(03-12-2017 05:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  In 2 years, we will have been together long enough to legally split and drop the dead weight. You need 5 teams together for 5 years to start a conference. MTSU, WKU, Marshall, ODU, UAB and bring along Charlotte, LA Tech, and USM. That could be a pretty good 8-team conference in both sports. Basketball schedule would be balanced and everyone plays each other in football.

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A better way to form a conference that could contend for the title of "Top G5 Conference" would be to set standards for any team looking to be included.

1st- Agree to only sign "home and home" football series with P5s
2nd- Set a facilities standard (have or building Indoor Practice Center,....)
3rd- Set RPI standards in basketball scheduling
4th- Set a minimum standard for athletic budgets ($40M)

If every program in C-USA could work to achieve some of these standards, we'd probably all be in better shape, and wouldn't have talk about forming a new conference.

I've never been in a conference that didn't blame it's commissioner for everything.

(03-12-2017 08:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 05:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  In 2 years, we will have been together long enough to legally split and drop the dead weight. You need 5 teams together for 5 years to start a conference. MTSU, WKU, Marshall, ODU, UAB and bring along Charlotte, LA Tech, and USM. That could be a pretty good 8-team conference in both sports. Basketball schedule would be balanced and everyone plays each other in football.

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A 8 team conference does not make for a balance schedule. You need 9 for that to play a 16 and 8 game schedule. Then you lose the conference championship game in football....

I'm sure the presidents in CUSA kind of like having at least 1 Fla. school in the conference.

Add two teams you pick them and I'm in. I would like one Florida team for recruiting purpose. But if I get 80% of what I want I can compromise.

If it was up to me, it'd be 12 teams consisting mostly of Southern schools in small cities or rural areas. Couple exceptions like UAB and Rice.

East: Marshall, App, UAB, Georgia Southern, MTSU, WKU
West: USA, USM, ULL, Tech, Arkansas State, Rice

I highly doubt Rice would come along (would probably beg the MWC to take them) but I have a soft spot for them because of baseball. I know it's non-revenue, but I care. This would definitely be a better football league, little better hoops, and a top 4-5 baseball league. If Rice is a no-go, throw in ODU.

I don't think she's the right person for the job. I don't know if anyone can do a better job. Best suggestion, get long time ESPN producer Dan Shoemaker at the helm no matter the cost. He's a Marshall guy. He loves CUSA. He knows everybody in sports media. He'll probably say no, but flash some cash at that guy anyway. We need someone to predict the way the the cards will fall rather than react to it. He has a lot of experience making those calls.

(03-12-2017 10:10 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  If it was up to me, it'd be 12 teams consisting mostly of Southern schools in small cities or rural areas. Couple exceptions like UAB and Rice.

East: Marshall, App, UAB, Georgia Southern, MTSU, WKU
West: USA, USM, ULL, Tech, Arkansas State, Rice

I highly doubt Rice would come along (would probably beg the MWC to take them) but I have a soft spot for them because of baseball. I know it's non-revenue, but I care. This would definitely be a better football league, little better hoops, and a top 4-5 baseball league. If Rice is a no-go, throw in ODU.

UAB needs to be west without Texas. Give us ODU for UAB, put UAB where Rice is and hope Rice gets a good MWC deal or drop Ark St because they don't want to be here anyway. The conference is better with ODU in it, imo, and that will only grow.

I am appalled that Conference USA didn't get a single invite to the NIT this season. Like some of you, I'm willing to give the new commissioner a chance to bring some viability to our league, but make no mistake, this is a to our Conference where basketball is concerned. Louisiana Tech should have gotten invited, if no one else. Did Marshall's run to the Conference championship game somehow hurt our Conference's status, postseason-wise? By the way, I was at some of the games this past week, and had a blast. Enjoyed the games I saw, even the one blowout I witnessed at the BJCC was impressive.

(03-12-2017 05:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  In 2 years, we will have been together long enough to legally split and drop the dead weight. You need 5 teams together for 5 years to start a conference. MTSU, WKU, Marshall, ODU, UAB and bring along Charlotte, LA Tech, and USM. That could be a pretty good 8-team conference in both sports. Basketball schedule would be balanced and everyone plays each other in football.

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Yep. And probably attractive enough to lure App St and a GSU bringing a football power and a good basketball team. I would like that conference. Our RPIs would definitely be improved if we scheduled smart OOC.

(03-13-2017 07:26 AM)Matrix Wrote:  I am appalled that Conference USA didn't get a single invite to the NIT this season. Like some of you, I'm willing to give the new commissioner a chance to bring some viability to our league, but make no mistake, this is a to our Conference where basketball is concerned. Louisiana Tech should have gotten invited, if no one else. Did Marshall's run to the Conference championship game somehow hurt our Conference's status, postseason-wise? By the way, I was at some of the games this past week, and had a blast. Enjoyed the games I saw, even the one blowout I witnessed at the BJCC was impressive.

How was La. TEch ever going to the NIT with an RPI of 117? I am sure they were not even apart of the last 24 teams discussed for last spot....We were ranked 23rd as a conference this season....La.Tech non conf. schedule was horrendous, wow....Played Alabama St., MDEshore, Oklahoma Baptist, SE Lousiana, Alcorn, Prarie View and Grambling, that is really bad and embarrassing to buy home games like that.....Looks like La. Tech just bought home games....Eye ball test I think the would do ok, but man you have to schedule better then that to be in consideration for anything, that is horrible non conference...

(03-13-2017 08:57 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 07:26 AM)Matrix Wrote:  I am appalled that Conference USA didn't get a single invite to the NIT this season. Like some of you, I'm willing to give the new commissioner a chance to bring some viability to our league, but make no mistake, this is a to our Conference where basketball is concerned. Louisiana Tech should have gotten invited, if no one else. Did Marshall's run to the Conference championship game somehow hurt our Conference's status, postseason-wise? By the way, I was at some of the games this past week, and had a blast. Enjoyed the games I saw, even the one blowout I witnessed at the BJCC was impressive.

How was La. TEch ever going to the NIT with an RPI of 117? I am sure they were not even apart of the last 24 teams discussed for last spot....We were ranked 23rd as a conference this season....La.Tech non conf. schedule was horrendous, wow....Played Alabama St., MDEshore, Oklahoma Baptist, SE Lousiana, Alcorn, Prarie View and Grambling, that is really bad and embarrassing to buy home games like that.....Looks like La. Tech just bought home games....Eye ball test I think the would do ok, but man you have to schedule better then that to be in consideration for anything, that is horrible non conference...

#91 in KenPom, 14 teams below that made the tourney. Tech did play a bad schedule But also had the highest scoring margin in the reg season


CUSA
#48 MTSU
#91 Tech
#122 ODU
#150 Marshall
#154 Rice
#196 UAB
#202 UTEP

RPI solution: STOP scheduling Dll schools! This could be a commissioner decision but C-USA teams cannot continue to play these RPI killing games. It's pathetic. I don't know why the commissioner allows this. Every year I run through all of the cusa schedules and I see 5+ teams that have multiple division 2 opponents and some are actually losing games to sub 300 teams and Dll schools. It's literally killing the conference.

(03-13-2017 01:25 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  RPI solution: STOP scheduling Dll schools! This could be a commissioner decision but C-USA teams cannot continue to play these RPI killing games. It's pathetic. I don't know why the commissioner allows this. Every year I run through all of the cusa schedules and I see 5+ teams that have multiple division 2 opponents and some are actually losing games to sub 300 teams and Dll schools. It's literally killing the conference.

CUSA itself had 3 300+ RPI teams. That is a much bigger problem than scheduling.

We were the 24th ranked conference. The CAA was 13th. Want to know the difference?

MTSU 48; UNCW 60
LT 91; Charlesfon 86
ODU 122; Towson 116
Marshall 150; W&M 132
Rice 154; Northeasrern 157
UAB 196; Hoftra 183
UTEP 202; JMU 220
WKY 233; Drexel 247
Charlotte 235
UTSA 252
FAU 280
Southern Miss 331
FIU 338
North Texas 339

Our top 9 matches up almost perfectly with the CAA. Then there are our bottom 5. Has little to do with scheduling. If our bottom 5 would actually win the D2 and 300+ RPI games, they would finish in the same range as our top 9 and the CAA schools.

(03-13-2017 01:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 01:25 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  RPI solution: STOP scheduling Dll schools! This could be a commissioner decision but C-USA teams cannot continue to play these RPI killing games. It's pathetic. I don't know why the commissioner allows this. Every year I run through all of the cusa schedules and I see 5+ teams that have multiple division 2 opponents and some are actually losing games to sub 300 teams and Dll schools. It's literally killing the conference.

CUSA itself had 3 300+ RPI teams. That is a much bigger problem than scheduling.

We were the 24th ranked conference. The CAA was 13th. Want to know the difference?

MTSU 48; UNCW 60
LT 91; Charlesfon 86
ODU 122; Towson 116
Marshall 150; W&M 132
Rice 154; Northeasrern 157
UAB 196; Hoftra 183
UTEP 202; JMU 220
WKY 233; Drexel 247
Charlotte 235
UTSA 252
FAU 280
Southern Miss 331
FIU 338
North Texas 339

Our top 9 matches up almost perfectly with the CAA. Then there are our bottom 5. Has little to do with scheduling. If our bottom 5 would actually win the D2 and 300+ RPI games, they would finish in the same range as our top 9 and the CAA schools.

It does stem from scheduling, ODU and WKU were the only 2 teams in the league not to play a D2 team. Every other team had at least 1 win and most actually had 2 wins against D2 competition. If you take away those games and C-USA teams actually play some competition we might start to raise our RPI.

(03-12-2017 09:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  1st- Agree to only sign "home and home" football series with P5s

Again, I'm not a fan of forcing this.. again, we got paid handsomely for some of our 'money games" (they're no longer body-bag games IMO in today's world.)

Quote:2nd- Set a facilities standard (have or building Indoor Practice Center,....)

But how do you come up with a monetary standard for this?

Quote:3rd- Set RPI standards in basketball scheduling

We've been arguing this forever..

Quote:4th- Set a minimum standard for athletic budgets ($40M)

And if you live in a state that forces rules for athletic budget spending?

Quote:RPI solution: STOP scheduling Dll schools! This could be a commissioner decision but C-USA teams cannot continue to play these RPI killing games

Again, DII schools do not affect your RPI (A loss might count though, not sure).

(this is a reprint from a story about Georgia Tech.. and I know this written in the NCAA rules somewhere)

Quote:For the Division I team, it has the benefit of counting toward its record but not its RPI score, where a game against a lower-tier mid-major could hurt its RPI.

And if you scheduling a DII school, you're expecting to win (or in a total rebuilding mode (see USM)... Again, I would say that if you have to do DII/NAIA schools.. ONLY 1 and it must be at your home.

(03-12-2017 07:38 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Need to add one more for scheduling purposes and to avoid adding a 5th ooc in fb

OOC games are pretty much the lifeblood of USM football, though.

(03-13-2017 04:06 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 07:38 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Need to add one more for scheduling purposes and to avoid adding a 5th ooc in fb

OOC games are pretty much the lifeblood of USM football, though.

If so you wouldn't think S. Miss would be playing a FCS school 6 out the last 8 seasons. Maybe 7 out of 8, I don't believe Teas St was full FBS in 2013

This is not 15 years ago when there were a lot less FBS G5 schools and a team like S. Miss could be a lot more picky. Today those P5 schools that use to schedule S. Miss have a lot more choices to choose from. That is why S. Miss has played a FCS school 7 out of the last 8 years. I only looked at 8 so it could go back longer

People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

(03-13-2017 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

So are you saying she is doing a good job?

(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  People actually think the TV deal tanked because Judy didn't stomp her feet and pitch enough of a fit to get ESPN and ASN to realize what a gem they had with TV rights to all of CUSA's great media markets?

So are you saying she is doing a good job?

Let me ask you a question....

what exactly would you have done? The numbers and support is not there to sell this conference. I don't understand why that is so hard for some people to figure out. You can't force someone to pay you when there is very little value to be had.

As for not being on TV more often...NOTHING is stopping ODU from putting out their own content that is not picked up by CUSA's contract. Western does this and most games are on Fox College Sports. We always seem to want to blame others for our own weaknesses. If your school has value...someone will show it. Might not make any money but it will get shown.

(03-12-2017 08:49 PM)RougeDawg Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 08:33 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Add ULaLa to that conference and I'm a-okay.

Add South Alabama too.

Only needed one and I want a program who brings success.