(02-14-2017 12:57 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:29 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 05:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 11:41 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 10:13 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  The CUSA folks may not say it publicly, but that conference is in turmoil. Nobody is happy with the alignment of schools and everyone is bleeding money thanks to the new TV deal. A lot of those schools are looking for a ticket out of town.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for them IF they believe the only acceptable alternatives are the AAC, the MWC, or a P5 invitation.

AppManDG, would you say the Sun Belt is in similar turmoil? C-USA is farther flung, with extreme western Texas, southern Florida, southeast Virginia, and West Virginia serving as four widespread, three time zone, multi climate corners. The Sun Belt, though, is still farther spread out East to West than the SEC, with maybe 1% of the TV payout. Texas State, just in the eastern half of Texas, is still a long way from Boone and Conway. Neither league is bringing in revenue.

Do you think C-USA members/fans are unhappy because they once made more money playing against bigger names, and now they don't? Are Sun Belt fans/members less agitated because they never had that revenue or higher names in the league to begin with?

Or are fans/members of both league's both just irritated and ready to say, "What the Heck are we doing? As long as we are not going to make much money, let's align ourselves to play schools our students and fans know something about."

It makes so much more sense in a P5 league. Nobody had to explain to Florida or Georgia fans who Texas A&M was because even though they're about 1000 miles or so apart, the Aggies are known. Oh, and there's money to help justify the league being so spread out. But let's face it: people at Texas State or ULM have to be told which state App State is in, and People at Coastal Carolina have to be explained why they're playing games against schools from 4 states away.

It's not that I don't want App to play Sun Belt schools. Shoot, I think App vs. stAte would be worth continuing even if they end up in separate league's. Same for any other school that would end up in a western based league.

No way I can speak for others, but it seems to me most everyone is relatively content with the Sunbelt. You have to feel for long time CUSA members like Rice, So Miss, UTEP and Marshall because the conference they joined no longer exists. It's also easy to understand their anger. Banowsky sold those schools the security of big TV revenues based on a pipe dream. Then used millions of dollars in exit fees to maintain the illusion those TV dollars were still there. Not hard to imagine the shock when the truth came out with the new TV deal.

Sunbelt teams have learned to make do with less. The guys who bolted for what they thought were greener pastures are now are back down on the ground floor lapping up a big dish of humble pie. The big dollars vanished, but not all those travel costs. Sucks for them, but they gulped down the bait and have to live with the consequences. Some Sunbelt folks might be a little more sympathetic about their plight had there not been as much boasting while they were going out the door. Look who's laughing now.

Although the Sunbelt definitely has a better model, neither conference is sustainable in its current configuration, especially on the non revenue sport side. App and GA Southern fans can't fully appreciate the extent of betrayal the rest of our conference mates feel towards the former schools. Whether or not bruised egos and hard feeling can be overcome is anybody's guess.

TXST AD is content in the SBC. I don't mind it but understand why a lot of our fans want CUSA (more local rivals) or MWC (better perception).

Interesting statement considering I and my fellow App fans were hammered by Texas St folks for expressing a desire for a more regionally based conference.

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The ones that post here mostly understand the SBC is better than its perception. The Bobcat message board or general sentiment is different. If they had followed FCS football closely in our Southland days they would also know App and GS were top adds. The problem is most people don't get that. They still see SBC as a basement conference and TXST getting passed by UTSA when they left the WAC and went CUSA. Which at the time everyone in the SBC was trying to get to too. It's hard being the only Texas school. I've enjoyed UL, ULM, and stAte. GS, App, and USA have been fun as well. I look forward to playing Troy and GSU more and getting to know CCU. I will miss NMSU and Idaho. We were in the WAC together and have all had an interesting ride on the conference realignment roller coaster.

Overall, I would rather play the SBC teams than most of CUSA. That said I wouldn't mind the other Texas schools, LA Tech, and USM.

(02-14-2017 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:57 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:29 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 05:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 11:41 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for them IF they believe the only acceptable alternatives are the AAC, the MWC, or a P5 invitation.

AppManDG, would you say the Sun Belt is in similar turmoil? C-USA is farther flung, with extreme western Texas, southern Florida, southeast Virginia, and West Virginia serving as four widespread, three time zone, multi climate corners. The Sun Belt, though, is still farther spread out East to West than the SEC, with maybe 1% of the TV payout. Texas State, just in the eastern half of Texas, is still a long way from Boone and Conway. Neither league is bringing in revenue.

Do you think C-USA members/fans are unhappy because they once made more money playing against bigger names, and now they don't? Are Sun Belt fans/members less agitated because they never had that revenue or higher names in the league to begin with?

Or are fans/members of both league's both just irritated and ready to say, "What the Heck are we doing? As long as we are not going to make much money, let's align ourselves to play schools our students and fans know something about."

It makes so much more sense in a P5 league. Nobody had to explain to Florida or Georgia fans who Texas A&M was because even though they're about 1000 miles or so apart, the Aggies are known. Oh, and there's money to help justify the league being so spread out. But let's face it: people at Texas State or ULM have to be told which state App State is in, and People at Coastal Carolina have to be explained why they're playing games against schools from 4 states away.

It's not that I don't want App to play Sun Belt schools. Shoot, I think App vs. stAte would be worth continuing even if they end up in separate league's. Same for any other school that would end up in a western based league.

No way I can speak for others, but it seems to me most everyone is relatively content with the Sunbelt. You have to feel for long time CUSA members like Rice, So Miss, UTEP and Marshall because the conference they joined no longer exists. It's also easy to understand their anger. Banowsky sold those schools the security of big TV revenues based on a pipe dream. Then used millions of dollars in exit fees to maintain the illusion those TV dollars were still there. Not hard to imagine the shock when the truth came out with the new TV deal.

Sunbelt teams have learned to make do with less. The guys who bolted for what they thought were greener pastures are now are back down on the ground floor lapping up a big dish of humble pie. The big dollars vanished, but not all those travel costs. Sucks for them, but they gulped down the bait and have to live with the consequences. Some Sunbelt folks might be a little more sympathetic about their plight had there not been as much boasting while they were going out the door. Look who's laughing now.

Although the Sunbelt definitely has a better model, neither conference is sustainable in its current configuration, especially on the non revenue sport side. App and GA Southern fans can't fully appreciate the extent of betrayal the rest of our conference mates feel towards the former schools. Whether or not bruised egos and hard feeling can be overcome is anybody's guess.

TXST AD is content in the SBC. I don't mind it but understand why a lot of our fans want CUSA (more local rivals) or MWC (better perception).

Interesting statement considering I and my fellow App fans were hammered by Texas St folks for expressing a desire for a more regionally based conference.

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The ones that post here mostly understand the SBC is better than its perception. The Bobcat message board or general sentiment is different. If they had followed FCS football closely in our Southland days they would also know App and GS were top adds. The problem is most people don't get that. They still see SBC as a basement conference and TXST getting passed by UTSA when they left the WAC and went CUSA. Which at the time everyone in the SBC was trying to get to too. It's hard being the only Texas school. I've enjoyed UL, ULM, and stAte. GS, App, and USA have been fun as well. I look forward to playing Troy and GSU more and getting to know CCU. I will miss NMSU and Idaho. We were in the WAC together and have all had an interesting ride on the conference realignment roller coaster.

Overall, I would rather play the SBC teams than most of CUSA. That said I wouldn't mind the other Texas schools, LA Tech, and USM.

I think the sbc is a pretty good home for uta. the sports we have, the belt is pretty competitive in. I wish we had nmsu for all sports and a western division and maybe somiss for an eastern division. we dont have many options so the sbc is a good one in my view. our fans have a history with the western ones so mostly all is good.

(02-14-2017 01:58 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:57 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:29 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 05:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  No way I can speak for others, but it seems to me most everyone is relatively content with the Sunbelt. You have to feel for long time CUSA members like Rice, So Miss, UTEP and Marshall because the conference they joined no longer exists. It's also easy to understand their anger. Banowsky sold those schools the security of big TV revenues based on a pipe dream. Then used millions of dollars in exit fees to maintain the illusion those TV dollars were still there. Not hard to imagine the shock when the truth came out with the new TV deal.

Sunbelt teams have learned to make do with less. The guys who bolted for what they thought were greener pastures are now are back down on the ground floor lapping up a big dish of humble pie. The big dollars vanished, but not all those travel costs. Sucks for them, but they gulped down the bait and have to live with the consequences. Some Sunbelt folks might be a little more sympathetic about their plight had there not been as much boasting while they were going out the door. Look who's laughing now.

Although the Sunbelt definitely has a better model, neither conference is sustainable in its current configuration, especially on the non revenue sport side. App and GA Southern fans can't fully appreciate the extent of betrayal the rest of our conference mates feel towards the former schools. Whether or not bruised egos and hard feeling can be overcome is anybody's guess.

TXST AD is content in the SBC. I don't mind it but understand why a lot of our fans want CUSA (more local rivals) or MWC (better perception).

Interesting statement considering I and my fellow App fans were hammered by Texas St folks for expressing a desire for a more regionally based conference.

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The ones that post here mostly understand the SBC is better than its perception. The Bobcat message board or general sentiment is different. If they had followed FCS football closely in our Southland days they would also know App and GS were top adds. The problem is most people don't get that. They still see SBC as a basement conference and TXST getting passed by UTSA when they left the WAC and went CUSA. Which at the time everyone in the SBC was trying to get to too. It's hard being the only Texas school. I've enjoyed UL, ULM, and stAte. GS, App, and USA have been fun as well. I look forward to playing Troy and GSU more and getting to know CCU. I will miss NMSU and Idaho. We were in the WAC together and have all had an interesting ride on the conference realignment roller coaster.

Overall, I would rather play the SBC teams than most of CUSA. That said I wouldn't mind the other Texas schools, LA Tech, and USM.

I think the sbc is a pretty good home for uta. the sports we have, the belt is pretty competitive in. I wish we had nmsu for all sports and a western division and maybe somiss for an eastern division. we dont have many options so the sbc is a good one in my view. our fans have a history with the western ones so mostly all is good.

The Sunbelt is an amalgamation of schools with previous ties to one another at different times in their history. Idaho, NMSU, UT Arlington and Tex State in the WAC. A State, Louisiana & NMSU in the Big West. A State, Louisiana & ULM in the Southland. App & GA So in the Southern. No wonder we tend to choose sides. Troy, Ga State, USA and Coastal are the only ones not to have a previous association to anyone else.

Ahh...the Big West days......It was pretty sad when Boise was just starting to roll. They'd go the whole year and not have a close game.

(02-14-2017 07:32 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:58 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:57 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:29 AM)slycat Wrote:  TXST AD is content in the SBC. I don't mind it but understand why a lot of our fans want CUSA (more local rivals) or MWC (better perception).

Interesting statement considering I and my fellow App fans were hammered by Texas St folks for expressing a desire for a more regionally based conference.

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The ones that post here mostly understand the SBC is better than its perception. The Bobcat message board or general sentiment is different. If they had followed FCS football closely in our Southland days they would also know App and GS were top adds. The problem is most people don't get that. They still see SBC as a basement conference and TXST getting passed by UTSA when they left the WAC and went CUSA. Which at the time everyone in the SBC was trying to get to too. It's hard being the only Texas school. I've enjoyed UL, ULM, and stAte. GS, App, and USA have been fun as well. I look forward to playing Troy and GSU more and getting to know CCU. I will miss NMSU and Idaho. We were in the WAC together and have all had an interesting ride on the conference realignment roller coaster.

Overall, I would rather play the SBC teams than most of CUSA. That said I wouldn't mind the other Texas schools, LA Tech, and USM.

I think the sbc is a pretty good home for uta. the sports we have, the belt is pretty competitive in. I wish we had nmsu for all sports and a western division and maybe somiss for an eastern division. we dont have many options so the sbc is a good one in my view. our fans have a history with the western ones so mostly all is good.

The Sunbelt is an amalgamation of schools with previous ties to one another at different times in their history. Idaho, NMSU, UT Arlington and Tex State in the WAC. A State, Louisiana & NMSU in the Big West. A State, Louisiana & ULM in the Southland. App & GA So in the Southern. No wonder we tend to choose sides. Troy, Ga State, USA and Coastal are the only ones not to have a previous association to anyone else.

Even though South Alabama is the only school that's always been in the conference, when it comes to football, I think of La., ULM, A-State, and Troy as the core, "original" of the conference. USA and Little Rock are core members for other sports. The rest are new this decade.

(02-14-2017 10:32 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:32 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:58 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:57 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Interesting statement considering I and my fellow App fans were hammered by Texas St folks for expressing a desire for a more regionally based conference.

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The ones that post here mostly understand the SBC is better than its perception. The Bobcat message board or general sentiment is different. If they had followed FCS football closely in our Southland days they would also know App and GS were top adds. The problem is most people don't get that. They still see SBC as a basement conference and TXST getting passed by UTSA when they left the WAC and went CUSA. Which at the time everyone in the SBC was trying to get to too. It's hard being the only Texas school. I've enjoyed UL, ULM, and stAte. GS, App, and USA have been fun as well. I look forward to playing Troy and GSU more and getting to know CCU. I will miss NMSU and Idaho. We were in the WAC together and have all had an interesting ride on the conference realignment roller coaster.

Overall, I would rather play the SBC teams than most of CUSA. That said I wouldn't mind the other Texas schools, LA Tech, and USM.

I think the sbc is a pretty good home for uta. the sports we have, the belt is pretty competitive in. I wish we had nmsu for all sports and a western division and maybe somiss for an eastern division. we dont have many options so the sbc is a good one in my view. our fans have a history with the western ones so mostly all is good.

The Sunbelt is an amalgamation of schools with previous ties to one another at different times in their history. Idaho, NMSU, UT Arlington and Tex State in the WAC. A State, Louisiana & NMSU in the Big West. A State, Louisiana & ULM in the Southland. App & GA So in the Southern. No wonder we tend to choose sides. Troy, Ga State, USA and Coastal are the only ones not to have a previous association to anyone else.

Even though South Alabama is the only school that's always been in the conference, when it comes to football, I think of La., ULM, A-State, and Troy as the core, "original" of the conference. USA and Little Rock are core members for other sports. The rest are new this decade.

Not so fast...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt_Conference
"The Sun Belt Conference was founded on August 4, 1976 with the University of New Orleans, the University of South Alabama, Georgia State University, Jacksonville University, the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, and the University of South Florida".
and...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Sun_Conference (formerly TAAC)
ULM ('78-'82)
Little Rock ('79-'91)
Georgia Southern ('80-'92)
Georgia State ('83-'05)
Troy ('97-'05)

(02-15-2017 12:36 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 10:32 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:32 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:58 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  The ones that post here mostly understand the SBC is better than its perception. The Bobcat message board or general sentiment is different. If they had followed FCS football closely in our Southland days they would also know App and GS were top adds. The problem is most people don't get that. They still see SBC as a basement conference and TXST getting passed by UTSA when they left the WAC and went CUSA. Which at the time everyone in the SBC was trying to get to too. It's hard being the only Texas school. I've enjoyed UL, ULM, and stAte. GS, App, and USA have been fun as well. I look forward to playing Troy and GSU more and getting to know CCU. I will miss NMSU and Idaho. We were in the WAC together and have all had an interesting ride on the conference realignment roller coaster.

Overall, I would rather play the SBC teams than most of CUSA. That said I wouldn't mind the other Texas schools, LA Tech, and USM.

I think the sbc is a pretty good home for uta. the sports we have, the belt is pretty competitive in. I wish we had nmsu for all sports and a western division and maybe somiss for an eastern division. we dont have many options so the sbc is a good one in my view. our fans have a history with the western ones so mostly all is good.

The Sunbelt is an amalgamation of schools with previous ties to one another at different times in their history. Idaho, NMSU, UT Arlington and Tex State in the WAC. A State, Louisiana & NMSU in the Big West. A State, Louisiana & ULM in the Southland. App & GA So in the Southern. No wonder we tend to choose sides. Troy, Ga State, USA and Coastal are the only ones not to have a previous association to anyone else.

Even though South Alabama is the only school that's always been in the conference, when it comes to football, I think of La., ULM, A-State, and Troy as the core, "original" of the conference. USA and Little Rock are core members for other sports. The rest are new this decade.

Not so fast...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt_Conference
"The Sun Belt Conference was founded on August 4, 1976 with the University of New Orleans, the University of South Alabama, Georgia State University, Jacksonville University, the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, and the University of South Florida".
and...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Sun_Conference (formerly TAAC)
ULM ('78-'82)
Little Rock ('79-'91)
Georgia Southern ('80-'92)
Georgia State ('83-'05)
Troy ('97-'05)

I know GSU had been in the league before, so I distinguished USA by saying that they are the only ones who has ALWAYS been there.

That was more for AppMan. I was just highlighting that even back in the early SBC and TAAC days there were connections.

(02-14-2017 01:58 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:50 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:57 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 07:29 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 05:48 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  No way I can speak for others, but it seems to me most everyone is relatively content with the Sunbelt. You have to feel for long time CUSA members like Rice, So Miss, UTEP and Marshall because the conference they joined no longer exists. It's also easy to understand their anger. Banowsky sold those schools the security of big TV revenues based on a pipe dream. Then used millions of dollars in exit fees to maintain the illusion those TV dollars were still there. Not hard to imagine the shock when the truth came out with the new TV deal.

Sunbelt teams have learned to make do with less. The guys who bolted for what they thought were greener pastures are now are back down on the ground floor lapping up a big dish of humble pie. The big dollars vanished, but not all those travel costs. Sucks for them, but they gulped down the bait and have to live with the consequences. Some Sunbelt folks might be a little more sympathetic about their plight had there not been as much boasting while they were going out the door. Look who's laughing now.

Although the Sunbelt definitely has a better model, neither conference is sustainable in its current configuration, especially on the non revenue sport side. App and GA Southern fans can't fully appreciate the extent of betrayal the rest of our conference mates feel towards the former schools. Whether or not bruised egos and hard feeling can be overcome is anybody's guess.

TXST AD is content in the SBC. I don't mind it but understand why a lot of our fans want CUSA (more local rivals) or MWC (better perception).

Interesting statement considering I and my fellow App fans were hammered by Texas St folks for expressing a desire for a more regionally based conference.

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The ones that post here mostly understand the SBC is better than its perception. The Bobcat message board or general sentiment is different. If they had followed FCS football closely in our Southland days they would also know App and GS were top adds. The problem is most people don't get that. They still see SBC as a basement conference and TXST getting passed by UTSA when they left the WAC and went CUSA. Which at the time everyone in the SBC was trying to get to too. It's hard being the only Texas school. I've enjoyed UL, ULM, and stAte. GS, App, and USA have been fun as well. I look forward to playing Troy and GSU more and getting to know CCU. I will miss NMSU and Idaho. We were in the WAC together and have all had an interesting ride on the conference realignment roller coaster.

Overall, I would rather play the SBC teams than most of CUSA. That said I wouldn't mind the other Texas schools, LA Tech, and USM.

I think the sbc is a pretty good home for uta. the sports we have, the belt is pretty competitive in. I wish we had nmsu for all sports and a western division and maybe somiss for an eastern division. we dont have many options so the sbc is a good one in my view. our fans have a history with the western ones so mostly all is good.

I think many understand TxSt situation and desire for another Texas team (or to move to a conference with some). This isn't a knock on the SBC its just a school that is looking for more regional rivals. No problem. IF TxSt ever does move I will miss the games and wish them well (hope y'all stay though).

IF the SBC could add USM and one western school (like NMSU or a good Texas school) Then that would be about as ideal as the SBC can get.
I'm not big on adding either of the F_U's. Marshall and WKU wouldn't be bad adds. I personally would like to have MTSU back in the SBC for the road trips (family in that area and would visit Nashville). Problem is we don't need to add anyone, but 2 would be the max. These schools are all eastern and don't help TxST. So USM and one western school it is.

(01-08-2017 04:32 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  But if I were to dream big...

Add Southern Miss and Marshall.


If it had to be FCS school:

JMU and UTC

Yep, JMU and UTC. Exactly whom I would invite.

(02-15-2017 07:54 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  That was more for AppMan. I was just highlighting that even back in the early SBC and TAAC days there were connections.

Sorry for the omission. Living near Charlotte I was very familiar with the Sunbelt when it formed. It was part of the explosion of D-1 non-football made for TV basketball leagues in the mid to late 70's.

Let's talk seriously for a second.

Wichita State going to the AAC is looking pretty serious. If the MVC loses them then that league is definitely lower RPI than the SBC. The SBC has been itching to add MoSt for a bit. This would be incentive for them to leave. But that wouldn't happen in a vacuum. Liberty is moving up. That breaks the normal order of things. The order JMU was perfectly happy to abide by. Now they're surrounded by FBS teams in an area they were comfortable recruiting in for football while Olympicaly the SBC and CAA are equals.


Could this be the SBC's path to 12/14?

(03-19-2017 07:56 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Let's talk seriously for a second.

Wichita State going to the AAC is looking pretty serious. If the MVC loses them then that league is definitely lower RPI than the SBC. The SBC has been itching to add MoSt for a bit. This would be incentive for them to leave. But that wouldn't happen in a vacuum. Liberty is moving up. That breaks the normal order of things. The order JMU was perfectly happy to abide by. Now they're surrounded by FBS teams in an area they were comfortable recruiting in for football while Olympicaly the SBC and CAA are equals.


Could this be the SBC's path to 12/14?

Whats the big attraction about Missouri State? They're not all that great in basketball, and they've had some awful seasons in football.

James Madison, budget and facilty-wise, has been FBS ready for most of the decade. That one I understand.

Frankly, I would be fine with zero expansion or a geographical reshuffling with CUSA schools, but that's a separate topic.

Quote:James Madison, budget and facilty-wise, has been FBS ready for most of the decade. That one I understand.

Frankly, I would be fine with zero expansion or a geographical reshuffling with CUSA schools, but that's a separate topic.

Well the CUSA reshuffle won't happen. Just won't. MoSt adds a state school in a new region. They can/do have good basketball teams and their pigskin would be no worse than GaSt from the get-go with a better ceiling.

The Belt has wanted both MoSt and JMU and current opportunities allow both to join with a plan.

(03-19-2017 07:56 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Let's talk seriously for a second.

Wichita State going to the AAC is looking pretty serious. If the MVC loses them then that league is definitely lower RPI than the SBC. The SBC has been itching to add MoSt for a bit. This would be incentive for them to leave. But that wouldn't happen in a vacuum. Liberty is moving up. That breaks the normal order of things. The order JMU was perfectly happy to abide by. Now they're surrounded by FBS teams in an area they were comfortable recruiting in for football while Olympicaly the SBC and CAA are equals.


Could this be the SBC's path to 12/14?

Where Missouri State is now as a hoops program, they obviously don't have the juice to come in unless it is to get to 12/14

I think we've established the presidents don't want Liberty.

The only known willings are Jax State which won't happen because they are too close to GaSt and yet another Bama school. EKU which I think everyone is leery of their circumstances, and NMSU who might get traction as a 12/14 despite geography but not if MoSt is 11/13

JMU may well hold they key for Missouri State.

(03-19-2017 08:55 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 07:56 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Let's talk seriously for a second.

Wichita State going to the AAC is looking pretty serious. If the MVC loses them then that league is definitely lower RPI than the SBC. The SBC has been itching to add MoSt for a bit. This would be incentive for them to leave. But that wouldn't happen in a vacuum. Liberty is moving up. That breaks the normal order of things. The order JMU was perfectly happy to abide by. Now they're surrounded by FBS teams in an area they were comfortable recruiting in for football while Olympicaly the SBC and CAA are equals.


Could this be the SBC's path to 12/14?

Whats the big attraction about Missouri State? They're not all that great in basketball, and they've had some awful seasons in football.

James Madison, budget and facilty-wise, has been FBS ready for most of the decade. That one I understand.

Frankly, I would be fine with zero expansion or a geographical reshuffling with CUSA schools, but that's a separate topic.

Bears are a great travel fit for the west, historically good in baseball, basketball and women's hoops. Now currently hoops are on a skid and didn't do themselves any favors retaining their coach.

Would rather not add. None of the schools mentioned has any interest for me.

I just feel in 3-5 years of stable conference with the additions of JMU and MoSt then SBC would hopskip the MWC as the AAC junior (MWC)

No thanks to anyone who is not part of FBS already. I do not think we should accept anymore FCS schools. If we add these two schools will our tv dollars go up? I know we get very little as it is but we need to keep as much as possible for our schools. Let C-USA have them if they wanna move up.

I'd like Missouri State with UT Arlington football. Wouldn't bother with James Madison anymore since they thought the Sun Belt was beneath them.