(03-23-2017 05:48 AM)MU42 Wrote:  So CUSA loses coaches to the A10 now.

Well, at least in this case we can use the excuse of local and school connections. But, yeah, I see your point.

I like Mike Rhoades, and was pulling for him to turn Rice into a consistent mbb winner.

Now I hope only that he fails abysmally. VCU sucks.

(03-23-2017 05:48 AM)MU42 Wrote:  So CUSA loses coaches to the A10 now.

The A-10 is head and shoulders above CUSA but besides that fact, VCU has a strong basketball program currently while and or historically RIce does not...What can Rice match VCU in terms of basketball history and current? This was Rice's best season in years, they have not made the NCAA tournament since the 1970, not sure how anyone can be surprised by this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_Owls_...basketball

(03-23-2017 05:48 AM)MU42 Wrote:  So CUSA loses coaches to the A10 now.

To a conference that has put multiple teams in the tournament for 10 straight years? Yeah.

To a conference that has more tv exposure? Yeah.

To a top 8 conference? Yeah.

A10 is the best conference that isn't considered one of the elites in the public eye.

It's be foolish not to leave for the a10 unless you were coaching st a top cusa school and leaving for a bottom a10 school.

(03-23-2017 07:47 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 05:48 AM)MU42 Wrote:  So CUSA loses coaches to the A10 now.

To a conference that has put multiple teams in the tournament for 10 straight years? Yeah.

To a conference that has more tv exposure? Yeah.

To a top 8 conference? Yeah.

A10 is the best conference that isn't considered one of the elites in the public eye.

It's be foolish not to leave for the a10 unless you were coaching st a top cusa school and leaving for a bottom a10 school.

Yup... Rumor has it that's Rhoades also had an offer from Dusquene and UMass before he accepted the VCU job... Don't think he would've left for Dusquene, maybe UMass.

This was one of Rice's best seasons in years (23 wins). VCU hasn't won that few in 12 years. Over that time, their average record has been 26.4-9.1. It includes 4 regular season titles, 4 tournament titles, 9 NCAA appearances (including an active streak of 7 straight), and a Final Four. They have 100 straight home sellouts and, along with Kansas, are one of two teams to have an active streak of 11+ seasons winning 24 or more games. They haven't had a losing season in 20 years.

I love Rice, but VCU is a move up for pretty much any mid-major coach. They're right there at the top with Gonzaga, Wichita State and a few others of existing in the middle-ground between "power" team and "mid-major" team. It's hard to argue with their results.

(03-22-2017 04:15 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Any other schools besides utep and usm who don't want their coaches and want rice to take him off their hands? FIU? FAU?

To be fair, we've offered Bailliff to our friends and neighbors in similar situations...

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(03-23-2017 09:46 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 07:47 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 05:48 AM)MU42 Wrote:  So CUSA loses coaches to the A10 now.

To a conference that has put multiple teams in the tournament for 10 straight years? Yeah.

To a conference that has more tv exposure? Yeah.

To a top 8 conference? Yeah.

A10 is the best conference that isn't considered one of the elites in the public eye.

It's be foolish not to leave for the a10 unless you were coaching st a top cusa school and leaving for a bottom a10 school.

Yup... Rumor has it that's Rhoades also had an offer from Dusquene and UMass before he accepted the VCU job... Don't think he would've left for Dusquene, maybe UMass.

I'd be insulted if he left Rice for Duquesne, because that's a lateral move, and unless you really like french fries and cole slaw on your sandwiches, the only think Duquesne has over Rice is conference affiliation. UMass at least has tradition and has shown the ability to be good in a good conference in the recent past.

(03-23-2017 01:02 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:46 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 07:47 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 05:48 AM)MU42 Wrote:  So CUSA loses coaches to the A10 now.

To a conference that has put multiple teams in the tournament for 10 straight years? Yeah.

To a conference that has more tv exposure? Yeah.

To a top 8 conference? Yeah.

A10 is the best conference that isn't considered one of the elites in the public eye.

It's be foolish not to leave for the a10 unless you were coaching st a top cusa school and leaving for a bottom a10 school.

Yup... Rumor has it that's Rhoades also had an offer from Dusquene and UMass before he accepted the VCU job... Don't think he would've left for Dusquene, maybe UMass.

I'd be insulted if he left Rice for Duquesne, because that's a lateral move, and unless you really like french fries and cole slaw on your sandwiches, the only think Duquesne has over Rice is conference affiliation. UMass at least has tradition and has shown the ability to be good in a good conference in the recent past.

I went to Duquesne years and years ago for a Rice-Duquesne game. I can't believe I missed out on that opportunity to eat there. And I was young enough back then to handle a sandwich like that without suffering an immediate coronary.

(03-23-2017 06:19 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I like Mike Rhoades, and was pulling for him to turn Rice into a consistent mbb winner.

Now I hope only that he fails abysmally. VCU sucks.

Sorry, but I wish him success. Rhoades is a class guy. He revived Rice basketball and set the bar for Bailiff's woeful football program. I hope we have some VCU buyout money left to make a big football hire in December.

Evans will follow Rhoades to VCU...

Real shame.Stinks.

Poor kid. I almost feel sorry for him.

With the departure of Rhoades, Rice has now lost 6 of the best 7 players from last years team and graduated 1 senior. He poached the best player in the conference.

In the years Rhoades was at Rice 13 out of the 20 kids he recruited transferred. 2 more transferred when he signed on. 4 walkons were on the roster and left. And he signed 0 kids for next season's class before leaving.

NCAA basketball really sucks these days.

RIce also lost Letcher-Ellis to NEvada and Egor to Florida.... I thought the main reason you promoted your assistant under Rhoades to HC was to maintain some of the existing players on the roster? What happened to that idea? Players seemed truly excited when he was named HC, then they all left, doesn't make any sense...Reminds me when our football program elevated Brohm to HC after Petrino left, players were thrilled but only difference was all of our key guys returned...

(04-19-2017 06:49 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  RIce also lost Letcher-Ellis to NEvada and Egor to Florida.... I thought the main reason you promoted your assistant under Rhoades to HC was to maintain some of the existing players on the roster? What happened to that idea? Players seemed truly excited when he was named HC, then they all left, doesn't make any sense...Reminds me when our football program elevated Brohm to HC after Petrino left, players were thrilled but only difference was all of our key guys returned...

At least Ako stayed. He should be really good for them.

(04-19-2017 06:49 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  RIce also lost Letcher-Ellis to NEvada and Egor to Florida.... I thought the main reason you promoted your assistant under Rhoades to HC was to maintain some of the existing players on the roster? What happened to that idea? Players seemed truly excited when he was named HC, then they all left, doesn't make any sense...Reminds me when our football program elevated Brohm to HC after Petrino left, players were thrilled but only difference was all of our key guys returned...

Correct, Evans to VCU. Egor to Florida (he graduated). Jackson to UCSB (he graduated). Quez to Nevada. Douglas to JUCO probably. Lott to Howard for non-basketball reasons.

I still think Pera can turn out to be a good hire and the guys really were excited he was promoted. Evans was considering leaving before Rhoades left. Egor and Jackson were also already gone (Jackson wanted to be back in California and Egor wanted a bigger program or to go pro). The other 3 are puzzling and I think once they saw the top 3 guys leave decided to pull the trigger and make what appear to be poor decisions.

So that's 7 scholarship spots open
-We signed 1 kid from Missouri, no big offers but we were on him for awhile
-3 star from NJ with several nice offers
-Grad transfer from Penn who didn't contribute much there
-Grad transfer from Pepperdine and Oregon who's been hurt for the last 2 years. Originally a 3 star.

3 spots left

This is basically a death penalty for Rice basketball. It'll likely be 5+ years before they'll be over .500 again in C-USA and there is no guarantee they'll ever see the success of this past season again. Rhoades created a perfect storm and assembled arguably the most talented team the program has ever had. None of the players were committed to Rice and/or Pera and that's apparent now. I'm not implying Rhoades did Rice wrong. I'm just saying it's a really unfortunate situation that is multiplied by the fact that Rice is a tough university for an athlete to qualify for.

Saying all that I don't think Rice cares. They have a healthy athletic department that doesn't need basketball to be at a championship competing level. That's the problem with many programs in this conference. They have no incentive to be competitive.

(04-19-2017 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote:  This is basically a death penalty for Rice basketball. It'll likely be 5+ years before they'll be over .500 again in C-USA and there is no guarantee they'll ever see the success of this past season again. Rhoades created a perfect storm and assembled arguably the most talented team the program has ever had. None of the players were committed to Rice and/or Pera and that's apparent now. I'm not implying Rhoades did Rice wrong. I'm just saying it's a really unfortunate situation that is multiplied by the fact that Rice is a tough university for an athlete to qualify for.

Saying all that I don't think Rice cares. They have a healthy athletic department that doesn't need basketball to be at a championship competing level. That's the problem with many programs in this conference. They have no incentive to be competitive.

What are you talking about? 5+ year before we're over .500 again? Our six (or seven if Lott stays) remaining scholarship players were generally highly rated coming out of high school and Pera has four signees (with more likely coming). I bet we go something like 14-18 next year and continue to go up from there.

And Rice definitely has an incentive to be good in basketball, especially with a flagging football and baseball program.

(04-19-2017 04:33 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 02:22 PM)BlazerGold09 Wrote:  This is basically a death penalty for Rice basketball. It'll likely be 5+ years before they'll be over .500 again in C-USA and there is no guarantee they'll ever see the success of this past season again. Rhoades created a perfect storm and assembled arguably the most talented team the program has ever had. None of the players were committed to Rice and/or Pera and that's apparent now. I'm not implying Rhoades did Rice wrong. I'm just saying it's a really unfortunate situation that is multiplied by the fact that Rice is a tough university for an athlete to qualify for.

Saying all that I don't think Rice cares. They have a healthy athletic department that doesn't need basketball to be at a championship competing level. That's the problem with many programs in this conference. They have no incentive to be competitive.

What are you talking about? 5+ year before we're over .500 again? Our six (or seven if Lott stays) remaining scholarship players were generally highly rated coming out of high school and Pera has four signees (with more likely coming). I bet we go something like 14-18 next year and continue to go up from there.

And Rice definitely has an incentive to be good in basketball, especially with a flagging football and baseball program.

Listen I pom pom for Rice as hard as any. It took a collection of high major type players for Rhoades to win 11 conference games. As you said the 6 or 7 left aren't too bad. But now depth is going to be an issue for the next 3-4 years and the chances a Marcus Evans or a MLE coming through the door aren't very likely.