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(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

Even North Texas landed two 2* bigs. I don't know how good they will be, but it's better than not landing any.

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

We probably have a top 3 class next year if you include Mcclinton. We will be fine.

Yeah. I am not at all worried about our class. I am optimistic. But tunnel visioning into the freshman big men that is the hyper focus right now it does seem odd. But yeah, we'll be athletic and long.

(05-02-2017 01:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

We probably have a top 3 class next year if you include Mcclinton. We will be fine.

Even that is questionable without a big man. Just on paper:

WKU 2*,3*, 4*, 5* Big man
UAB 2*, 3.5*, 3* Big man
ODU 3*, 3*, no big men.
Marshall 2*, 2*, 2*, 3* Big man
UTEP 2*, 2*, 2.5*, 2.5* Big man
MTSU 2*, 2*, 2* Big man. If we count McClinton as a 3.3 senior*, then they have Davion Thomas as a 2.5* RS Freshman.

Our class is good, but just incomplete compared to our peers.

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

I know its a dead horse, but I really think it has everything to do with our coach. He just isn't a great recruiter.

(05-02-2017 01:25 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

I know its a dead horse, but I really think it has everything to do with our coach. He just isn't a great recruiter.

That's what we are afraid of.

(05-02-2017 10:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  how is rolling the dice on a transfer different than rolling the dice on a freshman big?

For one thing, there are a whole lot more high schools to recruit those big men from than there are transfers from colleges. More supply to choose from. With proper recruiting, you should be getting at least one of the guys you were going after at the high school level.

Secondly, if the coaching staff is willing to put in the time, they can build a relationship with the high school players they are wanting to recruit well before they have to make their decisions on where they will go.

Lastly, as someone has stated on here earlier, you have a chance to get someone like a Frank Hassell, Chris Cooper, or even a David Robinson that can come in and develop to the extent that if they had gone to another school and were to transfer as a senior then ODU would not likely be their choice to transfer to because the power 5 conference schools would be looking to get them. Our chances of getting a stellar inside player are better getting at least a regular diet of high school recruits then they are going the transfer route.

Our best chance at getting the great transfer are simply if they have a relative on the coaching staff (Stiths) or are looking to be close to home for one reason or another (Freeman, Painter).

(05-02-2017 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  how is rolling the dice on a transfer different than rolling the dice on a freshman big?

For one thing, there are a whole lot more high schools to recruit those big men from than there are transfers from colleges. More supply to choose from. With proper recruiting, you should be getting at least one of the guys you were going after at the high school level.

Secondly, if the coaching staff is willing to put in the time, they can build a relationship with the high school players they are wanting to recruit well before they have to make their decisions on where they will go.

Lastly, as someone has stated on here earlier, you have a chance to get someone like a Frank Hassell, Chris Cooper, or even a David Robinson that can come in and develop to the extent that if they had gone to another school and were to transfer as a senior then ODU would not likely be their choice to transfer to because the power 5 conference schools would be looking to get them. Our chances of getting a stellar inside player are better getting at least a regular diet of high school recruits then they are going the transfer route.

Our best chance at getting the great transfer are simply if they have a relative on the coaching staff (Stiths) or are looking to be close to home for one reason or another (Freeman, Painter).

What about Porter or Arledge?

(05-02-2017 01:22 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

We probably have a top 3 class next year if you include Mcclinton. We will be fine.

Even that is questionable without a big man. Just on paper:

WKU 2*,3*, 4*, 5* Big man
UAB 2*, 3.5*, 3* Big man
ODU 3*, 3*, no big men.
Marshall 2*, 2*, 2*, 3* Big man
UTEP 2*, 2*, 2.5*, 2.5* Big man
MTSU 2*, 2*, 2* Big man. If we count McClinton as a 3.3 senior*, then they have Davion Thomas as a 2.5* RS Freshman.

Our class is good, but just incomplete compared to our peers.

Outside of Robinson, care to speculate how many will end up better than Stith or Porter?

(05-02-2017 01:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  how is rolling the dice on a transfer different than rolling the dice on a freshman big?

For one thing, there are a whole lot more high schools to recruit those big men from than there are transfers from colleges. More supply to choose from. With proper recruiting, you should be getting at least one of the guys you were going after at the high school level.

Secondly, if the coaching staff is willing to put in the time, they can build a relationship with the high school players they are wanting to recruit well before they have to make their decisions on where they will go.

Lastly, as someone has stated on here earlier, you have a chance to get someone like a Frank Hassell, Chris Cooper, or even a David Robinson that can come in and develop to the extent that if they had gone to another school and were to transfer as a senior then ODU would not likely be their choice to transfer to because the power 5 conference schools would be looking to get them. Our chances of getting a stellar inside player are better getting at least a regular diet of high school recruits then they are going the transfer route.

Our best chance at getting the great transfer are simply if they have a relative on the coaching staff (Stiths) or are looking to be close to home for one reason or another (Freeman, Painter).

What about Porter or Arledge?

Nice players, but aren't on the level of Laughton, Lee, or Hassell. And the proof is in the lack of NCAA bids.

(05-02-2017 01:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:22 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

We probably have a top 3 class next year if you include Mcclinton. We will be fine.

Even that is questionable without a big man. Just on paper:

WKU 2*,3*, 4*, 5* Big man
UAB 2*, 3.5*, 3* Big man
ODU 3*, 3*, no big men.
Marshall 2*, 2*, 2*, 3* Big man
UTEP 2*, 2*, 2.5*, 2.5* Big man
MTSU 2*, 2*, 2* Big man. If we count McClinton as a 3.3 senior*, then they have Davion Thomas as a 2.5* RS Freshman.

Our class is good, but just incomplete compared to our peers.

Outside of Robinson, care to speculate how many will end up better than Stith or Porter?

Give them 4 years, probable half of them at least.

We won't have any for 4 years.

(05-02-2017 01:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

We probably have a top 3 class next year if you include Mcclinton. We will be fine.

What is your definition of 'fine' in the context of how you just stated it?

What results do you expect ODU to have this coming season when it is all said and done?

Just curious to see where your mind is on this as far as the big picture (end result) is concerned.

(05-02-2017 01:33 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  how is rolling the dice on a transfer different than rolling the dice on a freshman big?

For one thing, there are a whole lot more high schools to recruit those big men from than there are transfers from colleges. More supply to choose from. With proper recruiting, you should be getting at least one of the guys you were going after at the high school level.

Secondly, if the coaching staff is willing to put in the time, they can build a relationship with the high school players they are wanting to recruit well before they have to make their decisions on where they will go.

Lastly, as someone has stated on here earlier, you have a chance to get someone like a Frank Hassell, Chris Cooper, or even a David Robinson that can come in and develop to the extent that if they had gone to another school and were to transfer as a senior then ODU would not likely be their choice to transfer to because the power 5 conference schools would be looking to get them. Our chances of getting a stellar inside player are better getting at least a regular diet of high school recruits then they are going the transfer route.

Our best chance at getting the great transfer are simply if they have a relative on the coaching staff (Stiths) or are looking to be close to home for one reason or another (Freeman, Painter).

What about Porter or Arledge?

Nice players, but aren't on the level of Laughton, Lee, or Hassell. And the proof is in the lack of NCAA bids.

Porter is a soph. How would we know? Hassell really didnt do much until his senior year so it may be a stretch to say hes significantly better than Porter.

(05-02-2017 01:36 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

We probably have a top 3 class next year if you include Mcclinton. We will be fine.

What is your definition of 'fine' in the context of how you just stated it?

What results do you expect ODU to have this coming season when it is all said and done?

Just curious to see where your mind is on this as far as the big picture (end result) is concerned.

top 75. Top 2-3 in conference

(05-02-2017 01:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:33 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  how is rolling the dice on a transfer different than rolling the dice on a freshman big?

For one thing, there are a whole lot more high schools to recruit those big men from than there are transfers from colleges. More supply to choose from. With proper recruiting, you should be getting at least one of the guys you were going after at the high school level.

Secondly, if the coaching staff is willing to put in the time, they can build a relationship with the high school players they are wanting to recruit well before they have to make their decisions on where they will go.

Lastly, as someone has stated on here earlier, you have a chance to get someone like a Frank Hassell, Chris Cooper, or even a David Robinson that can come in and develop to the extent that if they had gone to another school and were to transfer as a senior then ODU would not likely be their choice to transfer to because the power 5 conference schools would be looking to get them. Our chances of getting a stellar inside player are better getting at least a regular diet of high school recruits then they are going the transfer route.

Our best chance at getting the great transfer are simply if they have a relative on the coaching staff (Stiths) or are looking to be close to home for one reason or another (Freeman, Painter).

What about Porter or Arledge?

Nice players, but aren't on the level of Laughton, Lee, or Hassell. And the proof is in the lack of NCAA bids.

Porter is a soph. How would we know? Hassell really didnt do much until his senior year so it may be a stretch to say hes significantly better than Porter.

Hassell had a very good Junior year as well, though he was second fiddle to Lee.

Porter is good and may even become great. He'd better because he is all they we will have after this season unless we land a monster freshman next year.

(05-02-2017 01:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:36 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

We probably have a top 3 class next year if you include Mcclinton. We will be fine.

What is your definition of 'fine' in the context of how you just stated it?

What results do you expect ODU to have this coming season when it is all said and done?

Just curious to see where your mind is on this as far as the big picture (end result) is concerned.

top 75. Top 2-3 in conference

And in the conference tournament?

Any post season?

What you have described thus far is basically more of the same?

(05-02-2017 01:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:33 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  how is rolling the dice on a transfer different than rolling the dice on a freshman big?

For one thing, there are a whole lot more high schools to recruit those big men from than there are transfers from colleges. More supply to choose from. With proper recruiting, you should be getting at least one of the guys you were going after at the high school level.

Secondly, if the coaching staff is willing to put in the time, they can build a relationship with the high school players they are wanting to recruit well before they have to make their decisions on where they will go.

Lastly, as someone has stated on here earlier, you have a chance to get someone like a Frank Hassell, Chris Cooper, or even a David Robinson that can come in and develop to the extent that if they had gone to another school and were to transfer as a senior then ODU would not likely be their choice to transfer to because the power 5 conference schools would be looking to get them. Our chances of getting a stellar inside player are better getting at least a regular diet of high school recruits then they are going the transfer route.

Our best chance at getting the great transfer are simply if they have a relative on the coaching staff (Stiths) or are looking to be close to home for one reason or another (Freeman, Painter).

What about Porter or Arledge?

Nice players, but aren't on the level of Laughton, Lee, or Hassell. And the proof is in the lack of NCAA bids.

Porter is a soph. How would we know? Hassell really didnt do much until his senior year so it may be a stretch to say hes significantly better than Porter.

Not to mention that Hassell as a senior had Carter beside him and Chris Cooper to spell him off the bench. What will Porter have?

(05-02-2017 01:51 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:36 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:05 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It is kind of perplexing when you compare us to what other schools are landing.

We probably have a top 3 class next year if you include Mcclinton. We will be fine.

What is your definition of 'fine' in the context of how you just stated it?

What results do you expect ODU to have this coming season when it is all said and done?

Just curious to see where your mind is on this as far as the big picture (end result) is concerned.

top 75. Top 2-3 in conference

And in the conference tournament?

Any post season?

What you have described thus far is basically more of the same?

Predicting how a team will do over the course of a season is reasonable. predicting what they will do over the course of a weekend is really unpredictable.

(05-02-2017 01:55 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:33 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  For one thing, there are a whole lot more high schools to recruit those big men from than there are transfers from colleges. More supply to choose from. With proper recruiting, you should be getting at least one of the guys you were going after at the high school level.

Secondly, if the coaching staff is willing to put in the time, they can build a relationship with the high school players they are wanting to recruit well before they have to make their decisions on where they will go.

Lastly, as someone has stated on here earlier, you have a chance to get someone like a Frank Hassell, Chris Cooper, or even a David Robinson that can come in and develop to the extent that if they had gone to another school and were to transfer as a senior then ODU would not likely be their choice to transfer to because the power 5 conference schools would be looking to get them. Our chances of getting a stellar inside player are better getting at least a regular diet of high school recruits then they are going the transfer route.

Our best chance at getting the great transfer are simply if they have a relative on the coaching staff (Stiths) or are looking to be close to home for one reason or another (Freeman, Painter).

What about Porter or Arledge?

Nice players, but aren't on the level of Laughton, Lee, or Hassell. And the proof is in the lack of NCAA bids.

Porter is a soph. How would we know? Hassell really didnt do much until his senior year so it may be a stretch to say hes significantly better than Porter.

Not to mention that Hassell as a senior had Carter beside him and Chris Cooper to spell him off the bench. What will Porter have?

We have a year and a half to find out.

(05-02-2017 01:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:55 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:33 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 01:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  What about Porter or Arledge?

Nice players, but aren't on the level of Laughton, Lee, or Hassell. And the proof is in the lack of NCAA bids.

Porter is a soph. How would we know? Hassell really didnt do much until his senior year so it may be a stretch to say hes significantly better than Porter.

Not to mention that Hassell as a senior had Carter beside him and Chris Cooper to spell him off the bench. What will Porter have?

We have a year and a half to find out.

It looks like we are down to a year now. Not very optimistic.