(04-14-2017 08:24 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 08:15 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 08:07 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 07:59 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 07:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I accept nothing without proof....lol.
No matter what people tell me..that's the rule.

I don't have the time or energy to produce the proof. But I go with my gut and I think 1016 is dead on right

It appears people would rather believe Tubby's an unethical man and did Keelon wrong. But the fact that Keelon used his kids to get himself a job apparently is totally ethical. One side has maintained a dignified silence while the other side has said contradictory things and in general made asses of themselves.

please

nobody believes Tubby's an unethical man

has nothing to do with what happened

Not true.
Quite a few here actually do believe that

link?

I think there are people who think Tubby is mildly incompetent but unethical? I've seen nothing from anyone saying that sort of thing about Tubby; in fact I e seen just the opposite.

There are folks that basically claimed that he got a large fat contract and is using this as a means to retire.
There are folks that claim that he is planning for Saul to take over and is grooming him to be our head coach when he retires.
There are folks that have cursed him plenty claiming he spends most of his time in the golf course instead of trying to build a program.
And there's plenty more...

These are not the traits of a mildly incompetent coach. If folks just believed he was mildly incompetent, there wouldn't be as many questions about his character.

If you haven't read all the crap that some folks have spouted over the past year, then you will believe what you wanna believe.

1016 is right. Though no one has come out and said "Tubby is unethical", all of the claims certainly insinuate that he is lacking ethics in dealing with the fans, boosters, and administration.

I've read pretty much everything that's been written. Unethical behavior would entail cheating or extortion or lying; not simply playing too much golf, being lazy with last years recruiting, or putting Saul at the third assistants position. If anything, moving Lawson to DBO instead of rolling over and letting him remain as third assistant was nepotism/ incompetence/ stubbornness more than being unethical.

Sorry, I just don't see where people are accusing him of that. A lot of unflattering things have been said but not unethical.

Tubby unethical? No way! I believe him to be "ethical" all way around. Good in my book...

Unethical would not be a word that jumps out to describe Tubby. If people were trying to point us in that direction with their posts, I didn't go there.

In fact, he's been described as so ethical that it hurts recruiting. lol

I most certainly would not call it unethical but I am one of those who believes Tubby's number 1 incentive of leaving TT and coming to Memphis is 1. to be able to give Saul an assistant position that TT would not allow, and 2. he hopes that Saul can prove himself over the 5 year contract to be worthy to inherit the program when he retires. I also firmly believe that Tubby is one of those parents that cannot see fault in their children and considers Saul to be much better at coaching than he really is. According to a long time beat writer that has covered Tubby for many, many years, Tubby calls Saul a basketball savant.

If true, I would call that blinded by loyalty to family. It's pretty common.

(04-15-2017 06:33 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I most certainly would not call it unethical but I am one of those who believes Tubby's number 1 incentive of leaving TT and coming to Memphis is 1. to be able to give Saul an assistant position that TT would not allow, and 2. he hopes that Saul can prove himself over the 5 year contract to be worthy to inherit the program when he retires. I also firmly believe that Tubby is one of those parents that cannot see fault in their children and considers Saul to be much better at coaching than he really is. According to a long time beat writer that has covered Tubby for many, many years, Tubby calls Saul a basketball savant.

Hit the nail on the head!!

(04-15-2017 06:02 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I've read pretty much everything that's been written. Unethical behavior would entail cheating or extortion or lying; not simply playing too much golf, being lazy with last years recruiting, or putting Saul at the third assistants position. If anything, moving Lawson to DBO instead of rolling over and letting him remain as third assistant was nepotism/ incompetence/ stubbornness more than being unethical.

Sorry, I just don't see where people are accusing him of that. A lot of unflattering things have been said but not unethical.

We agree to disagree on the definition then

(04-15-2017 09:35 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 06:02 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I've read pretty much everything that's been written. Unethical behavior would entail cheating or extortion or lying; not simply playing too much golf, being lazy with last years recruiting, or putting Saul at the third assistants position. If anything, moving Lawson to DBO instead of rolling over and letting him remain as third assistant was nepotism/ incompetence/ stubbornness more than being unethical.

Sorry, I just don't see where people are accusing him of that. A lot of unflattering things have been said but not unethical.

We agree to disagree on the definition then

No matter how thin you slice a loaf of bread there are always two sides.

I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

Just because they didn't sign great players doesn't mean they didn't try.

Just like Pastner didn't try to coach, he tried real hard, he's just not very good at it.

(04-15-2017 11:46 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

Just because they didn't sign great players doesn't mean they didn't try.

Just like Pastner didn't try to coach, he tried real hard, he's just not very good at it.

lol. Pastner tried hard at everything. Rumor has it that this staff, with the exception of Joe Esposito, doesn't even break a sweat.

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

Did any coach get paid 3 mill not to make the NIT? I don't go in for stats , but that question does jump out.

(04-15-2017 11:56 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

Did any coach get paid 3 mill not to make the NIT? I don't go in for stats , but that question does jump out.

You don't really understand how the whole pay thing works I don't think.