(02-15-2017 12:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:02 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 11:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looked back at that game.

Memphis up by 10 at the half 45-35.

With 11:53 to go, Memphis was up 64-55.

In the next three minutes, Monmouth goes on a 13-3 run to take then lead.

Care to guess how many t.o. Memphis used?

LOL - Tubby gone to the Opie school of timeouts to stop a run?

Well, the good thing is at the end of the game he still had one left.

Do they carry over to the next game?

That game may have been on a night that Matlock started on TV Land at 9 sharp.

Doubt an old cat like Tubby has DVR.

Wanted to make it on time.

(02-15-2017 12:10 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:02 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 11:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looked back at that game.

Memphis up by 10 at the half 45-35.

With 11:53 to go, Memphis was up 64-55.

In the next three minutes, Monmouth goes on a 13-3 run to take then lead.

Care to guess how many t.o. Memphis used?

LOL - Tubby gone to the Opie school of timeouts to stop a run?

Well, the good thing is at the end of the game he still had one left.

Do they carry over to the next game?

That game may have been on a night that Matlock started on TV Land at 9 sharp.

Doubt an old cat like Tubby has DVR.

Wanted to make it on time.

It was an 8 pm tip off. Halftime is past his bedtime, maybe?

Memphis is 3-3 in games starting 8 pm or later.

(02-15-2017 12:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:10 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:02 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 11:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looked back at that game.

Memphis up by 10 at the half 45-35.

With 11:53 to go, Memphis was up 64-55.

In the next three minutes, Monmouth goes on a 13-3 run to take then lead.

Care to guess how many t.o. Memphis used?

LOL - Tubby gone to the Opie school of timeouts to stop a run?

Well, the good thing is at the end of the game he still had one left.

Do they carry over to the next game?

That game may have been on a night that Matlock started on TV Land at 9 sharp.

Doubt an old cat like Tubby has DVR.

Wanted to make it on time.

It was an 8 pm tip off. Halftime is past his bedtime, maybe?

Memphis is 3-3 in games starting 8 pm or later.

Someone needs to slip NoDoz into Tubby's decaf on late start games.

(02-15-2017 12:26 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:29 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  You can thank josh ******* pastner for that

Hog wash. Did we blame Johny Jones when Cal came in? nope. Cal recruited fans like he did players. NEVER turned down a PR gig until he filled FedExForum up with season tickets. Say what you want to about him, but one of the most driven men I've seen.

True. He drove this program straight into the dumpster.

(02-15-2017 12:26 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:26 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:29 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  You can thank josh ******* pastner for that

Hog wash. Did we blame Johny Jones when Cal came in? nope. Cal recruited fans like he did players. NEVER turned down a PR gig until he filled FedExForum up with season tickets. Say what you want to about him, but one of the most driven men I've seen.

True. He drove this program straight into the dumpster.

If you think that, you are ignorant.

(02-15-2017 10:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I'm still unsure how the 9 game requirement limits Memphis' ability to get good h/h's?

We have four this year (OM/OU/UCSe/UAB)--it's not really a question of the ability to get some home and homes, it's getting GOOD home and homes.

No one seems to care about UAB as a h/h. That should be a buy game for Memphis, or at least a 2 for 1.

I think the OM game in BB has run its course.

USCe was intriguing but nothing that would cause folks to circle their calendar.

I think any of the good Big East teams would do a h/h and maybe find a big name school where a local Memphis kid plays (like Vick @ KU or Black at UofI).

No, it's about getting more, good H/H. The message to Bowen has been get more good games at home. The challenge is to go from 4 H/H to 6 H/H. Bowen says he can't give up the extra buy game by contract.

ETSU and UALR don't move the needle any more than the other buys, in regards to fan perception. (SOS is another topic - we're talking attendance.)

(02-15-2017 10:55 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:53 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

I wonder how much the amount of the "buy" comes into play ... Does Incarnate Word come for $100k + expenses, while a ETSU comes for $250k ??? Just using the numbers for illustrative purposes .... It would depend on your total "buy" $$ budget as to how you break it down between which teams and average it against the per game revenue $$ ....

I don't disagree overall with the thought, but what I will say is that kind of thinking gets you in the same kind of long term downward spiral trouble as did the RC thinking to schedule MTSU and AST in football for easy wins.

Agreed .... Just trying to make sense of both Rudd's and Bowen's coments about $$ ... I'm just guessing that over the past couple of seasons in BB; the "buy" budget has been reduced, but the number of games required has remained the same ...

(02-15-2017 02:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I'm still unsure how the 9 game requirement limits Memphis' ability to get good h/h's?

We have four this year (OM/OU/UCSe/UAB)--it's not really a question of the ability to get some home and homes, it's getting GOOD home and homes.

No one seems to care about UAB as a h/h. That should be a buy game for Memphis, or at least a 2 for 1.

I think the OM game in BB has run its course.

USCe was intriguing but nothing that would cause folks to circle their calendar.

I think any of the good Big East teams would do a h/h and maybe find a big name school where a local Memphis kid plays (like Vick @ KU or Black at UofI).

No, it's about getting more, good H/H. The message to Bowen has been get more good games at home. The challenge is to go from 4 H/H to 6 H/H. Bowen says he can't give up the extra buy game by contract.

ETSU and UALR don't move the needle any more than the other buys, in regards to fan perception. (SOS is another topic - we're talking attendance.)

Since the 2009-10 season Memphis has had four or fewer h/h games in 7 of the 9 years, and two seasons only had 2 h/h games. We've averaged fewer than 4 h/h games a season in the past 8 years, so I don't know why Bowen is getting all excuse driven about how having 4 instead of 6 shackles him.

(02-15-2017 03:19 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I'm still unsure how the 9 game requirement limits Memphis' ability to get good h/h's?

We have four this year (OM/OU/UCSe/UAB)--it's not really a question of the ability to get some home and homes, it's getting GOOD home and homes.

No one seems to care about UAB as a h/h. That should be a buy game for Memphis, or at least a 2 for 1.

I think the OM game in BB has run its course.

USCe was intriguing but nothing that would cause folks to circle their calendar.

I think any of the good Big East teams would do a h/h and maybe find a big name school where a local Memphis kid plays (like Vick @ KU or Black at UofI).

No, it's about getting more, good H/H. The message to Bowen has been get more good games at home. The challenge is to go from 4 H/H to 6 H/H. Bowen says he can't give up the extra buy game by contract.

ETSU and UALR don't move the needle any more than the other buys, in regards to fan perception. (SOS is another topic - we're talking attendance.)

Since the 2009-10 season Memphis has had four or fewer h/h games in 7 of the 9 years, and two seasons only had 2 h/h games. We've averaged fewer than 4 h/h games a season in the past 8 years, so I don't know why Bowen is getting all excuse driven about how having 4 instead of 6 shackles him.

Facts rule every time. Some on here don't like facts but they rule. The man is not believable

(02-15-2017 02:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I'm still unsure how the 9 game requirement limits Memphis' ability to get good h/h's?

We have four this year (OM/OU/UCSe/UAB)--it's not really a question of the ability to get some home and homes, it's getting GOOD home and homes.

No one seems to care about UAB as a h/h. That should be a buy game for Memphis, or at least a 2 for 1.

I think the OM game in BB has run its course.

USCe was intriguing but nothing that would cause folks to circle their calendar.

I think any of the good Big East teams would do a h/h and maybe find a big name school where a local Memphis kid plays (like Vick @ KU or Black at UofI).

No, it's about getting more, good H/H. The message to Bowen has been get more good games at home. The challenge is to go from 4 H/H to 6 H/H. Bowen says he can't give up the extra buy game by contract.

ETSU and UALR don't move the needle any more than the other buys, in regards to fan perception. (SOS is another topic - we're talking attendance.)

As I said why wouldn't parties who would benefit by changes agree to modify this contract? Man is not believable.

(02-15-2017 03:19 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I'm still unsure how the 9 game requirement limits Memphis' ability to get good h/h's?

We have four this year (OM/OU/UCSe/UAB)--it's not really a question of the ability to get some home and homes, it's getting GOOD home and homes.

No one seems to care about UAB as a h/h. That should be a buy game for Memphis, or at least a 2 for 1.

I think the OM game in BB has run its course.

USCe was intriguing but nothing that would cause folks to circle their calendar.

I think any of the good Big East teams would do a h/h and maybe find a big name school where a local Memphis kid plays (like Vick @ KU or Black at UofI).

No, it's about getting more, good H/H. The message to Bowen has been get more good games at home. The challenge is to go from 4 H/H to 6 H/H. Bowen says he can't give up the extra buy game by contract.

ETSU and UALR don't move the needle any more than the other buys, in regards to fan perception. (SOS is another topic - we're talking attendance.)

Since the 2009-10 season Memphis has had four or fewer h/h games in 7 of the 9 years, and two seasons only had 2 h/h games. We've averaged fewer than 4 h/h games a season in the past 8 years, so I don't know why Bowen is getting all excuse driven about how having 4 instead of 6 shackles him.

Because the program was wrecked by Pastner. We've driven off a lot of fans. Some say a way to get them back is improve the opponents. That's why it matters now and it didn't then. Before, people were lining up for tickets before we even printed the schedule.

(02-15-2017 02:39 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 06:17 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 05:25 PM)fsquid Wrote:  From the CA:

Quote:“Remember, I have to play so many home games in the Forum per the agreement that was signed 13 years ago,” he said. “So the issue we run into is a lot of teams that want to play us want to play home-and-home. And we can’t really do that. So we do buy games, we buy opponents to come in and play. So that makes it hard. We can’t get really high level opponents. We’re on it. Mark (Alnutt) and I think we’ll have a much better non-conference next year and we think by 2019-2020 we’ll have a real opportunity to look at that and change that. And then, when the 2021 year comes around, we’ll ask to have a relief from the 18 (required home games) and maybe go to 16 games and see if we can get some more.”

I'm sure that could be renegotiated as all parties involved would benefit financially by have one sellout game as opposed to 3 4K games.

^^^THIS^^^ I would think that the Grizz would be very open to getting more fans per game for Tiger games. It cost them quite a bit of money to open the FEF for the Tigers. If they can open it two fewer times, but have the game total number of fans, then it is a WIN for them, too. As you said, EVERYTHING is open to renegotiation. If both sides can benefit. Seems like a no-brained.

Sounds good, but I'd need to see the numbers. Who makes money the more events you have - regardless of attendance? I'd be glad to do the analysis and be mediator for both sides, pro bono.

Heck, they've already closed some concessions for Tigers games and leaving some lights turned off. Closing off seating sections and bathrooms is the next step.

(02-15-2017 12:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:26 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:26 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:29 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  You can thank josh ******* pastner for that

Hog wash. Did we blame Johny Jones when Cal came in? nope. Cal recruited fans like he did players. NEVER turned down a PR gig until he filled FedExForum up with season tickets. Say what you want to about him, but one of the most driven men I've seen.

True. He drove this program straight into the dumpster.

If you think that, you are ignorant.

If you think that he didn't, you're the ignorant one. Guess all those empty seats the past 3 years was because Josh was doing such a great job. As a coach he was a joke (heard that from some not to long ago former players) , glad he's the hell out of here.

(02-15-2017 02:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  ETSU and UALR don't move the needle any more than the other buys, in regards to fan perception. (SOS is another topic - we're talking attendance.)

I disagree to a point.

It's in how you market the games in some respects.

I'm not talking about filling the Forum. I'm talking about incremental improvements. Baby steps.

If the team gets better and fans believe the school is trying to schedule competitive teams that will prepare the Tigers then there will be improvement.

You can't sell Incarnate Word or Savanah State.

But...huge but...ain't no one coming to games to see the team get slapped either...losing to Monmouth was the same as Josh losing to Murray State and SFA.

To truly "move the needle" is going to take a lot of variables.

I've heard all the logic, year after year, FB & BB. But bottom line, in both sports, we should be playing the best schedule we can play - every year. This is how FSU grew their program in FB - and it has also benefited BB. Schools like Butler, Xavier & Creighton have been greatly benefited because before they rec'd their BE invites, they played a tough schedule & had success. Of course the obvious condition is that Memphis has to be competitive & have success. But with the watered-down schedule approach, we can win 8-10 games in FB and get virtually no recognition. In BB we can win 20-22 and not even receive serious bubble consideration. It is just not the best way to move up, it hurts recruiting & cupcake wins don't fool even the most ardent Tiger supporters - proven because they don't attend such games.

Lots of issues to be corrected and lots of variables to consider, but winning cures all. We had a 30-year-old former 3rd string assistant get a guaranteed contract for over $2.5M for beating a bunch of C-USA teams while losing to every top 25 team and every tourney opponent he faced (or maybe he beat one before the contract, who can remember?)

Fans have bailed, but they (or others in their place) will fill up the Forum if we win. Recruits will listen to the pitch if we win. Deals will be made with the Grizz to allow us to get better opponents if we win. Money will roll into the program, TV games will look respectable again on crowd shots, sports shows will start talking about us again, coaches/media will start voting for us in the polls again, everything will be cured if we start winning again. And I believe that is just around the corner.

(02-15-2017 06:12 PM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:26 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 12:26 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:29 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  You can thank josh ******* pastner for that

Hog wash. Did we blame Johny Jones when Cal came in? nope. Cal recruited fans like he did players. NEVER turned down a PR gig until he filled FedExForum up with season tickets. Say what you want to about him, but one of the most driven men I've seen.

True. He drove this program straight into the dumpster.

If you think that, you are ignorant.

If you think that he didn't, you're the ignorant one. Guess all those empty seats the past 3 years was because Josh was doing such a great job. As a coach he was a joke (heard that from some not to long ago former players) , glad he's the hell out of here.

I thought he was saying that Cal "drove this program straight into the dumpster"
Based on the wording, it appears he is.

(02-15-2017 06:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've heard all the logic, year after year, FB & BB. But bottom line, in both sports, we should be playing the best schedule we can play - every year. This is how FSU grew their program in FB - and it has also benefited BB. Schools like Butler, Xavier & Creighton have been greatly benefited because before they rec'd their BE invites, they played a tough schedule & had success. Of course the obvious condition is that Memphis has to be competitive & have success. But with the watered-down schedule approach, we can win 8-10 games in FB and get virtually no recognition. In BB we can win 20-22 and not even receive serious bubble consideration. It is just not the best way to move up, it hurts recruiting & cupcake wins don't fool even the most ardent Tiger supporters - proven because they don't attend such games.

I think in football we're fine. We win the conference, we get the best bowl available to us. Doesn't matter if we win 8 or 10, or who the opponent is, our bowl won't change. Now if we win 10-12 games, we have a good shot at the Access Bowl as the top G5 conference. That's best case scenario. We could load up the OOC and we're still not getting in the playoffs.

Basketball - yeah, we need to do something different. Like next year.

(02-15-2017 03:19 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I'm still unsure how the 9 game requirement limits Memphis' ability to get good h/h's?

We have four this year (OM/OU/UCSe/UAB)--it's not really a question of the ability to get some home and homes, it's getting GOOD home and homes.

No one seems to care about UAB as a h/h. That should be a buy game for Memphis, or at least a 2 for 1.

I think the OM game in BB has run its course.

USCe was intriguing but nothing that would cause folks to circle their calendar.

I think any of the good Big East teams would do a h/h and maybe find a big name school where a local Memphis kid plays (like Vick @ KU or Black at UofI).

No, it's about getting more, good H/H. The message to Bowen has been get more good games at home. The challenge is to go from 4 H/H to 6 H/H. Bowen says he can't give up the extra buy game by contract.

ETSU and UALR don't move the needle any more than the other buys, in regards to fan perception. (SOS is another topic - we're talking attendance.)

Since the 2009-10 season Memphis has had four or fewer h/h games in 7 of the 9 years, and two seasons only had 2 h/h games. We've averaged fewer than 4 h/h games a season in the past 8 years, so I don't know why Bowen is getting all excuse driven about how having 4 instead of 6 shackles him.

The buck never stops with Bowen. He makes excuses for
Pastner's contract
Low BB attendance
Poor PR
Not making shortlist of BIG12 (terrible PR and communications around that)
Terrible BB nonconference schedule
Delays on athletic bld construction

He can't get fired fast enough IMHO.
He's got to go!

(02-15-2017 11:28 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 03:19 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:30 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I'm still unsure how the 9 game requirement limits Memphis' ability to get good h/h's?

We have four this year (OM/OU/UCSe/UAB)--it's not really a question of the ability to get some home and homes, it's getting GOOD home and homes.

No one seems to care about UAB as a h/h. That should be a buy game for Memphis, or at least a 2 for 1.

I think the OM game in BB has run its course.

USCe was intriguing but nothing that would cause folks to circle their calendar.

I think any of the good Big East teams would do a h/h and maybe find a big name school where a local Memphis kid plays (like Vick @ KU or Black at UofI).

No, it's about getting more, good H/H. The message to Bowen has been get more good games at home. The challenge is to go from 4 H/H to 6 H/H. Bowen says he can't give up the extra buy game by contract.

ETSU and UALR don't move the needle any more than the other buys, in regards to fan perception. (SOS is another topic - we're talking attendance.)

Since the 2009-10 season Memphis has had four or fewer h/h games in 7 of the 9 years, and two seasons only had 2 h/h games. We've averaged fewer than 4 h/h games a season in the past 8 years, so I don't know why Bowen is getting all excuse driven about how having 4 instead of 6 shackles him.

The buck never stops with Bowen. He makes excuses for
Pastner's contract
Low BB attendance
Poor PR
Not making shortlist of BIG12 (terrible PR and communications around that)
Terrible BB nonconference schedule
Delays on athletic bld construction

He can't get fired fast enough IMHO.
He's got to go!

Yep. Also NO PROMOTION for basketball.