Kevin Keatts
2014-2015 18-14 (T-1st in CAA) - 20th in RPI CAA
2015-2016 25-8 (T-1st in CAA) NCAA Tournament Birth - 9th in RPI CAA
2016-2017 29-5 (1st in CAA) NCAA Tournament Birth - 11th in RPI CAA
Jeff Jones
2013-2014 18-18 (6th in CUSA) - 13th in RPI CUSA
2014-2015 27-8 (T-2nd in CUSA) - 16th in RPI CUSA
2015-2016 25-13 (T-3rd in CUSA) - 21st in RPI CUSA
2016-2016 19-12 (T-3rd in CUSA) - 23rd in RPI CUSA
*RPI is from Warren Nolan's website
No question Camden Wood Selig blew this hire. We took a retread with absolutely no resume whatsoever at American.
Let's look at it:
1. Jones managed to only get to (2) TWO NCAA Tournament Games in 13 seasons at American.
2. Jones was coming off of a 10-20 season before we hired him.
3. Jones had 4 losing seasons at American.
4. Jones finished T-1st or 1st only 4 times in that conference.
Let's not forget Camden's gaff to the media when we were in the process of hiring Blaine's replacement. He wanted a "Hard working, maybe young coach, who would work hard, knows the area and would bring excitement back to the Ted Constant Center." Selig then goes on to hire the exact opposite. A guy who is past his prime and brings absolutely zero excitement.
Keatts wanted to come here and obviously would have brought excitement back to the fan base.
We all know what Selig did. He hired the cheap, familiar, and vanilla Coach in Jones. Folks, as they say, "You get what you pay for." We sure are seeing that happen right in front of our eyes.
False. MTSU got there with the dregs this year. We were near the top 50 2 years ago and would have gotten there without the midseason bad losses. We would have been top 100 this year if a. we didn't lose 2 games to the dregs and b. we hit a few more FTs at Atlantis. The RPI expectations are very realistic. Just takes less choking and motivating the team to get up for big games.
When was the last season, under any coach, that we didn't drop 1-2 games that we shouldn't have? In the old CAA, we had some flexibility to lose to a sub-150 team and still stay in the Top 50. There were only 2-3 teams that dropped our RPI even after a win. In CUSA, HALF the teams we play have a sub-200 RPI. Throw in a handful of OOC warm-up games, and you get a SOS of 180.
False. MTSU got there with the dregs this year. We were near the top 50 2 years ago and would have gotten there without the midseason bad losses. We would have been top 100 this year if a. we didn't lose 2 games to the dregs and b. we hit a few more FTs at Atlantis. The RPI expectations are very realistic. Just takes less choking and motivating the team to get up for big games.
When was the last season, under any coach, that we didn't drop 1-2 games that we shouldn't have? In the old CAA, we had some flexibility to lose to a sub-150 team and still stay in the Top 50. There were only 2-3 teams that dropped our RPI even after a win. In CUSA, HALF the teams we play have a sub-200 RPI. Throw in a handful of OOC warm-up games, and you get a SOS of 180.
There is a difference between losing games you shouldn't lose (ie Charlotte, Marshall, W&M) and losing to the dregs (ie UTSA and FAU). BT's teams rarely lost to dregs, certainly not 1-2 per year.
False. MTSU got there with the dregs this year. We were near the top 50 2 years ago and would have gotten there without the midseason bad losses. We would have been top 100 this year if a. we didn't lose 2 games to the dregs and b. we hit a few more FTs at Atlantis. The RPI expectations are very realistic. Just takes less choking and motivating the team to get up for big games.
When was the last season, under any coach, that we didn't drop 1-2 games that we shouldn't have? In the old CAA, we had some flexibility to lose to a sub-150 team and still stay in the Top 50. There were only 2-3 teams that dropped our RPI even after a win. In CUSA, HALF the teams we play have a sub-200 RPI. Throw in a handful of OOC warm-up games, and you get a SOS of 180.
There is a difference between losing games you shouldn't lose (ie Charlotte, Marshall, W&M) and losing to the dregs (ie UTSA and FAU). BT's teams rarely lost to dregs, certainly not 1-2 per year.
Ah, we need to be better overall because there are always going to be games that you lose when you shouldn't have. But, this is revisionist history.
I remember losing to Deleware in 2010. The 08 team (I think) lost to Bucknell, Georgia State, and Marshall. The 06 lost to JMU.
It didnt happen as much because we were a better team back then, but it certainly happens.
Obviously some of us feel the cup is half full while others feel the cup is shattered. I think everyone can agree that 5 years is long enough to build a program and therefore he will be owning the outcome. JJ seemed to out perform in years one and two but has been disappointing in years three and four. Next year it should be the tournament or bust.
In fairness to AD Selig; yes, we replaced legend Wendy Larry and BT on the cheap.
Football assistants are going to start leaving as well.
Had JJ and/or Barefoot worked out WS would have looked like a genius. If one or both didn't, then we get someone else. No big deal.
This was all completely fixable until Kirkland Cox.
Complaints to the contrary, ODU had and has, many more student applicants than attendees. Increases in tuition and student fees would likely have kept some from attending, but it would have made no difference in our enrollment, and thus our ability to expand athletically. (The Cox Bill SHOULD have only regulated increases for students already enrolled, thus taking the potential of increased burden off of them, but that is another issue and water over the dam).
Now we are under some financial pressure. Nothing catastrophic as it relates to the status quo, but certainly there is little room for improvement of facilities or personnel.
Whether WS would have fixed these issues is unknown, but until Cox he could have.
But now....
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False. MTSU got there with the dregs this year. We were near the top 50 2 years ago and would have gotten there without the midseason bad losses. We would have been top 100 this year if a. we didn't lose 2 games to the dregs and b. we hit a few more FTs at Atlantis. The RPI expectations are very realistic. Just takes less choking and motivating the team to get up for big games.
When was the last season, under any coach, that we didn't drop 1-2 games that we shouldn't have? In the old CAA, we had some flexibility to lose to a sub-150 team and still stay in the Top 50. There were only 2-3 teams that dropped our RPI even after a win. In CUSA, HALF the teams we play have a sub-200 RPI. Throw in a handful of OOC warm-up games, and you get a SOS of 180.
There is a difference between losing games you shouldn't lose (ie Charlotte, Marshall, W&M) and losing to the dregs (ie UTSA and FAU). BT's teams rarely lost to dregs, certainly not 1-2 per year.
Ah, we need to be better overall because there are always going to be games that you lose when you shouldn't have. But, this is revisionist history.
I remember losing to Deleware in 2010. The 08 team (I think) lost to Bucknell, Georgia State, and Marshall. The 06 lost to JMU.
It didnt happen as much because we were a better team back then, but it certainly happens.
Not revisionist history at all. I said they rarely lost to dregs, not that they never lost to them. The JMU loss was simply awful and I was shocked we got an at large that year. Delaware loss was bad, but not at the same level. They were 14-17 that year, not far off from UTEP this year. The '08 team was young and lost some bad ones OOC, but got it together for conference play and finished strong. Their only loss in the last 12 games was to VCU in the CAA semis, it was close, and I believe that was the year VCU went on to beat Duke in the NCAAs.
Yeah, so you're conceding that we lose at least 1-2 games that we shouldn't? Or you're acknowledging that we HAVE lost 1-2 games that we shouldn't while still maintaining that we DON'T lose 1-2 games that we shouldn't? (Because the second option is ridiculous.)
I think Selig should adopt the George Costanza attitude of doing the OPPOSITE of what you think is right. Because if every decision you make is wrong...the opposite would have to be right.
(03-10-2017 12:44 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote: In fairness to AD Selig; yes, we replaced legend Wendy Larry and BT on the cheap.
Football assistants are going to start leaving as well.
Had JJ and/or Barefoot worked out WS would have looked like a genius. If one or both didn't, then we get someone else. No big deal.
This was all completely fixable until Kirkland Cox.
Complaints to the contrary, ODU had and has, many more student applicants than attendees. Increases in tuition and student fees would likely have kept some from attending, but it would have made no difference in our enrollment, and thus our ability to expand athletically. (The Cox Bill SHOULD have only regulated increases for students already enrolled, thus taking the potential of increased burden off of them, but that is another issue and water over the dam).
Now we are under some financial pressure. Nothing catastrophic as it relates to the status quo, but certainly there is little room for improvement of facilities or personnel.
Whether WS would have fixed these issues is unknown, but until Cox he could have.
But now....
Your premise is based on the idea that JJ and KB had a better than even chance of working out. I would say that, from my perspective, it was obvious that neither would work out from day 1.
(03-10-2017 12:58 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote: I think Selig should adopt the George Costanza attitude of doing the OPPOSITE of what you think is right. Because if every decision you make is wrong...the opposite would have to be right.
I proclaim this the Summer of George!
(This post was last modified: 03-10-2017 01:21 PM by CameramanJ.)
I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.
Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?
In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.
One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.
Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.
(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.
Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?
In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.
One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.
Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.
Without any inside knowledge of this, I would imagine hiring anyone in connection to the mess at Louisville, following the disaster of Blaine's final season, would have been a really hard sell.
(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.
Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?
In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.
One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.
Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.
That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.
(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.
Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?
In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.
One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.
Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.
That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.
Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.
(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.
Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?
In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.
One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.
Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.
That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.
Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.
Believe me, it hadn't broken in the news yet, but I'm POSITIVE it had broken in the AD circle.
I can tell you things that will likely get about 1/3 of my competitors in trouble long before the regulatory powers take action.
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(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.
Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?
In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.
One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.
Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.
That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.
Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.
Believe me, it hadn't broken in the news yet, but I'm POSITIVE it had broken in the AD circle.
I can tell you things that will likely get about 1/3 of my competitors in trouble long before the regulatory powers take action.
(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.
Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?
In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.
One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.
Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.
That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.
Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.
Everyone? Everyone? I didn't bring it up. Aren't you one of those who says we low-balled Keats (I could be wrong). If yes, answer my questions, please.
(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.
Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?
In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.
One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.
Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.
That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.
Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.
Everyone? Everyone? I didn't bring it up. Aren't you one of those who says we low-balled Keats (I could be wrong). If yes, answer my questions, please.
I clearly said I did not know where the breakdown was. I offered a couple different theories as to what may have happened. What I do know is that he was considered and that he was interested. As I said in my previous post, something broke down whether it was a lowball offer, the fact that he was the 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice, or some other reason.
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The official Wood Selig hot seat thread
