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(03-10-2017 02:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

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(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.

Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?

In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.

One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.

Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.

That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.

Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.

Believe me, it hadn't broken in the news yet, but I'm POSITIVE it had broken in the AD circle.

I can tell you things that will likely get about 1/3 of my competitors in trouble long before the regulatory powers take action.

I am going to pass on taking your word for it,

If the day ever comes that you're at the highest level in your field, you'll know what I'm talking about.

(03-10-2017 03:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 03:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 02:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 01:29 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I'd like to explore this once and for all. Several people have said that we low-balled Keats.

Questions: What was his asking price?
What were we offering?

In addition, ODU has had a forever philosophy for hiring nothing but head coaches, at least in men's basketball. I don't know why that is, but Webb, Young, Purnell and on down the line have been head coaches. Does that philosophy come from the very top, as in Broderick? I don't know, but I've said it before, as told to me by people at the university. Broderick would rather be AD than president. His fingerprints are on everything athletic.

One other thing to consider: Given the state of the program when Blaine left, I could see the search committee -- the one that approved Jones -- saying we needed a guy with head coaching experience to get us out of this, not someone who's been a lieutenant.

Not saying any of this is gospel, but it certainly could have played into the school's thinking. That said, Jeff's got one year left for me.

That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.

Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.

Everyone? Everyone? I didn't bring it up. Aren't you one of those who says we low-balled Keats (I could be wrong). If yes, answer my questions, please.

I clearly said I did not know where the breakdown was. I offered a couple different theories as to what may have happened. What I do know is that he was considered and that he was interested. As I said in my previous post, something broke down whether it was a lowball offer, the fact that he was the 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice, or some other reason.

blue, not sure where you made that statement. It's not on this thread. Not asking you to prove it, just saying I can't find it.

(03-10-2017 03:42 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 03:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

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(03-10-2017 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 02:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.

Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.

Everyone? Everyone? I didn't bring it up. Aren't you one of those who says we low-balled Keats (I could be wrong). If yes, answer my questions, please.

I clearly said I did not know where the breakdown was. I offered a couple different theories as to what may have happened. What I do know is that he was considered and that he was interested. As I said in my previous post, something broke down whether it was a lowball offer, the fact that he was the 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice, or some other reason.

blue, not sure where you made that statement. It's not on this thread. Not asking you to prove it, just saying I can't find it.

FWIW...Keatts was never considered for the job therefore he was never offered.in any way

(03-10-2017 03:42 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 03:30 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 03:00 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 02:40 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 02:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  That all may very well have happened, but the fact that it happened does not mean the decision makers got it right.

Everyone keeps bringing up the Louisville scandal, but it hadn't broken yet.

Everyone? Everyone? I didn't bring it up. Aren't you one of those who says we low-balled Keats (I could be wrong). If yes, answer my questions, please.

I clearly said I did not know where the breakdown was. I offered a couple different theories as to what may have happened. What I do know is that he was considered and that he was interested. As I said in my previous post, something broke down whether it was a lowball offer, the fact that he was the 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice, or some other reason.

blue, not sure where you made that statement. It's not on this thread. Not asking you to prove it, just saying I can't find it.

I was posting up a storm last night haha. I am not sure which of these threads it is in, but its in one of them.

Gotcha. I understand. I just spent last night in the dark, head bowed and miserable. We all have our coping mechanisms.

There's a lot of "woulda, shoulda, coulda" with respect to who we could have hired. That's fine. But that's water under the bridge.

We now have Jeff Jones, so the question is "now what?" For me (and it seems to be a growing sentiment here), either we go dancing next year or it's time to part ways with JJ and staff.

(03-10-2017 04:31 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Gotcha. I understand. I just spent last night in the dark, head bowed and miserable. We all have our coping mechanisms.

Ha. So true.

(03-10-2017 04:31 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Gotcha. I understand. I just spent last night in the dark, head bowed and miserable. We all have our coping mechanisms.

I turned everything off and went to bed, hoping to dream of next year.

Just a thought, if you get rid of the men's staff there is a chance you could lose one of the best players that has signed in a while. Just a thought.

(03-10-2017 05:05 PM)elon77 Wrote:  Just a thought, if you get rid of the men's staff there is a chance you could lose one of the best players that has signed in a while. Just a thought.

He ain't worth much if we don't have someone who can coach him... and I doubt we would lose these guys... and there is ZERO chance that we are firing anybody before the end of next season.

(03-10-2017 05:05 PM)elon77 Wrote:  Just a thought, if you get rid of the men's staff there is a chance you could lose one of the best players that has signed in a while. Just a thought.

We'll see how good he is (Are you referring to Green or Hueitt?)

How may year's should JJ have to reach the NCAA's before we pull the chain?

With the addition of Hueitt and Godwin, the staff has a total of 6 freshmen recruits in 4 years. That's not good enough either.

There is no more worthless commentary on here than number of freshman vs transfer players.

(03-10-2017 05:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  There is no more worthless commentary on here than number of freshman vs transfer players.

Other than the fact that we aren't able to land enough recruits out of high school. I think we've reached our ceiling as far as building a program with transfers.

(03-10-2017 05:20 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  There is no more worthless commentary on here than number of freshman vs transfer players.

Other than the fact that we aren't able to land enough recruits out of high school. I think we've reached our ceiling as far as building a program with transfers.

Why cant we get more transfers?

(03-10-2017 05:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:20 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 05:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  There is no more worthless commentary on here than number of freshman vs transfer players.

Other than the fact that we aren't able to land enough recruits out of high school. I think we've reached our ceiling as far as building a program with transfers.

Why cant we get more transfers?

Let's just say it's not working out too well. Maybe we should try recruiting freshman and actually rebuild the program.

I respectfully disagree with the comment about reaching our ceiling with transfers. I would take try Freeman, both Stith brothers, and Trey Porter anytime. How often does a transfer become a bust? Not Juco players, just D1 transfers.

Over the years I think of others like Andre McCollum and Clifton Jones who were also very good. Even going back old school to Wilson Washington and Chris Gatling who were both transfers.

Yeah, I am okay with transfers, that's just a reality of today's games. I am not okay with the number of JUCOs we have brought in though.

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Transfers are fine, but you can't build a program with them. My point is that JJ and staff aren't getting the job done in recruiting.

(03-10-2017 07:06 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Transfers are fine, but you can't build a program with them. My point is that JJ and staff aren't getting the job done in recruiting.

Agreed

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(03-10-2017 06:31 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  I respectfully disagree with the comment about reaching our ceiling with transfers. I would take try Freeman, both Stith brothers, and Trey Porter anytime. How often does a transfer become a bust? Not Juco players, just D1 transfers.

Over the years I think of others like Andre McCollum and Clifton Jones who were also very good. Even going back old school to Wilson Washington and Chris Gatling who were both transfers.

and the CUSA player of the year