Quote:WASHINGTON - President Donald Trump privately signed a bill on Thursday that allows states to withhold federal money from organizations that provide abortion services, including Planned Parenthood, a group frequently targeted by Republicans.

The bill, which the usually camera-friendly President signed without any media present, reverses an Obama-era regulation that prohibited states from withholding money from facilities that perform abortions, arguing that many of these facilities also provide other family planning and medical services.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/polit...c_breaking

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and for all of those 'but my pap smears' can just ignore that all it would take is a simple commercial segregation between the activities to keep SOME portion of the funding not dedicated to abortions. That's the game planned parenthood plays... and to some degree the right also uses it against them... talking about 'government dollars'. PP uses the insurance fees from ALL medical services to justify large solicitation expenses (relative to funds raised) for 'controversial' services.... otherwise they'd be one of the least efficient charities in the country.

Terrible. Just what we need is more kids flooding social services. Morons.

(04-13-2017 02:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Terrible. Just what we need is more kids flooding social services. Morons.

So, you admit that they are using tax payer funding for abortions then.

(04-13-2017 02:11 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  and for all of those 'but my pap smears' can just ignore that all it would take is a simple commercial segregation between the activities to keep SOME portion of the funding not dedicated to abortions. That's the game planned parenthood plays... and to some degree the right also uses it against them... talking about 'government dollars'. PP uses the insurance fees from ALL medical services to justify large solicitation expenses (relative to funds raised) for 'controversial' services.... otherwise they'd be one of the least efficient charities in the country.

I thought there was already a law in place the prevents PP from using federal funds for abortions.

(04-13-2017 02:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 02:11 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  and for all of those 'but my pap smears' can just ignore that all it would take is a simple commercial segregation between the activities to keep SOME portion of the funding not dedicated to abortions. That's the game planned parenthood plays... and to some degree the right also uses it against them... talking about 'government dollars'. PP uses the insurance fees from ALL medical services to justify large solicitation expenses (relative to funds raised) for 'controversial' services.... otherwise they'd be one of the least efficient charities in the country.

I thought there was already a law in place the prevents PP from using federal funds for abortions.

Then you need to explain to Mach how reducing federal funding will lead to less abortions. I notice how he has skipped town on this now.

That should be "anti-abortion".

I'll never agree with legislating anything beyond what has already been determined by the courts on this issue....

if planned parenthood is affected, then so be it.....I hardly think that was the intent....

#trimmingfat

If abortion is legal, why is taxpayer funding for it any different than any other medical procedure? Republicans are wrong on this issue and wrong to undermine the rule of law. This is one of a million examples of why we need a Bismarck model healthcare system asap. The religious angle to the opposition to abortion is even more absurd. It's ironic that many Republicans are terrified of Sharia law, yet allow their Christian beliefs to influence things like this.

(04-13-2017 05:42 PM)Rob Wrote:  If abortion is legal, why is taxpayer funding for it any different than any other medical procedure? Republicans are wrong on this issue and wrong to undermine the rule of law. This is one of a million examples of why we need a Bismarck model healthcare system asap. The religious angle to the opposition to abortion is even more absurd. It's ironic that many Republicans are terrified of Sharia law, yet allow their Christian beliefs to influence things like this.

So peoples deeply held religious convictions, protected by the Constitution I might add are absurd. OK. Got anymore knuckle dragging you'd like to do today?

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Quote:WASHINGTON - President Donald Trump privately signed a bill on Thursday that allows states to withhold federal money from organizations that provide abortion services, including Planned Parenthood, a group frequently targeted by Republicans.


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So, if the states that do allow abortion money to go to PP will/can still provide that money to them? Edumacate me.

(04-13-2017 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:42 PM)Rob Wrote:  If abortion is legal, why is taxpayer funding for it any different than any other medical procedure? Republicans are wrong on this issue and wrong to undermine the rule of law. This is one of a million examples of why we need a Bismarck model healthcare system asap. The religious angle to the opposition to abortion is even more absurd. It's ironic that many Republicans are terrified of Sharia law, yet allow their Christian beliefs to influence things like this.

So peoples deeply held religious convictions, protected by the Constitution I might add are absurd. OK. Got anymore knuckle dragging you'd like to do today?

he's right on this in scope....

No he's not. The absurdity is letting women murder their own babies.

(04-13-2017 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:42 PM)Rob Wrote:  If abortion is legal, why is taxpayer funding for it any different than any other medical procedure? Republicans are wrong on this issue and wrong to undermine the rule of law. This is one of a million examples of why we need a Bismarck model healthcare system asap. The religious angle to the opposition to abortion is even more absurd. It's ironic that many Republicans are terrified of Sharia law, yet allow their Christian beliefs to influence things like this.

So peoples deeply held religious convictions, protected by the Constitution I might add are absurd. OK. Got anymore knuckle dragging you'd like to do today?

You are allowed to believe what you want. No one is forcing you to abort pregnancies but religious beliefs are not to be a basis for law. You can argue with Jefferson if you don't agree.

(04-13-2017 06:03 PM)Paul M Wrote:  No he's not. The absurdity is letting women murder their own babies.

I'm pro-choice within the context of the law.....that's good enough for me as an atheist and someone that believes in population controls where they need be....

whether you believe the same is why it's always a 50/50 split.......

"Watson, I've discovered a clue.........."

I'm happy to hear this. It's common sense.

(04-13-2017 06:11 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:42 PM)Rob Wrote:  If abortion is legal, why is taxpayer funding for it any different than any other medical procedure? Republicans are wrong on this issue and wrong to undermine the rule of law. This is one of a million examples of why we need a Bismarck model healthcare system asap. The religious angle to the opposition to abortion is even more absurd. It's ironic that many Republicans are terrified of Sharia law, yet allow their Christian beliefs to influence things like this.

So peoples deeply held religious convictions, protected by the Constitution I might add are absurd. OK. Got anymore knuckle dragging you'd like to do today?

You are allowed to believe what you want. No one is forcing you to abort pregnancies but religious beliefs are not to be a basis for law. You can argue with Jefferson if you don't agree.

The Constitution is the law and it protects religion. If the Constitution triggers you too, to bad.

(04-13-2017 06:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 06:11 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:42 PM)Rob Wrote:  If abortion is legal, why is taxpayer funding for it any different than any other medical procedure? Republicans are wrong on this issue and wrong to undermine the rule of law. This is one of a million examples of why we need a Bismarck model healthcare system asap. The religious angle to the opposition to abortion is even more absurd. It's ironic that many Republicans are terrified of Sharia law, yet allow their Christian beliefs to influence things like this.

So peoples deeply held religious convictions, protected by the Constitution I might add are absurd. OK. Got anymore knuckle dragging you'd like to do today?

You are allowed to believe what you want. No one is forcing you to abort pregnancies but religious beliefs are not to be a basis for law. You can argue with Jefferson if you don't agree.

The Constitution is the law and it protects religion. If the Constitution triggers you too, to bad.

Can you read?

(04-13-2017 05:42 PM)Rob Wrote:  If abortion is legal, why is taxpayer funding for it any different than any other medical procedure? Republicans are wrong on this issue and wrong to undermine the rule of law. This is one of a million examples of why we need a Bismarck model healthcare system asap. The religious angle to the opposition to abortion is even more absurd. It's ironic that many Republicans are terrified of Sharia law, yet allow their Christian beliefs to influence things like this.

what the **** are you talking about? why should taxpayer money fund any medical procedure?

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(04-13-2017 09:54 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:42 PM)Rob Wrote:  If abortion is legal, why is taxpayer funding for it any different than any other medical procedure? Republicans are wrong on this issue and wrong to undermine the rule of law. This is one of a million examples of why we need a Bismarck model healthcare system asap. The religious angle to the opposition to abortion is even more absurd. It's ironic that many Republicans are terrified of Sharia law, yet allow their Christian beliefs to influence things like this.

what the **** are you talking about? why should taxpayer money fund any medical procedure?

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About 25% of our budget goes towards health care. As a nation, we've decided, for better or worse, that at least some health care is something we should pay for with our tax $. It's a wildly inefficient system that needs to be destroyed and replaced but it's what we have. I don't think cherry picking abortion is productive, especially at the expense of PP as a whole, which does a lot of good. I'm not arguing for our system; my preference is a Bismarck model system, but as long as we've got this I think we need to protect PP. If Republicans want abortion to go away so badly, try overturning the law. They know that's not possible, which is why they sweep the leg of funding any chance they get. The law already says that PP can't use federal funding for abortion so I don't get what the fuss is about, anyway.