(04-01-2017 07:47 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 10:08 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 11:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NDSU's beat Writer mentioned that if Wichita State was to leave the Valley he expects they would call UTA as a potential replacement.

Not sure that move happens because UTA would have to admit they don't plan on starting football.

I think that is throwing darts on a map. No real increase in value, travel costs near the same, no natural rivals and in the end, without WSU, the MVC is a lower RPI league than the SBC is.

uta has nothing in common and no history with the movalley schools without wichita state. we do have a long history with most of the western sbc schools. If the belt keeps improving and doesnt add any cheesy schools, it remains the best option for us. If the school makes the decision that there will never be a restart of football, I would think that we would shoot for aac membership. they are going to eventually lose houston and maybe cincy and louisville and will need to backfill for basketball and the other sports. with 41,000 students this year and well over 200,000 alumni and an administration focused on attaining tier one status, I dont see us being very excited about an alignment with any of the schools usually mentioned as sbc adds.

Has there ever been a public university of that size in NCAA Division 1 history without football?

(04-01-2017 12:51 PM)theothermav Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 07:47 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 10:08 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 11:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NDSU's beat Writer mentioned that if Wichita State was to leave the Valley he expects they would call UTA as a potential replacement.

Not sure that move happens because UTA would have to admit they don't plan on starting football.

I think that is throwing darts on a map. No real increase in value, travel costs near the same, no natural rivals and in the end, without WSU, the MVC is a lower RPI league than the SBC is.

uta has nothing in common and no history with the movalley schools without wichita state. we do have a long history with most of the western sbc schools. If the belt keeps improving and doesnt add any cheesy schools, it remains the best option for us. If the school makes the decision that there will never be a restart of football, I would think that we would shoot for aac membership. they are going to eventually lose houston and maybe cincy and louisville and will need to backfill for basketball and the other sports. with 41,000 students this year and well over 200,000 alumni and an administration focused on attaining tier one status, I dont see us being very excited about an alignment with any of the schools usually mentioned as sbc adds.

Has there ever been a public university of that size in NCAA Division 1 history without football?

Cal State Northridge comes close. But I think y'all are it.

(04-01-2017 01:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Cal State Northridge comes close. But I think y'all are it.

Cal State Fullerton.

(04-01-2017 12:51 PM)theothermav Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 07:47 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 10:08 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 11:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NDSU's beat Writer mentioned that if Wichita State was to leave the Valley he expects they would call UTA as a potential replacement.

Not sure that move happens because UTA would have to admit they don't plan on starting football.

I think that is throwing darts on a map. No real increase in value, travel costs near the same, no natural rivals and in the end, without WSU, the MVC is a lower RPI league than the SBC is.

uta has nothing in common and no history with the movalley schools without wichita state. we do have a long history with most of the western sbc schools. If the belt keeps improving and doesnt add any cheesy schools, it remains the best option for us. If the school makes the decision that there will never be a restart of football, I would think that we would shoot for aac membership. they are going to eventually lose houston and maybe cincy and louisville and will need to backfill for basketball and the other sports. with 41,000 students this year and well over 200,000 alumni and an administration focused on attaining tier one status, I dont see us being very excited about an alignment with any of the schools usually mentioned as sbc adds.

Has there ever been a public university of that size in NCAA Division 1 history without football?

It's only a guess but the FU's and ucf and sofla kinda came out of nowhere with football teams and 40-50,000 students. they may gotten to be pretty large before they started football

Yes, I know UCF was rather large.

(04-01-2017 07:47 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 10:08 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 11:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NDSU's beat Writer mentioned that if Wichita State was to leave the Valley he expects they would call UTA as a potential replacement.

Not sure that move happens because UTA would have to admit they don't plan on starting football.

I think that is throwing darts on a map. No real increase in value, travel costs near the same, no natural rivals and in the end, without WSU, the MVC is a lower RPI league than the SBC is.

uta has nothing in common and no history with the movalley schools without wichita state. we do have a long history with most of the western sbc schools. If the belt keeps improving and doesnt add any cheesy schools, it remains the best option for us. If the school makes the decision that there will never be a restart of football, I would think that we would shoot for aac membership. they are going to eventually lose houston and maybe cincy and louisville and will need to backfill for basketball and the other sports. with 41,000 students this year and well over 200,000 alumni and an administration focused on attaining tier one status, I dont see us being very excited about an alignment with any of the schools usually mentioned as sbc adds.

Ummm....what? Louisville has been in the ACC since 2014. They announced they were leaving the Big East in 2012, and were only (one season) briefly in the renamed AAC.

(04-03-2017 01:22 PM)thelateshow Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 07:47 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 10:08 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 11:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NDSU's beat Writer mentioned that if Wichita State was to leave the Valley he expects they would call UTA as a potential replacement.

Not sure that move happens because UTA would have to admit they don't plan on starting football.

I think that is throwing darts on a map. No real increase in value, travel costs near the same, no natural rivals and in the end, without WSU, the MVC is a lower RPI league than the SBC is.

uta has nothing in common and no history with the movalley schools without wichita state. we do have a long history with most of the western sbc schools. If the belt keeps improving and doesnt add any cheesy schools, it remains the best option for us. If the school makes the decision that there will never be a restart of football, I would think that we would shoot for aac membership. they are going to eventually lose houston and maybe cincy and louisville and will need to backfill for basketball and the other sports. with 41,000 students this year and well over 200,000 alumni and an administration focused on attaining tier one status, I dont see us being very excited about an alignment with any of the schools usually mentioned as sbc adds.

Ummm....what? Louisville has been in the ACC since 2014. They announced they were leaving the Big East in 2012, and were only (one season) briefly in the renamed AAC.

well I thought they were mentioned back when everyone was in a panic for B12 expansion.

(03-31-2017 11:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NDSU's beat Writer mentioned that if Wichita State was to leave the Valley he expects they would call UTA as a potential replacement.

Not sure that move happens because UTA would have to admit they don't plan on starting football.

From the beat writer: The word out there is the Valley will consider adding Belmont in Nashville, Tenn., Valparaiso and Texas-Arlington. That doesn't exactly look sexy on the top line of a league website.

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4240837-ko...Qe.twitter

(04-03-2017 03:29 PM)theothermav Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 11:20 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NDSU's beat Writer mentioned that if Wichita State was to leave the Valley he expects they would call UTA as a potential replacement.

Not sure that move happens because UTA would have to admit they don't plan on starting football.

From the beat writer: The word out there is the Valley will consider adding Belmont in Nashville, Tenn., Valparaiso and Texas-Arlington. That doesn't exactly look sexy on the top line of a league website.

http://www.inforum.com/sports/4240837-ko...Qe.twitter

Arlington is too far.

Yea, once again, I just don't see the value for UTA in moving without Wichita State and Creighton, back in the day.

(04-01-2017 03:45 PM)theothermav Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 03:45 PM)runamuck Wrote:  Has there ever been a public university of that size in NCAA Division 1 history without football?

It's only a guess but the FU's and ucf and sofla kinda came out of nowhere with football teams and 40-50,000 students. they may gotten to be pretty large before they started football

(04-02-2017 09:22 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Yes, I know UCF was rather large.

UCF started D3 football in 1979. Back then we were the Florida Tech Citronauts (see my Avatar) and only had about 12k students. We didn't get over 40k enrollment until the early 2000s

Our FBS success probably seemed to come out of nowhere to a lot of people, but we've got history with some Sun Belt programs. We beat defending D2 national champ Troy in 1988. Then we were part of the Sun Belt - American South Conference merger in the early 90s.

(04-04-2017 11:05 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 03:45 PM)theothermav Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 03:45 PM)runamuck Wrote:  Has there ever been a public university of that size in NCAA Division 1 history without football?

It's only a guess but the FU's and ucf and sofla kinda came out of nowhere with football teams and 40-50,000 students. they may gotten to be pretty large before they started football

(04-02-2017 09:22 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Yes, I know UCF was rather large.

UCF started D3 football in 1979. Back then we were the Florida Tech Citronauts (see my Avatar) and only had about 12k students. We didn't get over 40k enrollment until the early 2000s

Our FBS success probably seemed to come out of nowhere to a lot of people, but we've got history with some Sun Belt programs. We beat defending D2 national champ Troy in 1988. Then we were part of the Sun Belt - American South Conference merger in the early 90s.

Don't forget that you played us for the better part of a decade

I'm sorry but the Citronauts have to be the greatest mascot of all time. Easily better than 98% of the mascots out there. It's pure genius! Why your PTB would trade a moniker like Florida Tech and a hybrid spaceman/fruit dude for Central U and Knights is astounding. I'd petition to reverse that decision every year til death.

(04-04-2017 08:57 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  Don't forget that you played us for the better part of a decade

You guys are up like 10-1 all time so we don't like to talk about that series

(04-04-2017 10:03 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

I'm sorry but the Citronauts have to be the greatest mascot of all time. Easily better than 98% of the mascots out there. It's pure genius! Why your PTB would trade a moniker like Florida Tech and a hybrid spaceman/fruit dude for Central U and Knights is astounding. I'd petition to reverse that decision every year til death.

I absolutely agree with you. I wish we were still the Florida Tech Citronauts. It's a recurring debate on the UCF fan forums. But at this point too much has been invested in the UCF Knights brand to go back, and there's a new Florida Tech in Melbourne that probably won't give up their name.

But the good news is that the University seems to be warming up to resurrecting the Citronaut. He's on some UCF merchandise and the baseball team used him on a throwback uniform.

If they take UTA, I say we add Florida Gulf Coast to get back into Florida again. Objectively the Sun Belt has nailed its recent expansions.

Georgia St - memorable '15 NCAA run, just added GPC and Turner Field, has soccer program
Georgia Southern - ran the table in '15 and won the conference, 9 wins and a bowl the next, competitive basketball and baseball, has soccer
App State - back to back 10 win seasons in football with bowl wins, has soccer
Coastal Carolina - defending national champs in baseball, competitive in football, basketball, and soccer
UTA - good basketball and baseball, Dallas-FTW market

FGCU or North Florida to a lesser extent could be attractive Olympic-sport only additions.

(04-05-2017 01:31 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  If they take UTA, I say we add Florida Gulf Coast to get back into Florida again. Objectively the Sun Belt has nailed its recent expansions.

Georgia St - memorable '15 NCAA run, just added GPC and Turner Field, has soccer program
Georgia Southern - ran the table in '15 and won the conference, 9 wins and a bowl the next, competitive basketball and baseball, has soccer
App State - back to back 10 win seasons in football with bowl wins, has soccer
Coastal Carolina - defending national champs in baseball, competitive in football, basketball, and soccer
UTA - good basketball and baseball, Dallas-FTW market

FGCU or North Florida to a lesser extent could be attractive Olympic-sport only additions.

I have to agree with this, however FloridaJag would point to the D2 Juggernaut West Florida.

I like the idea of FGCU, but Ft Myers is way the heck down in Florida. Not exactly a quick car ride from any other school currently in the conference.

(04-05-2017 01:31 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  If they take UTA, I say we add Florida Gulf Coast to get back into Florida again. Objectively the Sun Belt has nailed its recent expansions.

Georgia St - memorable '15 NCAA run, just added GPC and Turner Field, has soccer program
Georgia Southern - ran the table in '15 and won the conference, 9 wins and a bowl the next, competitive basketball and baseball, has soccer
App State - back to back 10 win seasons in football with bowl wins, has soccer
Coastal Carolina - defending national champs in baseball, competitive in football, basketball, and soccer
UTA - good basketball and baseball, Dallas-FTW market

FGCU or North Florida to a lesser extent could be attractive Olympic-sport only additions.

:(

If there's a spot available, I'd rather see if Belmont wanted to join....They are private, but they're a better fit with the Eastern and Western schools.

SW Florida is a trap. None of us recruit down there, and the schools are all very new, have very few local alumni and the population down there is transitory. Nashville would be a good addition to the conference again.

With regards to FGCU, they do have a good basketball product.....but they won't have any travel partners...and there's no one even remotely close to them that we're considering in the next 20 years for membership.

If we feel we have to get a 12th basketball school if we lost Little Rock or UTA....Here's what I'd do.

1) See if Missouri State wants to join WITHOUT football for the time being. Because they aren't ready to move up yet in football. Remember that the Missouri Valley Football Conference is a completely different conference than the Missouri Valley Conference.
2) Belmont - I know, they're private, but they're in Nashville and they've got a long history of doing well.
3) Stephen F Austin - Why the hell not? Would provide a travel partner for Texas State. One potential problem..they'd need a place to play FCS football because they'd get tossed from the Southland. And we aren't taking them to FBS.
4) Murray State - Unfortunately they play football in the OVC.
5) NMSU - If we're going to consider a team 8 hours away from our nearest team....then why not NMSU?

All of these schools are 'better' INHO because they combine good basketball with travel partnerships. Of these four, Belmont has the advantage of not playing football.

And then, FGCU I suppose. I'm not intractably opposed, but you might as well invite a team in Massachusetts or New Jersey. None of our teams are bussing to them. Cleveland OH and Philadelphia are closer to our footprint than Fort Myers. Heck, even NMSU isn't much further from San Marcos as Ft Myers is from Statesboro (about an hour or so further)

(04-05-2017 02:59 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I like the idea of FGCU, but Ft Myers is way the heck down in Florida. Not exactly a quick car ride from any other school currently in the conference.

north florida good fit for sunbelt