Is the first time we play a non-conference "big boy" at home - UCLA. After that? 2022 against Indiana. We'll take what we can get but it is what it is. Looking ahead past this year's non-conference schedule:

2018
@UCLA
Miami, O
Ohio

2019
UCLA
@O State
Miami, O
@Marshall

2020
@Nebraska
Miami, O

2021
@Indiana
@Ohio

2022
Indiana

2023
@Pittsburgh

2024
Pittsburgh
@Boise State

2025
Nebraska
Boise State

Thanks for posting this. I think we also have a road game vs Ohio University in there somewhere.

Fwiw, the 2019 Miami game will be played at Nippert. We worked out a deal with them.

The second Ohio game is in 2021

Thanks guys. I edited the OP.

(05-07-2017 04:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Is the first time we play a non-conference "big boy" at home - UCLA. After that? 2022 against Indiana. We'll take what we can get but it is what it is. Looking ahead past this year's non-conference schedule:

2018
@UCLA
Miami, O
Ohio

2019
UCLA
@O State
Miami, O
@Marshall

2020
@Nebraska
Miami, O

2021
@Indiana
@Ohio

2022
Indiana

2023
@Pittsburgh

2024
Pittsburgh
@Boise State

2025
Nebraska
Boise State

Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

(05-07-2017 09:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

Interesting that even the Boise St. home and home starts on the road. BYU series did as well.

(05-07-2017 09:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

Interesting that even the Boise St. home and home starts on the road. BYU series did as well.

And Nebraska.

It's not just UC. Check out the future schedules of several top G5 teams. You will see the trend. Fans would scream if those good G5 teams agreed to one off road games, but sign these deals then the G5 school can blame the other university for canceling.

I just wonder how many of these deals are signed with the understanding that the return game will never occur.

(05-07-2017 09:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 04:50 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Is the first time we play a non-conference "big boy" at home - UCLA. After that? 2022 against Indiana. We'll take what we can get but it is what it is. Looking ahead past this year's non-conference schedule:

2018
@UCLA
Miami, O
Ohio

2019
UCLA
@O State
Miami, O
@Marshall

2020
@Nebraska
Miami, O

2021
@Indiana
@Ohio

2022
Indiana

2023
@Pittsburgh

2024
Pittsburgh
@Boise State

2025
Nebraska
Boise State

Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

I believe it will. UCLA is playing at Memphis this year.

(05-07-2017 09:38 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

Interesting that even the Boise St. home and home starts on the road. BYU series did as well.

And Nebraska.

It's not just UC. Check out the future schedules of several top G5 teams. You will see the trend. Fans would scream if those good G5 teams agreed to one off road games, but sign these deals then the G5 school can blame the other university for canceling.

I just wonder how many of these deals are signed with the understanding that the return game will never occur.

I can't speak for other G5 programs but has a P5 backed out on the return game at UC other than Buckeye State? Oklahoma, North Carolina State, Miami, FL are recent ones that played return game. I remember Oregon State actually played at UC first and then we played them on the road for the return game. Purdue was similar as well.

(05-08-2017 08:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:38 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

Interesting that even the Boise St. home and home starts on the road. BYU series did as well.

And Nebraska.

It's not just UC. Check out the future schedules of several top G5 teams. You will see the trend. Fans would scream if those good G5 teams agreed to one off road games, but sign these deals then the G5 school can blame the other university for canceling.

I just wonder how many of these deals are signed with the understanding that the return game will never occur.

I can't speak for other G5 programs but has a P5 backed out on the return game at UC other than Buckeye State? Oklahoma, North Carolina State, Miami, FL are recent ones that played return game. I remember Oregon State actually played at UC first and then we played them on the road for the return game. Purdue was similar as well.

Ohio State was the only one. That entire situation was weird though. We were originally supposed to play in 2012 @Ohio State, then 2014 was supposed to be @PBS (I think). The 2012 game got move to 2019 due to our request (Scheduling changes with the imminent collapse of the Big East, and the supposed additions of TCU/SDSU). With the move, Ohio State asked for both to be there and we agreed because of the inconvenience with the original move.

I think I got dates wrong, but I think the story is right.

(05-08-2017 08:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:38 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

Interesting that even the Boise St. home and home starts on the road. BYU series did as well.

And Nebraska.

It's not just UC. Check out the future schedules of several top G5 teams. You will see the trend. Fans would scream if those good G5 teams agreed to one off road games, but sign these deals then the G5 school can blame the other university for canceling.

I just wonder how many of these deals are signed with the understanding that the return game will never occur.

I can't speak for other G5 programs but has a P5 backed out on the return game at UC other than Buckeye State? Oklahoma, North Carolina State, Miami, FL are recent ones that played return game. I remember Oregon State actually played at UC first and then we played them on the road for the return game. Purdue was similar as well.

Miami (FL) would be the only example during the P5 era. San Diego St. did not return a game but that was before the scarlet letter designation. What about the road game in Landover vs VaTech that never got returned? But you do make a good point that UC has not hosted many home-n-home games vs P5 teams since the beginning of our G5 status.

(05-08-2017 09:27 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 08:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:38 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

Interesting that even the Boise St. home and home starts on the road. BYU series did as well.

And Nebraska.

It's not just UC. Check out the future schedules of several top G5 teams. You will see the trend. Fans would scream if those good G5 teams agreed to one off road games, but sign these deals then the G5 school can blame the other university for canceling.

I just wonder how many of these deals are signed with the understanding that the return game will never occur.

I can't speak for other G5 programs but has a P5 backed out on the return game at UC other than Buckeye State? Oklahoma, North Carolina State, Miami, FL are recent ones that played return game. I remember Oregon State actually played at UC first and then we played them on the road for the return game. Purdue was similar as well.

Miami (FL) would be the only example during the P5 era. San Diego St. did not return a game but that was before the scarlet letter designation. What about the road game in Landover vs VaTech that never got returned? But you do make a good point that UC has not hosted many home-n-home games vs P5 teams since the beginning of our G5 status.

Virginia Tech in Landover was a UC home game that UC at some later date agreed to play on a "neutral" site for additional cash compensation as I recall. So there would be no return game in that case.

(05-08-2017 09:27 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 08:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:38 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:16 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Hope the home tilt vs UCLA actually takes place. Too often big name P5 schools agree to a home-n-home as long as the first game is in their stadium. Then they just buy out the return. No need to play a road game against a good G5 school when a very small portion of their TV revenue can make it go away.

Interesting that even the Boise St. home and home starts on the road. BYU series did as well.

And Nebraska.

It's not just UC. Check out the future schedules of several top G5 teams. You will see the trend. Fans would scream if those good G5 teams agreed to one off road games, but sign these deals then the G5 school can blame the other university for canceling.

I just wonder how many of these deals are signed with the understanding that the return game will never occur.

I can't speak for other G5 programs but has a P5 backed out on the return game at UC other than Buckeye State? Oklahoma, North Carolina State, Miami, FL are recent ones that played return game. I remember Oregon State actually played at UC first and then we played them on the road for the return game. Purdue was similar as well.

Miami (FL) would be the only example during the P5 era. San Diego St. did not return a game but that was before the scarlet letter designation. What about the road game in Landover vs VaTech that never got returned? But you do make a good point that UC has not hosted many home-n-home games vs P5 teams since the beginning of our G5 status.

The game in Landover was suppose to be our home game but we sold the rights to it to the Washington Redskins. We were the designated home team so Virginia Tech did not owe us a return game.

I wouldn't be surprised if the UCLA game went on as planned. They play at Memphis this year, Oklahoma next year, Rutgers in 2021, and Michigan in 2022. Based on that, it looks like UCLA is making trips East of the Rockies to expand their recruiting reach and there are few better places to hit than Southwest Ohio.

(05-09-2017 07:29 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if the UCLA game went on as planned. They play at Memphis this year, Oklahoma next year, Rutgers in 2021, and Michigan in 2022. Based on that, it looks like UCLA is making trips East of the Rockies to expand their recruiting reach and there are few better places to hit than Southwest Ohio.

The key, I think, is that UCLA is not a "local" commodity. For their FB team to come out and play in Cincinnati is a form of "breaking in" to the local market and consciousness, not merely in FB but as a whole. So, yeah, I suspect that they WILL play at Nippert.

Ohio State already is a "local" commodity so they have virtually no incentive to play down here. (Especially when they can do things like move their "Spring Game" here from time-to-time.) When they played UC at PBS, they moaned how many tickets they had to leave on the table just because PBS had a smaller capacity than Ohio Stadium. So, I wouldn't expect OSU to ever play us here again. Likewise, Louisville has market penetration here, so I wouldn't expect UL to play at UC (in FB) in the foreseeable future. Ditto with UK.

I'd bet Indiana will because it (a) penetrates the Cincinnati market, and (b) it's an easy travel game for their fans. Ditto with Purdue.

If you want the "Power" conference schools to come in and play at Nippert, you're going to have to ask "What does it do for them?" I think the current series that we have signed is a good sign that the Athletic Department is thinking strategically and adapting to new realities.

(05-09-2017 07:13 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 09:27 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-08-2017 08:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:38 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Interesting that even the Boise St. home and home starts on the road. BYU series did as well.

And Nebraska.

It's not just UC. Check out the future schedules of several top G5 teams. You will see the trend. Fans would scream if those good G5 teams agreed to one off road games, but sign these deals then the G5 school can blame the other university for canceling.

I just wonder how many of these deals are signed with the understanding that the return game will never occur.

I can't speak for other G5 programs but has a P5 backed out on the return game at UC other than Buckeye State? Oklahoma, North Carolina State, Miami, FL are recent ones that played return game. I remember Oregon State actually played at UC first and then we played them on the road for the return game. Purdue was similar as well.

Miami (FL) would be the only example during the P5 era. San Diego St. did not return a game but that was before the scarlet letter designation. What about the road game in Landover vs VaTech that never got returned? But you do make a good point that UC has not hosted many home-n-home games vs P5 teams since the beginning of our G5 status.

The game in Landover was suppose to be our home game but we sold the rights to it to the Washington Redskins. We were the designated home team so Virginia Tech did not owe us a return game.

So you are making the point that UC was paid to have the game not played in Nippert. By the way that game was the return game from when we played in Blacksburg a few years earlier.

(05-09-2017 08:00 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 07:29 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if the UCLA game went on as planned. They play at Memphis this year, Oklahoma next year, Rutgers in 2021, and Michigan in 2022. Based on that, it looks like UCLA is making trips East of the Rockies to expand their recruiting reach and there are few better places to hit than Southwest Ohio.

The key, I think, is that UCLA is not a "local" commodity. For their FB team to come out and play in Cincinnati is a form of "breaking in" to the local market and consciousness, not merely in FB but as a whole. So, yeah, I suspect that they WILL play at Nippert.

Ohio State already is a "local" commodity so they have virtually no incentive to play down here. (Especially when they can do things like move their "Spring Game" here from time-to-time.) When they played UC at PBS, they moaned how many tickets they had to leave on the table just because PBS had a smaller capacity than Ohio Stadium. So, I wouldn't expect OSU to ever play us here again. Likewise, Louisville has market penetration here, so I wouldn't expect UL to play at UC (in FB) in the foreseeable future. Ditto with UK.

I'd bet Indiana will because it (a) penetrates the Cincinnati market, and (b) it's an easy travel game for their fans. Ditto with Purdue.

If you want the "Power" conference schools to come in and play at Nippert, you're going to have to ask "What does it do for them?" I think the current series that we have signed is a good sign that the Athletic Department is thinking strategically and adapting to new realities.

The thing with UofL and UK is that they really don't have any room on their schedule for us for football. Schools are crafting their schedules so that they can maximize their wins OOC to help them with bowl eligibility and seeding. For schools like UK and UofL this means the optimal OOC scheduling is a P5/good G5 school, two winnable mid-major games (middle of the road MAC, Sunbelt and C-USA Schools) and an FCS school.

Seeing that UK and UL play each year as directed by state law, they literally have no open date to play us.

(05-09-2017 08:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 08:00 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-09-2017 07:29 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if the UCLA game went on as planned. They play at Memphis this year, Oklahoma next year, Rutgers in 2021, and Michigan in 2022. Based on that, it looks like UCLA is making trips East of the Rockies to expand their recruiting reach and there are few better places to hit than Southwest Ohio.

The key, I think, is that UCLA is not a "local" commodity. For their FB team to come out and play in Cincinnati is a form of "breaking in" to the local market and consciousness, not merely in FB but as a whole. So, yeah, I suspect that they WILL play at Nippert.

Ohio State already is a "local" commodity so they have virtually no incentive to play down here. (Especially when they can do things like move their "Spring Game" here from time-to-time.) When they played UC at PBS, they moaned how many tickets they had to leave on the table just because PBS had a smaller capacity than Ohio Stadium. So, I wouldn't expect OSU to ever play us here again. Likewise, Louisville has market penetration here, so I wouldn't expect UL to play at UC (in FB) in the foreseeable future. Ditto with UK.

I'd bet Indiana will because it (a) penetrates the Cincinnati market, and (b) it's an easy travel game for their fans. Ditto with Purdue.

If you want the "Power" conference schools to come in and play at Nippert, you're going to have to ask "What does it do for them?" I think the current series that we have signed is a good sign that the Athletic Department is thinking strategically and adapting to new realities.

The thing with UofL and UK is that they really don't have any room on their schedule for us for football. Schools are crafting their schedules so that they can maximize their wins OOC to help them with bowl eligibility and seeding. For schools like UK and UofL this means the optimal OOC scheduling is a P5/good G5 school, two winnable mid-major games (middle of the road MAC, Sunbelt and C-USA Schools) and an FCS school.

Seeing that UK and UL play each year as directed by state law, they literally have no open date to play us.

This is true as well... But even if they had a date open I wouldn't expect a home-and-home from them. Ditto with Michigan and Michigan State (or Boston College or Notre Dame). We might get a one-off "At" game with any of these but I don't expect a return trip from any of those.

Out of our former conference mates, I'd like to see some sort of deal worked out with Rutgers for a home-and-home series.

^^ I agree. There might be a chance in the near future given that Rutgers HC Chris Ash is tight with Fickell and Freeman.

Interesting thread. UCLA probably wouldn't bring many fans from three time zones away for a regular season match-up with a G5. They'll still get to play in front of a full house at Nippert and a national TV audience gaining exposure in our fertile recruiting ground. I believe I read they were number one in undergraduate student applications last year so they are truly a national brand. If the game here doesn't go well for them we won't see them again. If it does, it sets the stage for an interesting add-on series.

The Pac 12 should be pursued aggressively in scheduling by UC given the many issues stated here regarding regional rivals from the ACC, SEC and B10. Road games for UC at most Pac 12 schools provide an exciting new destination for UC fan travel too.