(04-19-2017 12:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Disinformation

And imagine the amount of fuel consumption, wear and tear on equipment and waste of manpower that it had on the North Koreans, Russians, and Chinese as they frantically searched around the oceans for the Vinson Battlegroup.

(04-19-2017 01:05 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 01:03 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 01:01 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Disinformation

Exactly.

Why people actually expect to be told EVERYTHING is beyond comprehension.

We can't even trust them to put out the right inauguration day numbers so crazy that we would expect them to tell the truth about this.

Why do you even want to know the truth about military maneuvers? I for one want to know nothing about that stuff. Hell, if I know, them I'm pretty sure the enemy knows as well. Makes no damn sense.

My concern is whether or not they know the truth about military maneuvers.

Just be on the same page here. At least if you are going to lie to the American people then coordinate the lie.

(04-19-2017 02:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Disinformation

And imagine the amount of fuel consumption, wear and tear on equipment and waste of manpower that it had on the North Koreans, Russians, and Chinese as they frantically searched around the oceans for the Vinson Battlegroup.

Chinese and Russians have RORSATS which tell them exactly where the CBG is. What the NORKs Chinese and Russians were looking for were Japanese and US ships armed with Anti Ballistic Missiles that were in the Sea of Japan. They wanted to obtain Electronic Intelligence of any missile intercept attempt.

Our supposed Commander In Chief has basically ceded all authority directly to the military commanders. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing because he's a totally incompetent president. However, there's a reason the military is supposed to be run at the highest level by civilians or folks who have been away from the military longer than Mattis.

But if he's going to run it this way, he needs to shut the hell up about what he thinks is going on. You don't say an "armada" is going somewhere it isn't. You don't talk publicly about submarines either.

In addition to pissing off the South Koreans and likely the Japanese among others, we also have around 28,000 American troops there who also need assurances as to what the hell is going on. Hopefully we didn't lead them astray as well and they were briefed to some extent on what was happening.

There is basically no way to analyze this other than a giant screw up by this incompetent administration. Attempts to paint this as some ingeniously planned disinformation campaign are ludicrous.

The way the right wing posters here are defending this debacle is pathetic.

Can you imagine the collective outrage from them if this was occurring under Obama or Hillary?

Are folks still upset the boat isn't going directly to NK?

(04-20-2017 10:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Are folks still upset the boat isn't going directly to NK?

Where the boat is, was, and is going is not the real issue here. It's the lack of a coherent message from the administration that's the issue.

(04-20-2017 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Our supposed Commander In Chief has basically ceded all authority directly to the military commanders. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing because he's a totally incompetent president. However, there's a reason the military is supposed to be run at the highest level by civilians or folks who have been away from the military longer than Mattis.

But if he's going to run it this way, he needs to shut the hell up about what he thinks is going on. You don't say an "armada" is going somewhere it isn't. You don't talk publicly about submarines either.

In addition to pissing off the South Koreans and likely the Japanese among others, we also have around 28,000 American troops there who also need assurances as to what the hell is going on. Hopefully we didn't lead them astray as well and they were briefed to some extent on what was happening.

There is basically no way to analyze this other than a giant screw up by this incompetent administration. Attempts to paint this as some ingeniously planned disinformation campaign are ludicrous.

The way the right wing posters here are defending this debacle is pathetic.

Can you imagine the collective outrage from them if this was occurring under Obama or Hillary?

so your whole point is to say exactly where the ships are heading and let our enemies know that? got it! why do you hate American service members?

(04-20-2017 10:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Are folks still upset the boat isn't going directly to NK?

You are deliberately being obtuse. You know full well that no one is upset about whether or not the boat actually went there.

The issue here is the shear incompetence of this administration or at the very least, the willingness to lie to our faces.

(04-20-2017 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 10:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Are folks still upset the boat isn't going directly to NK?

You are deliberately being obtuse. You know full well that no one is upset about whether or not the boat actually went there.

The issue here is the shear incompetence of this administration or at the very least, the willingness to lie to our faces.

Quote:“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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The official word from the White House was quite specific: the USS Carl Vinson carrier strike group was steaming toward the Korean peninsula last week to send a message to Kim Jong-un that any North Korean nuclear tests would be met with American military aggression. The news about the aircraft carrier, with its express purpose of intimidating North Korea, was incontrovertible — at least according to President Donald Trump, his national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, his Secretary of Defense, Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis and, naturally, his press secretary, Sean Spicer.

Before Kim Jong-un’s failed missile test last Sunday, and while the communist dictator observed the April 15 national holiday commemorating his grandfather, the Navy released a photo of the Carl Vinson traveling between the islands of Sumatra and Java, which, according to an atlas, are located about 3,500 miles south of where Trump and his brain-trust said the ships were supposed to be.


Linky

Oh, the humanity.

(04-20-2017 10:31 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Our supposed Commander In Chief has basically ceded all authority directly to the military commanders. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing because he's a totally incompetent president. However, there's a reason the military is supposed to be run at the highest level by civilians or folks who have been away from the military longer than Mattis.

But if he's going to run it this way, he needs to shut the hell up about what he thinks is going on. You don't say an "armada" is going somewhere it isn't. You don't talk publicly about submarines either.

In addition to pissing off the South Koreans and likely the Japanese among others, we also have around 28,000 American troops there who also need assurances as to what the hell is going on. Hopefully we didn't lead them astray as well and they were briefed to some extent on what was happening.

There is basically no way to analyze this other than a giant screw up by this incompetent administration. Attempts to paint this as some ingeniously planned disinformation campaign are ludicrous.

The way the right wing posters here are defending this debacle is pathetic.

Can you imagine the collective outrage from them if this was occurring under Obama or Hillary?

so your whole point is to say exactly where the ships are heading and let our enemies know that? got it! why do you hate American service members?

Nope. Try again.

(04-20-2017 11:22 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Oh, the humanity.

I see you've forgotten the majority of the rights reaction to anything the Obama administration did already. Bless your heart.

If the Libturds were around when we were fighting WWII they'd be upset because the military wouldn't tell them where the D-Day landing was going to occur and when. Or that the decoy jeeps and trucks on the British mainland that were meant to bamboozle the Germans weren't really real machines.

Fit, as well as RightwingCommie ,we don't tell you how to teach. Don't try to tell the military how to keep us safe. First of all you've never even worn the uniform of a serviceman and JROTC doesn't count.

Nobody cares about this. The average person doesn't have training on "fleet in being" but most inherently understand it anyway.

It's just the daily made up hysteronics and pearl clutching.

(04-20-2017 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 10:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Are folks still upset the boat isn't going directly to NK?

You are deliberately being obtuse. You know full well that no one is upset about whether or not the boat actually went there.

The issue here is the shear incompetence of this administration or at the very least, the willingness to lie to our faces.

You don't need to know all the details. He said the boat is going there, it will go there. This is just making a mountain out of a molehill, IMO.

(04-21-2017 08:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 10:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Are folks still upset the boat isn't going directly to NK?

You are deliberately being obtuse. You know full well that no one is upset about whether or not the boat actually went there.

The issue here is the shear incompetence of this administration or at the very least, the willingness to lie to our faces.

You don't need to know all the details. He said the boat is going there, it will go there. This is just making a mountain out of a molehill, IMO.

No.

Saying you are going to send an Armada and sending nothing is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Have we found Admiral Waldo yet?

(04-21-2017 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 10:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Are folks still upset the boat isn't going directly to NK?

You are deliberately being obtuse. You know full well that no one is upset about whether or not the boat actually went there.

The issue here is the shear incompetence of this administration or at the very least, the willingness to lie to our faces.

You don't need to know all the details. He said the boat is going there, it will go there. This is just making a mountain out of a molehill, IMO.

No.

Saying you are going to send an Armada and sending nothing is making a mountain out of a molehill.

You could send an "Armada" of submarines.. Make a visual inspection of the submarine bases at San Diego, Bangor, Pearl Harbor and Guam and you might see only 7 or 8 subs in port. Where are the others??? You dont know.