas Tech go PAC for markets and they get paid to take KState. They add a West team (maybe UNLV). With Connecticut off to the ACC the Big 10 gets paid to take Iowa State the way we will get paid to take OSU & possibly Baylor.

FOX pays the PAC and Big 10 to take Kansas State and Iowa State. ESPN pays the SEC to take Baylor and O.S.U.

For the price of carrying two schools each the two networks get the product more cheaply than they would have in 2023. They get the extension they need to transition, there are no GOR's to be dealt with and we wind up with 68 schools in the final P4. And look let's say the SEC and Big 10 payout goes to 50 million each (more like 47 probably) and the ACC and PAC's payouts go to 40 million (more like 37 probably) everyone gets a raise. FOX and ESPN are each paying 35 million for at least 2 lesser brands each in the Big 12 now. Fox pays 2 to 5 million more for Kansas State to go to the PAC. FOX pays 12 to 15 million more for Iowa State to go to the Big 12. ESPN pays 12 to 15 million each for OSU and Baylor to the SEC.
Everybody else deserves the bump for what they bring. The LHN gets rolled into the SEC's new West Division Channel. The current SECN Overflow #1 becomes the Central Division Channel also produced in Texas. Charlotte becomes the SEC East and ACC South production facility and Bristol produces the ACC North and ACC Mid Atlantic.

Whatever ESPN spends is covered by the LHN's demise. FOX gains content and if they feel the deal isn't equitable ESPN leases them overflow games from the ACC & SEC. Everyone wins.

(05-11-2017 12:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:21 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well alrighty then! Now that #15 and #16 is decided who do you guys think we get for #17 & #18?

If 15 = OU and 16 = OSU

Then 17 = Texas and 18 = Tech most likely

What's odd is the amount of rumors coming from Finebaum right now. There must be something up to see all this smoke. Hoping for a hidden escape clause

We may not need one. FOX and ESPN might place 8. I really do believe that right now opening up contracts with expansion would be key to avoiding a bidding war with Amazon and others in 2023. Renegotiate with the Big 10, PAC, SEC, and at the opening of the ACCN pay each conference more for the rights agreements they have with them now and extend the contract 10 years from the date of the renegotiation. It gives everyone time to get ready for bigger changes, networks included.

Let's say we take Texahoma. I figure the Big 10 takes at least Kansas. The ACC gets N.D., Cincinnati, West Virginia and Connecticut. The only thing is I think Texa-homa may wind up being Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State.

T.C.U. and Texas Tech go PAC for markets and they get paid to take KState. They add a West team (maybe UNLV). With Connecticut off to the ACC the Big 10 gets paid to take Iowa State the way we will get paid to take OSU & possibly Baylor.

FOX pays the PAC and Big 10 to take Kansas State and Iowa State. ESPN pays the SEC to take Baylor and O.S.U.

For the price of carrying two schools each the two networks get the product more cheaply than they would have in 2023. They get the extension they need to transition, there are no GOR's to be dealt with and we wind up with 68 schools in the final P4. And look let's say the SEC and Big 10 payout goes to 50 million each (more like 47 probably) and the ACC and PAC's payouts go to 40 million (more like 37 probably) everyone gets a raise. FOX and ESPN are each paying 35 million for at least 2 lesser brands each in the Big 12 now. Fox pays 2 to 5 million more for Kansas State to go to the PAC. FOX pays 12 to 15 million more for Iowa State to go to the Big 12. ESPN pays 12 to 15 million each for OSU and Baylor to the SEC.
Everybody else deserves the bump for what they bring. The LHN gets rolled into the SEC's new West Division Channel. The current SECN Overflow #1 becomes the Central Division Channel also produced in Texas. Charlotte becomes the SEC East and ACC South production facility and Bristol produces the ACC North and ACC Mid Atlantic.

Whatever ESPN spends is covered by the LHN's demise. FOX gains content and if they feel the deal isn't equitable ESPN leases them overflow games from the ACC & SEC. Everyone wins.

I don't see the B12 imploding if Fox is still investing in it after OU moves out. Now what could happen is OU fights it's way out of B12 in court. OU would use Boren's three demands:
1. Conference Network
2. Conference Expansion
3. Conference Championship Game
that weren't meet from last summer as reason to leave as the conference is not maximizing revenue opportunities appropriately. Assuming OU could leave early with just a simple exit fee, whoever gets left behind would best be served rebuilding by adding the best from the MWC and the AAC.

Now the B12 would probably select a team from the list of schools that survived the first round of cuts during their process:
Air Force
BYU
Cincinnati
Colorado State
Houston
Rice
South Florida
SMU
Tulane
UCF
Conn

My guess would be BYU finally plays nice and returns B12 to ten members or possibly 12. Conference drops from 9 to 8 conference games plus the CCG. If the SEC grabs two, Cincinnati, Houston or UConn are probably the favorites unless Fox wants a Florida school .

This could work, but it would be hard with so many moving pieces

(05-11-2017 01:27 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-11-2017 12:21 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well alrighty then! Now that #15 and #16 is decided who do you guys think we get for #17 & #18?

If 15 = OU and 16 = OSU

Then 17 = Texas and 18 = Tech most likely

What's odd is the amount of rumors coming from Finebaum right now. There must be something up to see all this smoke. Hoping for a hidden escape clause

We may not need one. FOX and ESPN might place 8. I really do believe that right now opening up contracts with expansion would be key to avoiding a bidding war with Amazon and others in 2023. Renegotiate with the Big 10, PAC, SEC, and at the opening of the ACCN pay each conference more for the rights agreements they have with them now and extend the contract 10 years from the date of the renegotiation. It gives everyone time to get ready for bigger changes, networks included.

Let's say we take Texahoma. I figure the Big 10 takes at least Kansas. The ACC gets N.D., Cincinnati, West Virginia and Connecticut. The only thing is I think Texa-homa may wind up being Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State.

T.C.U. and Texas Tech go PAC for markets and they get paid to take KState. They add a West team (maybe UNLV). With Connecticut off to the ACC the Big 10 gets paid to take Iowa State the way we will get paid to take OSU & possibly Baylor.

FOX pays the PAC and Big 10 to take Kansas State and Iowa State. ESPN pays the SEC to take Baylor and O.S.U.

For the price of carrying two schools each the two networks get the product more cheaply than they would have in 2023. They get the extension they need to transition, there are no GOR's to be dealt with and we wind up with 68 schools in the final P4. And look let's say the SEC and Big 10 payout goes to 50 million each (more like 47 probably) and the ACC and PAC's payouts go to 40 million (more like 37 probably) everyone gets a raise. FOX and ESPN are each paying 35 million for at least 2 lesser brands each in the Big 12 now. Fox pays 2 to 5 million more for Kansas State to go to the PAC. FOX pays 12 to 15 million more for Iowa State to go to the Big 12. ESPN pays 12 to 15 million each for OSU and Baylor to the SEC.
Everybody else deserves the bump for what they bring. The LHN gets rolled into the SEC's new West Division Channel. The current SECN Overflow #1 becomes the Central Division Channel also produced in Texas. Charlotte becomes the SEC East and ACC South production facility and Bristol produces the ACC North and ACC Mid Atlantic.

Whatever ESPN spends is covered by the LHN's demise. FOX gains content and if they feel the deal isn't equitable ESPN leases them overflow games from the ACC & SEC. Everyone wins.

I don't see the B12 imploding if Fox is still investing in it after OU moves out. Now what could happen is OU fights it's way out of B12 in court. OU would use Boren's three demands:
1. Conference Network
2. Conference Expansion
3. Conference Championship Game
that weren't meet from last summer as reason to leave as the conference is not maximizing revenue opportunities appropriately. Assuming OU could leave early with just a simple exit fee, whoever gets left behind would best be served rebuilding by adding the best from the MWC and the AAC.

Now the B12 would probably select a team from the list of schools that survived the first round of cuts during their process:
Air Force
BYU
Cincinnati
Colorado State
Houston
Rice
South Florida
SMU
Tulane
UCF
Conn

My guess would be BYU finally plays nice and returns B12 to ten members or possibly 12. Conference drops from 9 to 8 conference games plus the CCG. If the SEC grabs two, Cincinnati, Houston or UConn are probably the favorites unless Fox wants a Florida school .

This could work, but it would be hard with so many moving pieces

They'll gut it completely and leave no one behind to collect fees or GOR penalties. There may be a new G5 form but it won't be out of the remnants of the Big 12. I just don't think they can afford to do it any other way. Place them all and there are no lawsuits. It's cheaper in the long run because we are only talking about each network essentially carrying two and then only for a marginal amount over what they are paying them now.

Now if they can cajole the lesser brands in voting for dissolution then we might be looking at something different. But I really don't see much chance of that happening.

If we take the two Oklahomas we wait on Texas. And we take whoever it is that Texas wants to bring from their home state.