A certain amount of unpredictability is a virtue in foreign policy. When one’s adversaries—and perhaps one’s allies—don’t know precisely what a country will do, it gives that country a little extra power in the relationship. Like all virtues, it turns into a vice when used in excess. Donald Trump, Fred Kaplan recently argued, offers an extreme test of Richard Nixon’s “madman theory,” the Vietnam-era approach of letting enemies think Nixon might really be insane and do anything.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internationa...er/523458/


Nafarious or just stupid?

lol...Fake news. There is no inconsistency. The Navy didn't say the ship was in N Korean waters or that it was even heading that way. It simply said it had been "ordered north as a prudent measure". It did not say when the ships were to execute the order or when they would arrive. It appears that they were ordered to proceed northward once their current exercise was competed. There isn't much to this story except the reporters made major assumptions without knowing all the facts. My guess is the completion date of the exercise was also probably available in the public record. Did the reporter ask about that? Wouldn't that be a reasonable part of the job before writing the article? Journalism is dead.


On April 9, as tension between the U.S. and North Korea over missile tests rose, the U.S. announced it was dispatching the USS Carl Vinson, an aircraft carrier, and its retinue, toward the Korean peninsula. “U.S. Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific,” a Navy spokesman said at the time.

It should be noted that the two bolded phrases don't necessarily really mean the same thing. One is the reporters view of what it means---the other is a quote from the US Navy.

Covered this yesterday everyone either attacked the source or said it wasn't a big deal http://csnbbs.com/thread-815792.html

(04-19-2017 10:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol...Fake news. There is no inconsistency. The Navy didn't say the ship was in N Korean waters or that it was even heading that way. It simply said it had been "ordered north as a prudent measure". It did not say when the ships were to execute the order or when they would arrive. It appears that they were ordered to proceed northward once their current exercise was competed. There isn't much to this story except the reporters made major assumptions without knowing all the facts. My guess is the completion date of the exercise was also probably available in the public record. Did the reporter ask about that? Wouldn't that be a reasonable part of the job before writing the article? Journalism is dead.


On April 9, as tension between the U.S. and North Korea over missile tests rose, the U.S. announced it was dispatching the USS Carl Vinson, an aircraft carrier, and its retinue, toward the Korean peninsula. “U.S. Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific,” a Navy spokesman said at the time.

It should be noted that the two bolded phrases don't necessarily really mean the same thing. One is the reporters view of what it means---one is a quote from the US Navy.

Incorrect. The Defense Secretary specifically said that the reason it was made public in the first place was because the air craft carrier had in fact changed course and would not participate in the exercises in Australia.

Liberals today would complain about Operation Bodyguard.

Are Leftists that hate Trump suggesting that the USA lost or can't find an Aircraft Carrier, really?
Hey Fit you loving the increased orders relative to deportations? LOL

so an aircraft carrier is nowhere to be found?

(04-19-2017 11:09 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  so an aircraft carrier is nowhere to be found?

I bet they've lost a shitton of submarines too. They underwater and stuff. Hope it doesn't run into Guam and tip that sucker over.

Bwahahahaha

(04-19-2017 11:16 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 11:09 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  so an aircraft carrier is nowhere to be found?

I bet they've lost a shitton of submarines too. They underwater and stuff. Hope it doesn't run into Guam and tip that sucker over.

Bwahahahaha

What about airplanes??? I mean, once they go into the clouds... they are lost right?

Just because the common folk don't know the whereabouts of an aircraft carrier doesn't mean the military doesn't know. Jeepers, you Libturds can't be this dumb…or are you. It's not like us misplacing our glasses, remote, or cell phone.

You think it was hiding under the Golden Gate Bridge? No one would see a 100,000 ton mobile airfield there for sure.

(04-19-2017 11:08 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Are Leftists that hate Trump suggesting that the USA lost or can't find an Aircraft Carrier, really?
Hey Fit you loving the increased orders relative to deportations? LOL

Actually no. What they are doing is trying to shame the administration into admitting that they were lying all along.

If they keep saying that he lost the ship, they might come out and admit that they were simply misleading the public.

(04-19-2017 11:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 11:08 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Are Leftists that hate Trump suggesting that the USA lost or can't find an Aircraft Carrier, really?
Hey Fit you loving the increased orders relative to deportations? LOL

Actually no. What they are doing is trying to shame the administration into admitting that they were lying all along.

If they keep saying that he lost the ship, they might come out and admit that they were simply misleading the public.

There's just some stuff, particularly military stuff, the public simply does not need to know.

(04-19-2017 12:00 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 11:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 11:08 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Are Leftists that hate Trump suggesting that the USA lost or can't find an Aircraft Carrier, really?
Hey Fit you loving the increased orders relative to deportations? LOL

Actually no. What they are doing is trying to shame the administration into admitting that they were lying all along.

If they keep saying that he lost the ship, they might come out and admit that they were simply misleading the public.

There's just some stuff, particularly military stuff, the public simply does not need to know.

The public doesn't need to know I agree. They however offered the information after they said that they wouldn't tip their hand.

That is what set off this chain of events. They were asked why were they letting the public know that we were sending a strike team to Korea if the administration said they wouldn't tip their hand.

Their response was that they had to go public because there were questions about why the strike team left the area. It never happened.

So what happened. The only explanation was that they lost the ship or they lied.

We all know what really happened.

Disinformation

(04-19-2017 01:01 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Disinformation

Exactly.

Why people actually expect to be told EVERYTHING is beyond comprehension.

We can't even trust them to put out the right inauguration day numbers so crazy that we would expect them to tell the truth about this.

(04-19-2017 01:03 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 01:01 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Disinformation

Exactly.

Why people actually expect to be told EVERYTHING is beyond comprehension.

We can't even trust them to put out the right inauguration day numbers so crazy that we would expect them to tell the truth about this.

Why do you even want to know the truth about military maneuvers? I for one want to know nothing about that stuff. Hell, if I know, them I'm pretty sure the enemy knows as well. Makes no damn sense.

(04-19-2017 01:05 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 01:03 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 01:01 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Disinformation

Exactly.

Why people actually expect to be told EVERYTHING is beyond comprehension.

We can't even trust them to put out the right inauguration day numbers so crazy that we would expect them to tell the truth about this.

Why do you even want to know the truth about military maneuvers? I for one want to know nothing about that stuff. Hell, if I know, them I'm pretty sure the enemy knows as well. Makes no damn sense.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/19/world....html?_r=0 well for one I would like to keep good relations with the south Koreans

(04-19-2017 01:12 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 01:05 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 01:03 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 01:01 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Disinformation

Exactly.

Why people actually expect to be told EVERYTHING is beyond comprehension.

We can't even trust them to put out the right inauguration day numbers so crazy that we would expect them to tell the truth about this.

Why do you even want to know the truth about military maneuvers? I for one want to know nothing about that stuff. Hell, if I know, them I'm pretty sure the enemy knows as well. Makes no damn sense.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/19/world....html?_r=0 well for one I would like to keep good relations with the south Koreans

In the big picture, I'm pretty sure the SKoreans will let it go. I imagine the ship will head to Korea.

Carl Vinson finished the exercises with the Aussies first. All the Navy did was cancel the port call.

Now they can complete their weekly Flight Qualls and be ready once they enter the Sea of Japan.