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Congratulations to the former Monarch and current starter for the UNCW squad that just won the CAA tournament and will be playing in the NCAAT.

Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

Boom !! Right on point ! I am not saying JJ was a better choice, but at that time we needed a coach that was a solid coach, and could offer us some longer term stability. Granted we haven't gotten to the NCAAs yet .....

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

That is what can be achieved when you don't always make the safe choice.

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(03-07-2017 08:35 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

Boom !! Right on point ! I am not saying JJ was a better choice, but at that time we needed a coach that was a solid coach, and could offer us some longer term stability. Granted we haven't gotten to the NCAAs yet .....

Sooo you are somehow saying that JJ was a better choice? I guess you think we made the right choice picking BT over Gregg Marshall too, right?

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(03-07-2017 08:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:28 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts heading to his second NCAA tournament as well. What could have, would have, should have been.

Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

That is what can be achieved when you don't always make the safe choice.

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No doubt. But, with the wrong choice, we could have really set the program back for years. Jones nearly took us to the NCAA tournament in his second year (and you could argue we deserved a bid that year), and now has clearly stabilized the program and given us hope for a bid in the near future. If we don't go dancing in the next couple of years, he should be gone, for sure. But, as I see it, we have a 11% chance (according to KenPom) of winning it all this weekend. I'm patient enough to see how it plays out.

(03-07-2017 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Yep...he will be someplace else in 2-3 months.

Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

That is what can be achieved when you don't always make the safe choice.

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No doubt. But, with the wrong choice, we could have really set the program back for years. Jones nearly took us to the NCAA tournament in his second year (and you could argue we deserved a bid that year), and now has clearly stabilized the program and given us hope for a bid in the near future. If we don't go dancing in the next couple of years, he should be gone, for sure. But, as I see it, we have a 22% chance (according to KenPom) of winning it all this weekend. I'm patient enough to see how it plays out.

I suppose SOMEONE could really have set the program back, but they would have had to be REALLY bad. So bad that somebody who does an even decent job of evaluating coaches should be able to avoid. I would argue that JJ has done nothing more than let the program achieve its natural state. I think the state of the program after one awful year is extremely overstated. I don't believe it was nearly as perilous as some others. If we ever get a chance to move on from JJ I really hope we can finally hire a coach based on the potential ceiling rather than focusing on the floor.

(03-07-2017 09:03 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:15 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Probably with another solid coach to slide into his place. That's what happens when your University invests in its coaches, they may leave for a higher position but you're also getting great candidates for the next hire. Something we don't really know about...

Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

That is what can be achieved when you don't always make the safe choice.

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No doubt. But, with the wrong choice, we could have really set the program back for years. Jones nearly took us to the NCAA tournament in his second year (and you could argue we deserved a bid that year), and now has clearly stabilized the program and given us hope for a bid in the near future. If we don't go dancing in the next couple of years, he should be gone, for sure. But, as I see it, we have a 22% chance (according to KenPom) of winning it all this weekend. I'm patient enough to see how it plays out.

I suppose SOMEONE could really have set the program back, but they would have had to be REALLY bad. So bad that somebody who does an even decent job of evaluating coaches should be able to avoid. I would argue that JJ has done nothing more than let the program achieve its natural state. I think the state of the program after one awful year is extremely overstated. I don't believe it was nearly as perilous as some others. If we ever get a chance to move on from JJ I really hope we can finally hire a coach based on the potential ceiling rather than focusing on the floor.

I really hope you are right. You would think your second statement would be true, but it's not always the case...

Once a Monarch, always a Monarch. Good for Mosley, good guy, with a great smile.

(03-07-2017 09:13 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Once a Monarch, always a Monarch. Good for Mosley, good guy, with a great smile.

Absolutely. He still has an affinity for ODU, and many here still have an affinity for him.

(03-07-2017 09:12 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 09:03 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

That is what can be achieved when you don't always make the safe choice.

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No doubt. But, with the wrong choice, we could have really set the program back for years. Jones nearly took us to the NCAA tournament in his second year (and you could argue we deserved a bid that year), and now has clearly stabilized the program and given us hope for a bid in the near future. If we don't go dancing in the next couple of years, he should be gone, for sure. But, as I see it, we have a 22% chance (according to KenPom) of winning it all this weekend. I'm patient enough to see how it plays out.

I suppose SOMEONE could really have set the program back, but they would have had to be REALLY bad. So bad that somebody who does an even decent job of evaluating coaches should be able to avoid. I would argue that JJ has done nothing more than let the program achieve its natural state. I think the state of the program after one awful year is extremely overstated. I don't believe it was nearly as perilous as some others. If we ever get a chance to move on from JJ I really hope we can finally hire a coach based on the potential ceiling rather than focusing on the floor.

I really hope you are right. You would think your second statement would be true, but it's not always the case...

We have to invest the money. You generally get what you pay for. For what we are paying JJ, it was actually a good pick. Safe, yes, but when you are paying less than what high major top assistants are getting paid, we really had no choice but to get someone from a low major and when you do that, you are usually better off going with experience. Bottom line is we either couldn't afford Keatts or weren't willing to afford him. The more money you will pay, the better the options you have. Simple supply and demand. My issue was that we downgraded the position. Blaine was making around $1M. Huge cut.

Congratulations to Ambrose Mosley! That is all.

Jones did get us to the top 25 and should have had us in the NCAA with a player who transferred in as well (Trey F.) I would trade him for 2 NCAA tournaments in a second though.

Happy for Mosley, but I always thought that him being suspended last year cost us a few wins and potentially a trip to the dance. He was great coming off the bench and hitting 3's. We didn't have anyone on the team who could do that consistently.

(03-07-2017 09:24 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 09:12 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 09:03 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  That is what can be achieved when you don't always make the safe choice.

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No doubt. But, with the wrong choice, we could have really set the program back for years. Jones nearly took us to the NCAA tournament in his second year (and you could argue we deserved a bid that year), and now has clearly stabilized the program and given us hope for a bid in the near future. If we don't go dancing in the next couple of years, he should be gone, for sure. But, as I see it, we have a 22% chance (according to KenPom) of winning it all this weekend. I'm patient enough to see how it plays out.

I suppose SOMEONE could really have set the program back, but they would have had to be REALLY bad. So bad that somebody who does an even decent job of evaluating coaches should be able to avoid. I would argue that JJ has done nothing more than let the program achieve its natural state. I think the state of the program after one awful year is extremely overstated. I don't believe it was nearly as perilous as some others. If we ever get a chance to move on from JJ I really hope we can finally hire a coach based on the potential ceiling rather than focusing on the floor.

I really hope you are right. You would think your second statement would be true, but it's not always the case...

We have to invest the money. You generally get what you pay for. For what we are paying JJ, it was actually a good pick. Safe, yes, but when you are paying less than what high major top assistants are getting paid, we really had no choice but to get someone from a low major and when you do that, you are usually better off going with experience. Bottom line is we either couldn't afford Keatts or weren't willing to afford him. The more money you will pay, the better the options you have. Simple supply and demand. My issue was that we downgraded the position. Blaine was making around $1M. Huge cut.

I dont disagree. The question is, were we only paying low because the candidates we not spectacular or vice versa? I had heard we were willing to get close to a million a year if we could land a superstar high-demand person. My guess is Andy Enfield would have made a lot more than JJ is. Once we wiffed on landing him, JJ was all that was left. A .500 coach with a .500 team in a weak (but now better than CUSA) conference. Jones didnt deserve the higher starting salary, and it wouldn't have been prudent to give it to him at that point. If we could have landed Anthony Grant or someone like that would we have been willing to pay $800,000+?

Way to derail a thread right at the beginning

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(03-07-2017 09:12 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 09:03 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:50 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 08:21 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Oh, stop. "Invests in its coaches", are you kidding me? That place has been a dumpster fire since they chased Brownell away (to Wright State!) for not "investing in its coaches," whatever that means.

Keatts is a rising star. No doubt. But, when we were looking for a coach, and some would argue even now, there was a lingering cloud about a NCAA investigation at Louisville. Props to Wilmington, they took a chance on him, then an all-conference player literally walks into a gym and asks for a tryout. He wins two conference tourneys with him, and boom, he's out the door. There is absolutely no guarantee that the next candidate is going to be a great hire.

That is what can be achieved when you don't always make the safe choice.

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No doubt. But, with the wrong choice, we could have really set the program back for years. Jones nearly took us to the NCAA tournament in his second year (and you could argue we deserved a bid that year), and now has clearly stabilized the program and given us hope for a bid in the near future. If we don't go dancing in the next couple of years, he should be gone, for sure. But, as I see it, we have a 22% chance (according to KenPom) of winning it all this weekend. I'm patient enough to see how it plays out.

I suppose SOMEONE could really have set the program back, but they would have had to be REALLY bad. So bad that somebody who does an even decent job of evaluating coaches should be able to avoid. I would argue that JJ has done nothing more than let the program achieve its natural state. I think the state of the program after one awful year is extremely overstated. I don't believe it was nearly as perilous as some others. If we ever get a chance to move on from JJ I really hope we can finally hire a coach based on the potential ceiling rather than focusing on the floor.

I really hope you are right. You would think your second statement would be true, but it's not always the case...

I get your point of reference, but I am not sure that our situation fits it. Some schools have a lower natural place in their pecking order due to disadvantages in size, location, fan involvement, commitment, or whatever. I think ODU is near the top of mid majors, and I think there is a lot of evidence for that. Just look at how quickly our football program was able to move past 80% of mid major (FCS and FBS) programs. Beyond that, if you are really committed as a program, and you screw up, and don't spend $1M a year doing it like GMU, you fire the coach and move on.