(03-13-2017 11:30 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:28 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:23 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:04 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Tubby will build a team with blue-collar guys, that will buy into his system.

And that's fine as long as the school and the boosters don't mind 4-6K at the Forum for another couple of seasons.

The reality is, the slow build wasn't what was needed at Memphis.

yep

Agreed but one year doesn't make or break anything and certainly doesn't constitute a "build" of any kind.

I'm trying to straddle the fence here - give him a shot to put together a competitive roster next year that points to at least an at large contender in year 3.

Anything else and it's over until the next guy.

You can just feel it in the fan base.

Unless he gets some commits from some high rated guys - in the absence of a successful now you can always sell folks on a bright tomorrow.

(03-13-2017 11:43 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:30 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:28 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:23 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:04 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Tubby will build a team with blue-collar guys, that will buy into his system.

And that's fine as long as the school and the boosters don't mind 4-6K at the Forum for another couple of seasons.

The reality is, the slow build wasn't what was needed at Memphis.

yep

Agreed but one year doesn't make or break anything and certainly doesn't constitute a "build" of any kind.

I'm trying to straddle the fence here - give him a shot to put together a competitive roster next year that points to at least an at large contender in year 3.

Anything else and it's over until the next guy.

You can just feel it in the fan base.

Unless he gets some commits from some high rated guys - in the absence of a successful now you can always sell folks on a bright tomorrow.

Or you can act surprised that the fan base has expectations and expects you to produce results on the court and / or in recruiting.....

(03-13-2017 11:43 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:30 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:28 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:23 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:04 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Tubby will build a team with blue-collar guys, that will buy into his system.

And that's fine as long as the school and the boosters don't mind 4-6K at the Forum for another couple of seasons.

The reality is, the slow build wasn't what was needed at Memphis.

yep

Agreed but one year doesn't make or break anything and certainly doesn't constitute a "build" of any kind.

I'm trying to straddle the fence here - give him a shot to put together a competitive roster next year that points to at least an at large contender in year 3.

Anything else and it's over until the next guy.

You can just feel it in the fan base.

Unless he gets some commits from some high rated guys - in the absence of a successful now you can always sell folks on a bright tomorrow.

For me, next year will shape my perspective, I think, good or bad.

Well, they've had a year to figure it out and are getting a much earlier start on the late period than most similar programs. There is literally no excuse for not putting together a competitive roster with some good pieces - not with JC and grad transfer markets being so viable nowadays.

Plus, like I said "bright tomorrow" - they are free to pull in a DI standard transfer or more than one - that market is ALWAYS viable...Gonzaga, Wichita, Rhode Island, Cincinnati, SMU, Nevada - all NCAA teams and all with transfers on their roster...a lot of G5 schools are becoming second chance destinations...Nevada has 4 high level DI transfers sitting out...they will be just as good next year. UCF has 4 DI transfers sitting out, though not as high level as Nevada, still an influx of talent in the wings.

We truly will know before next season if this staff has what it takes based solely on what the roster looks like and/or what the future looks like.

(03-13-2017 12:14 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Well, they've had a year to figure it out and are getting a much earlier start on the late period than most similar programs. There is literally no excuse for not putting together a competitive roster with some good pieces - not with JC and grad transfer markets being so viable nowadays.

Plus, like I said "bright tomorrow" - they are free to pull in a DI standard transfer or more than one - that market is ALWAYS viable...Gonzaga, Wichita, Rhode Island, Cincinnati, SMU, Nevada - all NCAA teams and all with transfers on their roster...a lot of G5 schools are becoming second chance destinations...Nevada has 4 high level DI transfers sitting out...they will be just as good next year. UCF has 4 DI transfers sitting out, though not as high level as Nevada, still an influx of talent in the wings.

We truly will know before next season if this staff has what it takes based solely on what the roster looks like and/or what the future looks like.

All good points...you're right

(03-13-2017 12:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 12:14 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Well, they've had a year to figure it out and are getting a much earlier start on the late period than most similar programs. There is literally no excuse for not putting together a competitive roster with some good pieces - not with JC and grad transfer markets being so viable nowadays.

Plus, like I said "bright tomorrow" - they are free to pull in a DI standard transfer or more than one - that market is ALWAYS viable...Gonzaga, Wichita, Rhode Island, Cincinnati, SMU, Nevada - all NCAA teams and all with transfers on their roster...a lot of G5 schools are becoming second chance destinations...Nevada has 4 high level DI transfers sitting out...they will be just as good next year. UCF has 4 DI transfers sitting out, though not as high level as Nevada, still an influx of talent in the wings.

We truly will know before next season if this staff has what it takes based solely on what the roster looks like and/or what the future looks like.

All good points...you're right

Easy way to test this awesome theory that you so eloquently came up with!!! How many grad transfers does this admin have currently that's currently "waiting in the wings" (sitting out)? I hope the answer is NOT to easy to quickly decipher! For Pete's sake........

(03-13-2017 09:49 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 09:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 11:39 PM)450bench Wrote:  Smdh...

What are you shaking?

He's 10 months into recruiting at Memphis. At most, Memphis likely has two or three scholarships available. We are late in the recruiting period and he's scouting so kid that Manhattan just discovered.

Yes, he has a fantastic Youtube video (so does Kaleb Castro, btw).

You're gonna smdh MY post?

You should be SMDH BAM! and Tubby's recruiting.

I'm shaking my head at you, yes, one of the best posters here.
I'm shaking my head at you because, while I understand your disappointment in the season, I can't figure out your judgement of this coach after one season. To me, it's just mind boggling and completely void of perspective. Clearly, Tubby is a proven commodity as a basketball coach and likely hall of famer. Let's let the guy get some time under his belt before we crucify him. I don't think 10 months on the job warrants any kind of judgement yet. Let the guy recruit the players HE wants. I think he's a better judge of the talent he wants then you and me and a bunch of scabs like us on a message board. After that, then we see what happens. He's got 3 talented guys coming in and will likely add 2 more. Maybe 3.
I prefer to let him do his job before I give a cheap seat perspective.

Thank you 450. People on this board would do the same thing if we had Coach K, Dean Smith and John Wooden all on the same bench. Memphis fans are never satisfied with the coach. They called for Calipari's head just prior to the greatest run a Tiger program has ever known, breaking NCAA records. They bashed every coach since Gene Bartow no matter how good they've done. Tubby came in with the recruiting season practically over and arguably had no idea he was coming to Memphis so he had nothing cooking for this program at the time. He took over a depleted staff and a roster past the starting 5. Any coach should be given 3 years to put his own recruits in place. Maybe Tubby needs a great recruiter. I don't think this season is an indicator of his coaching ability. He played 6 or 7 players way more minutes than anyone should be expected to play. Some 35-40 minutes. Some games they were just worn out in the second half. As least give him a sporting chance to build his team.

(03-23-2017 11:45 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 09:49 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 09:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 11:39 PM)450bench Wrote:  Smdh...

What are you shaking?

He's 10 months into recruiting at Memphis. At most, Memphis likely has two or three scholarships available. We are late in the recruiting period and he's scouting so kid that Manhattan just discovered.

Yes, he has a fantastic Youtube video (so does Kaleb Castro, btw).

You're gonna smdh MY post?

You should be SMDH BAM! and Tubby's recruiting.

I'm shaking my head at you, yes, one of the best posters here.
I'm shaking my head at you because, while I understand your disappointment in the season, I can't figure out your judgement of this coach after one season. To me, it's just mind boggling and completely void of perspective. Clearly, Tubby is a proven commodity as a basketball coach and likely hall of famer. Let's let the guy get some time under his belt before we crucify him. I don't think 10 months on the job warrants any kind of judgement yet. Let the guy recruit the players HE wants. I think he's a better judge of the talent he wants then you and me and a bunch of scabs like us on a message board. After that, then we see what happens. He's got 3 talented guys coming in and will likely add 2 more. Maybe 3.
I prefer to let him do his job before I give a cheap seat perspective.

Thank you 450. People on this board would do the same thing if we had Coach K, Dean Smith and John Wooden all on the same bench. Memphis fans are never satisfied with the coach. They called for Calipari's head just prior to the greatest run a Tiger program has ever known, breaking NCAA records. They bashed every coach since Gene Bartow no matter how good they've done. Tubby came in with the recruiting season practically over and arguably had no idea he was coming to Memphis so he had nothing cooking for this program at the time. He took over a depleted staff and a roster past the starting 5. Any coach should be given 3 years to put his own recruits in place. Maybe Tubby needs a great recruiter. I don't think this season is an indicator of his coaching ability. He played 6 or 7 players way more minutes than anyone should be expected to play. Some 35-40 minutes. Some games they were just worn out in the second half. As least give him a sporting chance to build his team.

We just differ philosophically.

You do realize that in about two weeks, Tubby will have been the head coach for a year.

And unless things change in recruiting, he will have as many as 4 scholarships open--at the same exact time of the year as last year.

Yet last year you were saying how impossible it would be to fill spots in April and May, yet this year you are saying "Just see how Tubby fills out the roster in April and May."

My beef with Tubby was with the way he handled the spring/summer in preparation for last year.

I am now concerned with the way recruiting is going and how that plays out (already) for two years down the road.

Calkins and Giannotto were discussing that genral protocol dictates a school at the end of year three to extend a coach's contract. I fear that by year three the jury will still be out and we will have gone from the "just wait til he gets his kids in" to "just wait til the freshman become sophomore" to "just wait till the sophomores become juniors" to "just wait for the frosh class to provide depth for the upperclassmen."

And as an aside, that bolded statement is up for discussion.

Those three, historically (based on their recruiting rankings) will average between 0.0 and 6.0 ppg as frosh. By their junior season, one will no longer be with the program, one will be an 8th or 9th guy off the bench, and the "star" of that group will likely be an 9/4 guy as a junior (coming off 4/2 and 6/3 seasons) to maybe be a 11/5 guy as a senior.

Just the truth.

(03-23-2017 11:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I fear that by year three the jury will still be out and we will have gone from the "just wait til he gets his kids in" to "just wait til the freshman become sophomore" to "just wait till the sophomores become juniors" to "just wait for the frosh class to provide depth for the upperclassmen."

So, your fear is that we will be like Pearl fans at Auburn?

(03-23-2017 12:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I fear that by year three the jury will still be out and we will have gone from the "just wait til he gets his kids in" to "just wait til the freshman become sophomore" to "just wait till the sophomores become juniors" to "just wait for the frosh class to provide depth for the upperclassmen."

So, your fear is that we will be like Pearl fans at Auburn?

Yeah, except Auburn isn't close to the program Memphis is and doesn't play in the AAC. And at least AU, through recruiting, has the illusion of promise.

We're battling Portland U. for a 6th man JUCO right now.

(03-23-2017 11:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:45 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 09:49 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 09:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 11:39 PM)450bench Wrote:  Smdh...

What are you shaking?

He's 10 months into recruiting at Memphis. At most, Memphis likely has two or three scholarships available. We are late in the recruiting period and he's scouting so kid that Manhattan just discovered.

Yes, he has a fantastic Youtube video (so does Kaleb Castro, btw).

You're gonna smdh MY post?

You should be SMDH BAM! and Tubby's recruiting.

I'm shaking my head at you, yes, one of the best posters here.
I'm shaking my head at you because, while I understand your disappointment in the season, I can't figure out your judgement of this coach after one season. To me, it's just mind boggling and completely void of perspective. Clearly, Tubby is a proven commodity as a basketball coach and likely hall of famer. Let's let the guy get some time under his belt before we crucify him. I don't think 10 months on the job warrants any kind of judgement yet. Let the guy recruit the players HE wants. I think he's a better judge of the talent he wants then you and me and a bunch of scabs like us on a message board. After that, then we see what happens. He's got 3 talented guys coming in and will likely add 2 more. Maybe 3.
I prefer to let him do his job before I give a cheap seat perspective.

Thank you 450. People on this board would do the same thing if we had Coach K, Dean Smith and John Wooden all on the same bench. Memphis fans are never satisfied with the coach. They called for Calipari's head just prior to the greatest run a Tiger program has ever known, breaking NCAA records. They bashed every coach since Gene Bartow no matter how good they've done. Tubby came in with the recruiting season practically over and arguably had no idea he was coming to Memphis so he had nothing cooking for this program at the time. He took over a depleted staff and a roster past the starting 5. Any coach should be given 3 years to put his own recruits in place. Maybe Tubby needs a great recruiter. I don't think this season is an indicator of his coaching ability. He played 6 or 7 players way more minutes than anyone should be expected to play. Some 35-40 minutes. Some games they were just worn out in the second half. As least give him a sporting chance to build his team.

We just differ philosophically.

You do realize that in about two weeks, Tubby will have been the head coach for a year.

And unless things change in recruiting, he will have as many as 4 scholarships open--at the same exact time of the year as last year.

Yet last year you were saying how impossible it would be to fill spots in April and May, yet this year you are saying "Just see how Tubby fills out the roster in April and May."

My beef with Tubby was with the way he handled the spring/summer in preparation for last year.

I am now concerned with the way recruiting is going and how that plays out (already) for two years down the road.

Calkins and Giannotto were discussing that genral protocol dictates a school at the end of year three to extend a coach's contract. I fear that by year three the jury will still be out and we will have gone from the "just wait til he gets his kids in" to "just wait til the freshman become sophomore" to "just wait till the sophomores become juniors" to "just wait for the frosh class to provide depth for the upperclassmen."

And as an aside, that bolded statement is up for discussion.

Those three, historically (based on their recruiting rankings) will average between 0.0 and 6.0 ppg as frosh. By their junior season, one will no longer be with the program, one will be an 8th or 9th guy off the bench, and the "star" of that group will likely be an 9/4 guy as a junior (coming off 4/2 and 6/3 seasons) to maybe be a 11/5 guy as a senior.

Just the truth.

Depends on the coach and how well he evaluates talent...

GTechs leading scorer is a 200+ ranked frosh. Sometimes you get lucky...But I don't think your research is fair...Heck there are plenty of borderline four stars doing very well around the country.

(03-23-2017 02:14 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:54 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:45 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 09:49 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 09:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  What are you shaking?

He's 10 months into recruiting at Memphis. At most, Memphis likely has two or three scholarships available. We are late in the recruiting period and he's scouting so kid that Manhattan just discovered.

Yes, he has a fantastic Youtube video (so does Kaleb Castro, btw).

You're gonna smdh MY post?

You should be SMDH BAM! and Tubby's recruiting.

I'm shaking my head at you, yes, one of the best posters here.
I'm shaking my head at you because, while I understand your disappointment in the season, I can't figure out your judgement of this coach after one season. To me, it's just mind boggling and completely void of perspective. Clearly, Tubby is a proven commodity as a basketball coach and likely hall of famer. Let's let the guy get some time under his belt before we crucify him. I don't think 10 months on the job warrants any kind of judgement yet. Let the guy recruit the players HE wants. I think he's a better judge of the talent he wants then you and me and a bunch of scabs like us on a message board. After that, then we see what happens. He's got 3 talented guys coming in and will likely add 2 more. Maybe 3.
I prefer to let him do his job before I give a cheap seat perspective.

Thank you 450. People on this board would do the same thing if we had Coach K, Dean Smith and John Wooden all on the same bench. Memphis fans are never satisfied with the coach. They called for Calipari's head just prior to the greatest run a Tiger program has ever known, breaking NCAA records. They bashed every coach since Gene Bartow no matter how good they've done. Tubby came in with the recruiting season practically over and arguably had no idea he was coming to Memphis so he had nothing cooking for this program at the time. He took over a depleted staff and a roster past the starting 5. Any coach should be given 3 years to put his own recruits in place. Maybe Tubby needs a great recruiter. I don't think this season is an indicator of his coaching ability. He played 6 or 7 players way more minutes than anyone should be expected to play. Some 35-40 minutes. Some games they were just worn out in the second half. As least give him a sporting chance to build his team.

We just differ philosophically.

You do realize that in about two weeks, Tubby will have been the head coach for a year.

And unless things change in recruiting, he will have as many as 4 scholarships open--at the same exact time of the year as last year.

Yet last year you were saying how impossible it would be to fill spots in April and May, yet this year you are saying "Just see how Tubby fills out the roster in April and May."

My beef with Tubby was with the way he handled the spring/summer in preparation for last year.

I am now concerned with the way recruiting is going and how that plays out (already) for two years down the road.

Calkins and Giannotto were discussing that genral protocol dictates a school at the end of year three to extend a coach's contract. I fear that by year three the jury will still be out and we will have gone from the "just wait til he gets his kids in" to "just wait til the freshman become sophomore" to "just wait till the sophomores become juniors" to "just wait for the frosh class to provide depth for the upperclassmen."

And as an aside, that bolded statement is up for discussion.

Those three, historically (based on their recruiting rankings) will average between 0.0 and 6.0 ppg as frosh. By their junior season, one will no longer be with the program, one will be an 8th or 9th guy off the bench, and the "star" of that group will likely be an 9/4 guy as a junior (coming off 4/2 and 6/3 seasons) to maybe be a 11/5 guy as a senior.

Just the truth.

Depends on the coach and how well he evaluates talent...

GTechs leading scorer is a 200+ ranked frosh. Sometimes you get lucky...But I don't think your research is fair...Heck there are plenty of borderline four stars doing very well around the country.

He's being conservative. The players will more likely be around the median, that just how life works. Hell, Chris Chiozza, a 4*, average only 7.1 ppg this year as a junior. But his impact was much more that.

Don't get caught up in ppg. It's important but not the end all.

The mean is fine to use. Not enough data to get deeper. The problem is that the 3-star pool is a big population, and there is a large standard deviation within, when you start looking at how the pan out in college. That's where you hope our evaluation is better than the other guys, and we're getting the right 3's.

(03-23-2017 04:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The mean is fine to use. Not enough data to get deeper. The problem is that the 3-star pool is a big population, and there is a large standard deviation within, when you start looking at how the pan out in college. That's where you hope our evaluation is better than the other guys, and we're getting the right 3's.

Just like as I nailed 1st year numbers for Damien Wilson, Shaq, Clergeot, Chad, Dom Woodson, and a couple others we can sit back and time will tell.

You have to watch film, get to know the kid, talk to coaches, advisers, and teammates. There's a lot more to a player than a youtube mixtape and some stars by his name (outside of the top 10 - they're usually can't miss guys). Recruiting/Evaluating is a full-time job...that's why the HC makes $3M a year and his assistants make six figures.

I don't care who they recruit, just make sure more hit than miss and make sure that equals wins ...specifically in March.

(03-24-2017 09:31 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  You have to watch film, get to know the kid, talk to coaches, advisers, and teammates. There's a lot more to a player than a youtube mixtape and some stars by his name (outside of the top 10 - they're usually can't miss guys). Recruiting/Evaluating is a full-time job...that's why the HC makes $3M a year and his assistants make six figures.

I don't care who they recruit, just make sure more hit than miss and make sure that equals wins ...specifically in March.

Finding players with skill sets to match your other players is the purpose of recruiting. I would never advocate for just going star gazing without evaluating what that particular player contributes to the whole.

That being said, once a class is assembled, you can look at the rankings of the players and then gaze back at previous players similarly situated in the recruiting rankings and get a pretty good prediction of what sort of statistical output to expect from that player.

I realize that "stats" don't take into consideration the totality of a player's contribution, I merely show what output should be expected in light of hopeful posters unusual expectations.

Of course there are anomalies. You are more likely to hit red or black on a single roulette spin, but sometimes 0 or 00 pops up. However, if you EXPECT a 0 or 00 to pop up you are in for a long night.

It really is not different from the NBA draft. Every year some team drafting outside the lottery has faith their GM will buck the odds and find the next 1st team all NBA guy drafted in the 20's. That just doesn't happen. Factually.

The same with 2nd rounders. Can a great player come from the 2nd round? Sure.

Will it happen? Probably not.

Looking at the 300 guys drafted in the 2nd round from 2007 to 2016, 14 average double figures (4.6%).

So, a draft spot that doesn't generally provide an opportunity to draft a future all-star CAN happen, it's just that folks shouldn't expect that to be the case.

Just like recruiting in NCAA's. Your #110 guy eight out of ten times will be Damien Wilson or Dominic Magee and not Frank Mason, Jr.

(03-24-2017 10:05 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 09:31 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  You have to watch film, get to know the kid, talk to coaches, advisers, and teammates. There's a lot more to a player than a youtube mixtape and some stars by his name (outside of the top 10 - they're usually can't miss guys). Recruiting/Evaluating is a full-time job...that's why the HC makes $3M a year and his assistants make six figures.

I don't care who they recruit, just make sure more hit than miss and make sure that equals wins ...specifically in March.

Finding players with skill sets to match your other players is the purpose of recruiting. I would never advocate for just going star gazing without evaluating what that particular player contributes to the whole.

That being said, once a class is assembled, you can look at the rankings of the players and then gaze back at previous players similarly situated in the recruiting rankings and get a pretty good prediction of what sort of statistical output to expect from that player.

I realize that "stats" don't take into consideration the totality of a player's contribution, I merely show what output should be expected in light of hopeful posters unusual expectations.

Of course there are anomalies. You are more likely to hit red or black on a single roulette spin, but sometimes 0 or 00 pops up. However, if you EXPECT a 0 or 00 to pop up you are in for a long night.

It really is not different from the NBA draft. Every year some team drafting outside the lottery has faith their GM will buck the odds and find the next 1st team all NBA guy drafted in the 20's. That just doesn't happen. Factually.

The same with 2nd rounders. Can a great player come from the 2nd round? Sure.

Will it happen? Probably not.

Looking at the 300 guys drafted in the 2nd round from 2007 to 2016, 14 average double figures (4.6%).

So, a draft spot that doesn't generally provide an opportunity to draft a future all-star CAN happen, it's just that folks shouldn't expect that to be the case.

Just like recruiting in NCAA's. Your #110 guy eight out of ten times will be Damien Wilson or Dominic Magee and not Frank Mason, Jr.

Sometimes you just gotta hit the 2 out of 10. I agree with you, but sometimes a couple of really good players can make an otherwise average team very good. We haven't hit the jackpot with a Mason, but hopefully we will.

We all have expectations for the program. I think the Cal years have made our expectations very high. For now, I'd like to get into the tournament and see what happens from there. We are so far from that point now. Of course I'd like to see a run of final four appearances, but I just don't see that happening anytime soon. We are in a rebuild mode. Even if Dedric stays (almost no chance),we've got so many holes to fill. Hopefully, Tubby will land a couple of impact players (JC or grad transfers) and I'll up my short term expectations. Other than that, I'd be surprised if we win19 games next year...

(03-24-2017 04:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think the Cal years have made our expectations very high.

I guess so.

Most just want the guy to sign players worth two craps and get back to the Dance.

At least among most folks I talk to.

I don't see and can't image how where they rank correlates with their numbers . . . you just can't say that (outside of the higher ranked you are the better numbers you may have, thats obvious but again more for the top guys). Each class is different, some years may be stronger than others. One years 40-50 may be more like another years 70-80. And even if you did take numbers from say 51-60 from 2010 and compare them to 51-60 from 2011, no way they are similar . . . the numbers will be all over the place (not to mention the fact you have to take position into account, in 2010 for example there were 6 forwards, 3 guards and 1 center in spots 51-60 (Rivals) and the following year 2011 its basically flipped 6 guards, 2 forwards, 2 centers). Where are your numbers to back that up (and not just you saying that you predicted what numbers x y z players was going to put up).

Nope, it's pretty consistent from year to year.