Regarding the scoreboard: At other schools a package of radio ads, ribbon board placements, program ads and occasional use of suites during games can easily run $50,000+ and would not be unusual to be $100,000 if it included jumbotron placements and promo opportunities.
(03-23-2017 08:08 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote: Now, I wish they did a better job with the graphics/displays, like rotating out player stats with the ads (seems like whenever I want to see stats they've got ads, and stats when I'm usually not looking).
I have this very same complaint.
(Damn that Coach Jones. Can't he get anything right?)
If I were to guess, I would guess that the reason for our low basketball funding is that we have more non revenue sports than most other schools like us. I have done no research on that, but it doesn't seem to be going to football. They aren't paying the football coaches at a high level either. I also want to be clear that I am in no way implying any sort of malfeasance. I just think we need to take a hard look at our revenue allocation and figure out how to put basketball on par with our athletics peers without taking away from football.
(03-23-2017 08:43 AM)monarx Wrote: This has probably been discussed, but I saw that Wade was making almost $1.5 million dollars. I assume Rhodes will get something similar. Are we really underpaying for our coach that much? A million less?!?! Of course, JJ hasn't proven he's worth more yet, but I hope when he or someone else does, we are ready to step it up. We have to keep up with the Joneses (no pun intended) if we want to compete and stay relevant.
Yes, we are. And the question is not whether we are paying JJ what he deserves. The question is whether JJ is our coach because we were unwilling/unable to pay a competitive salary.
(03-22-2017 08:19 AM)jumpshooter Wrote: Typical Razor bull****: "There is no reason we can't land big time local recruits if we were able to get the right coach. Just because jones and Blaine didn't do it doesn't mean it's not possible."
Here are just some of the big-time local recruits we haven't signed over the last few decades:
JR Reid, Joe Smith, Alonzo Mourning, Iverson, Coleman.
Local big-time guys we've gotten: Sessoms, Mullen. (really?)
So every coach, from Webb on, was the wrong coach? The best players we've ever had -- West, Hodge, Gattison -- weren't from around here. We've gotten guys on the rebound: Wilson Washington, Gatling, Freeman. In the entire history of the school, IMO, we've never landed the local "big-time" recruit.
Typical knee-jerk opinion from you, emphasis on jerk
We were a commuter school playing at scope with no football and no exposure.
Now we have a crown jewel arena, a practice facility, football and national tv exposure. We just haven't had the coach who can take advantage of all of this.
Keatts would have been the guy and we'd be where uncw is right now (2 NCAA's in a row in 3 years), instead we have Jeff jones.
You missed the point entirely.
Not buying your weak-sauce arguments:
30-35 years ago, Scope a plenty nice arena, good enough to appeal to Mark West, Ronnie McAdoo, etc. Is it better to have the Ted? Yup, it is. But every school we compete with has a nice arena and amenities as well.
We used to be on ESPN back in the day, in fact Sun Belt commissioner Vic Bubas got the league a nice exposure deal. I hate the TV exposure we get now -- and I bet you do, too. Our games, and those of others in mid-majors, get lost in the avalanche of ACC, SEC, Big10 games shown on the national and national cable networks.
I don't see football as a factor in a basketball player coming to ODU; yeah it gives him something to do for a few hours 5 Saturdays a fall. Big whoop.
Not saying Jeff is the right man for the job, and not saying he doesn't need to recruit better.
And I didn't miss the point; you didn't make your point particularly clearly.
(03-23-2017 09:01 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:
(03-23-2017 08:43 AM)monarx Wrote: This has probably been discussed, but I saw that Wade was making almost $1.5 million dollars. I assume Rhodes will get something similar. Are we really underpaying for our coach that much? A million less?!?! Of course, JJ hasn't proven he's worth more yet, but I hope when he or someone else does, we are ready to step it up. We have to keep up with the Joneses (no pun intended) if we want to compete and stay relevant.
Yes, we are. And the question is not whether we are paying JJ what he deserves. The question is whether JJ is our coach because we were unwilling/unable to pay a competitive salary.
(03-23-2017 08:43 AM)monarx Wrote: This has probably been discussed, but I saw that Wade was making almost $1.5 million dollars. I assume Rhodes will get something similar. Are we really underpaying for our coach that much? A million less?!?! Of course, JJ hasn't proven he's worth more yet, but I hope when he or someone else does, we are ready to step it up. We have to keep up with the Joneses (no pun intended) if we want to compete and stay relevant.
Yes, we are. And the question is not whether we are paying JJ what he deserves. The question is whether JJ is our coach because we were unwilling/unable to pay a competitive salary.
ODU had the bad timing of a coaching vacancy coming up against a below-average coaching free-agent pool. Andy Enfield and Richard Pitino probably don't get the deals they got at the schools they got them from that year -- maybe later down the line, but not that very year, when Enfield was largely anonymous on the national scene until those two NCAA wins, and Pitino had just finished his first season at FIU. There were no reasonable big-splash hires out there, not for ODU at least. So they had to choose between rising stars (Rhodes, Keatts) and safe choices (Jones). Given how spectacularly the program imploded the previous season, safety had a lot more appeal then than it does now. You pick oatmeal and toast over spicy foods when you've got an upset stomach, but eventually you get hungry for something different.
Right or wrong, it is clear that after the Blaine debacle, Wood wanted someone with the experience of running his own D1 program. As Cynic mentioned, Wood was going to take the safe route. It's probably not the choice I would have made, but I don't blame him for doing so.
(03-22-2017 05:30 PM)Steve1981 Wrote: On coaches salaries, we just hire Pat Kelsey for average of 800k for 5 years or 4 Million, plus paying Derek Kellogg's severance of 1.16 Million so it's about 1 Million per year. Our practice facility is 22 Million for comparison.
Breaking news...Pat Kelsey backs out of his UMass deal before his press conference.
(03-23-2017 08:43 AM)monarx Wrote: This has probably been discussed, but I saw that Wade was making almost $1.5 million dollars. I assume Rhodes will get something similar. Are we really underpaying for our coach that much? A million less?!?! Of course, JJ hasn't proven he's worth more yet, but I hope when he or someone else does, we are ready to step it up. We have to keep up with the Joneses (no pun intended) if we want to compete and stay relevant.
For what it's worth, Keatts was making $600,00 at UNC-W, got quite a bump up to over 2 mill at NC State.
(03-22-2017 05:30 PM)Steve1981 Wrote: On coaches salaries, we just hire Pat Kelsey for average of 800k for 5 years or 4 Million, plus paying Derek Kellogg's severance of 1.16 Million so it's about 1 Million per year. Our practice facility is 22 Million for comparison.
Breaking news...Pat Kelsey backs out of his UMass deal before his press conference.
(03-23-2017 08:43 AM)monarx Wrote: This has probably been discussed, but I saw that Wade was making almost $1.5 million dollars. I assume Rhodes will get something similar. Are we really underpaying for our coach that much? A million less?!?! Of course, JJ hasn't proven he's worth more yet, but I hope when he or someone else does, we are ready to step it up. We have to keep up with the Joneses (no pun intended) if we want to compete and stay relevant.
For what it's worth, Keatts was making $600,00 at UNC-W, got quite a bump up to over 2 mill at NC State.
Wow...and now we know why Keatts "wasn't interested" in the ODU job.
(03-22-2017 05:30 PM)Steve1981 Wrote: On coaches salaries, we just hire Pat Kelsey for average of 800k for 5 years or 4 Million, plus paying Derek Kellogg's severance of 1.16 Million so it's about 1 Million per year. Our practice facility is 22 Million for comparison.
Breaking news...Pat Kelsey backs out of his UMass deal before his press conference.
Had better days. At least the buyout clause is for 1 Million for the next 2 years.
Here is the 5:30 PM conference and he gave no indication during the day and called at 3:25PM to back out.
Xavier's Chris Mack to Indiana; Kelsey, former Xavier asst., back to the Queen City. Just as Wade talked to Rhoades ahead of anyone else, I believe this has happened.
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The Decline of VCU Basketball
