(02-10-2017 09:36 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 08:12 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 06:57 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  No season tickets next year. Might go to a few games, but too far of a drive from Northern Cincinnati. Thanks Mike!

Get over yourself.

I live north of Cincinnati and it will take me about 5-10 minutes longer to get to NKY than Clifton.

When you factor in the ease of parking I can probably make it from my house to my seats quicker at NKU.

You'll need to brush up on your excuse making.

BTW..it is pretty obvious that you don't have season tickets now. If you do, they must be ****** seats to give up an opportunity for good seats in the renovated Shoe.

Again...get a better excuse.

That's BS. Maybe 5-10 minutes in George Jetson's flying car. And my seats are in the upper level in the seatbacks if you want to know Ahole.

Google Maps says 10 minutes from the 71 Taft exit, 13 minutes from 75 Hopple exit. Subtract the time it takes to get from those exits to the Shoe and it's clearly 5-10 minutes extra at most.

Went to Cintas for the first time tonight. Grand daughter was signing. At 10,250 the place looked small. I was not overly impressed. Good that we will be a couple thousand bigger.

The lady muskies got destroyed by DePaul. They cannot shoot or rebound. The crowd was a couple thousand due to youth girls BB teams. A big crowd was camped outside I suspect to get tickets for Nova or it was a bunch of snowflakes protesting Trump.

(02-10-2017 09:36 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 08:12 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 06:57 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  No season tickets next year. Might go to a few games, but too far of a drive from Northern Cincinnati. Thanks Mike!

Get over yourself.

I live north of Cincinnati and it will take me about 5-10 minutes longer to get to NKY than Clifton.

When you factor in the ease of parking I can probably make it from my house to my seats quicker at NKU.

You'll need to brush up on your excuse making.

BTW..it is pretty obvious that you don't have season tickets now. If you do, they must be ****** seats to give up an opportunity for good seats in the renovated Shoe.

Again...get a better excuse.

That's BS. Maybe 5-10 minutes in George Jetson's flying car. And my seats are in the upper level in the seatbacks if you want to know Ahole.

It will be a wash when considering parking and getting into the arena for most people. Good Lord people...NKY is closer to downtown than Oakley Square.

(02-10-2017 09:36 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 08:12 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 06:57 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  No season tickets next year. Might go to a few games, but too far of a drive from Northern Cincinnati. Thanks Mike!

Get over yourself.

I live north of Cincinnati and it will take me about 5-10 minutes longer to get to NKY than Clifton.

When you factor in the ease of parking I can probably make it from my house to my seats quicker at NKU.

You'll need to brush up on your excuse making.

BTW..it is pretty obvious that you don't have season tickets now. If you do, they must be ****** seats to give up an opportunity for good seats in the renovated Shoe.

Again...get a better excuse.

That's BS. Maybe 5-10 minutes in George Jetson's flying car. And my seats are in the upper level in the seatbacks if you want to know Ahole.

Nice..We can get personal if you like. I choose not to.

But it is pretty obvious that you are not very comfortable with change and have a bunch of excuses on why you can't or won't handle that change.

It's one year of playing at a different venue so UC can make your life even more comfortable with new amenities in the New Shoe.

I am sure there will be plenty of people to pick up your seats when you don't renew. And after this year's and hopefully next year's run, good luck getting anything close to the ****** seats you claim to have now.

Next year's team with Broome at the helm and all of these current guys with another years experience will be very fun to watch. They will have no problem drawing wherever they play. Those that struggle with logistical changes(or the difficulty of getting off the couch) will be replaced by folks in that area. It's a very convenient location.

Found this while digging through the UCATS renewal email. I don't typically buy expensive basketball tickets, so I'm not sure whether the prices are good bad or indifferent.

(02-13-2017 12:14 PM)djtothemoney Wrote:  

Found this while digging through the UCATS renewal email. I don't typically buy expensive basketball tickets, so I'm not sure whether the prices are good bad or indifferent.

Having spent some time in BB&T, the Upper Mid-Court seats (specifically 202 and 211) are probably the best value for dollar there. Great seats and not too far from the action.

(02-11-2017 09:49 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  But it is pretty obvious that you are not very comfortable with change and have a bunch of excuses on why you can't or won't handle that change.

He tipped his hand on the former. I've never heard anyone under the age of 50 make a reference to the Jetsons.

(02-09-2017 11:59 AM)gerhard911 Wrote:  Haven't been to the Grail since they moved out of Clifton. They abandoned UC, not the other way around.

Exactly. They bail on Clifton and have the kahunas to call us out for not playing somewhere that benefits them? Offer to pay the booking fee difference from NKU to US Bank and we'll come on down!

co·jo·nes
kəˈhōˌnāz,-ˌnās/
noun
plural noun: cojones

North American informal
a man's testicles.
*courage; guts.
*"he does not have the cojones to kill a flea"

(02-10-2017 09:36 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 08:12 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 06:57 PM)RedRocker Wrote:  No season tickets next year. Might go to a few games, but too far of a drive from Northern Cincinnati. Thanks Mike!

Get over yourself.

I live north of Cincinnati and it will take me about 5-10 minutes longer to get to NKY than Clifton.

When you factor in the ease of parking I can probably make it from my house to my seats quicker at NKU.

You'll need to brush up on your excuse making.

BTW..it is pretty obvious that you don't have season tickets now. If you do, they must be ****** seats to give up an opportunity for good seats in the renovated Shoe.

Again...get a better excuse.

That's BS. Maybe 5-10 minutes in George Jetson's flying car. And my seats are in the upper level in the seatbacks if you want to know Ahole.

Elroy, is that you?

When it comes to being displaced, this is about as good of an arrangement as you can get.

When teams like UCLA and Georgia Tech were able to play in their own cities, it was still kind of rough. The arenas were accommodating to the point to where if the NBA or hockey teams weren't using it, then they'd leave them the keys. I don't think the luxury boxes or premium seating was made available, and even if it was it was in a limited capacity, and all the event management fell on the schools. There's nothing really wrong with that, but there was no ice, no trainers, no concessions (there were, but it was on the schools to set it up and I don't think they got to keep it all), the floor logos and the signage was limited (which it may still be at NKU, but whatever). And, those are generally the best case scenarios.

Other scenarios involved Clemson having to play an hour away from campus all throughout last season, and Florida having to zigzag all over the state until about the midway point of this season, and TCU and SMU having to play in high school gyms, Rhode Island played all their games on Providence's home court a few years back (well, maybe more than a few), and so on. Hell the Chicago Bears had to play all their games in Champaign one season.

So, when you're unable to use your home because it's being renovated, the best you can hope for is for someone to leave you their keys and let you use their place on the nights that it's available, and hope that they don't gouge you too much in the process.

Playing at NKU is painless. I bet they're actually happy to be hosting Cincinnati, and probably didn't try to take advantage of the situation like a lot of other venues would have. Another thing to consider is that the Horizon League has a deal with ESPN, and everything in the arena meets the specifications that I'm sure are also required for the AAC's deal. The last time I was at US Bank for a game, I'm under the impression that specifications were not met. ESPN can certainly make it work, but it's easier when the wifi, and the press box, and the multimedia amenities are all up to date. So, the AAC and ESPN are probably happy as well.

Not to mention, NKU is probably willing to make their premium seating options available, which can help with sponsorship, not to mention making the big time boosters happy. Yeah, it's in a different state, but as a state institution UC owes it to itself and to the state to make the best deal it can for itself. If that deal is available right across hte river then so be it.

It's close, and it's nice. You don't have to drive for an hour to another city, nor do you have to let the management from an off campus arena gouge you. It's a good deal considering the circumstance. It really is. I'm sure Cincinnati will throw a few home games NKU's way, so they get something out of it too.

(02-14-2017 01:18 PM)Hoops HD David Wrote:  The last time I was at US Bank for a game, I'm under the impression that specifications were not met. ESPN can certainly make it work, but it's easier when the wifi, and the press box, and the multimedia amenities are all up to date. So, the AAC and ESPN are probably happy as well.

Great post . Especially this point.

(02-14-2017 01:18 PM)Hoops HD David Wrote:  When it comes to being displaced, this is about as good of an arrangement as you can get.

When teams like UCLA and Georgia Tech were able to play in their own cities, it was still kind of rough. The arenas were accommodating to the point to where if the NBA or hockey teams weren't using it, then they'd leave them the keys. I don't think the luxury boxes or premium seating was made available, and even if it was it was in a limited capacity, and all the event management fell on the schools. There's nothing really wrong with that, but there was no ice, no trainers, no concessions (there were, but it was on the schools to set it up and I don't think they got to keep it all), the floor logos and the signage was limited (which it may still be at NKU, but whatever). And, those are generally the best case scenarios.

Other scenarios involved Clemson having to play an hour away from campus all throughout last season, and Florida having to zigzag all over the state until about the midway point of this season, and TCU and SMU having to play in high school gyms, Rhode Island played all their games on Providence's home court a few years back (well, maybe more than a few), and so on. Hell the Chicago Bears had to play all their games in Champaign one season.

So, when you're unable to use your home because it's being renovated, the best you can hope for is for someone to leave you their keys and let you use their place on the nights that it's available, and hope that they don't gouge you too much in the process.

Playing at NKU is painless. I bet they're actually happy to be hosting Cincinnati, and probably didn't try to take advantage of the situation like a lot of other venues would have. Another thing to consider is that the Horizon League has a deal with ESPN, and everything in the arena meets the specifications that I'm sure are also required for the AAC's deal. The last time I was at US Bank for a game, I'm under the impression that specifications were not met. ESPN can certainly make it work, but it's easier when the wifi, and the press box, and the multimedia amenities are all up to date. So, the AAC and ESPN are probably happy as well.

Not to mention, NKU is probably willing to make their premium seating options available, which can help with sponsorship, not to mention making the big time boosters happy. Yeah, it's in a different state, but as a state institution UC owes it to itself and to the state to make the best deal it can for itself. If that deal is available right across hte river then so be it.

It's close, and it's nice. You don't have to drive for an hour to another city, nor do you have to let the management from an off campus arena gouge you. It's a good deal considering the circumstance. It really is. I'm sure Cincinnati will throw a few home games NKU's way, so they get something out of it too.

Ditto with WVU... When WVU's coliseum was condemned because of asbestos, the Mountaineers had to play the majority of their games down in Charleston (2 1/2's away) with scattered games in Beckley and other parts of the state. When WVU started a much more limited renovation of the coliseum this year, they played some games in Beckley and other parts of the state to start the season.

If you think the added 15 minutes or so is a problem, imagine having to play all your games a minimum of 2 1/2 hours away from your campus.

(02-14-2017 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 01:18 PM)Hoops HD David Wrote:  When it comes to being displaced, this is about as good of an arrangement as you can get.

When teams like UCLA and Georgia Tech were able to play in their own cities, it was still kind of rough. The arenas were accommodating to the point to where if the NBA or hockey teams weren't using it, then they'd leave them the keys. I don't think the luxury boxes or premium seating was made available, and even if it was it was in a limited capacity, and all the event management fell on the schools. There's nothing really wrong with that, but there was no ice, no trainers, no concessions (there were, but it was on the schools to set it up and I don't think they got to keep it all), the floor logos and the signage was limited (which it may still be at NKU, but whatever). And, those are generally the best case scenarios.

Other scenarios involved Clemson having to play an hour away from campus all throughout last season, and Florida having to zigzag all over the state until about the midway point of this season, and TCU and SMU having to play in high school gyms, Rhode Island played all their games on Providence's home court a few years back (well, maybe more than a few), and so on. Hell the Chicago Bears had to play all their games in Champaign one season.

So, when you're unable to use your home because it's being renovated, the best you can hope for is for someone to leave you their keys and let you use their place on the nights that it's available, and hope that they don't gouge you too much in the process.

Playing at NKU is painless. I bet they're actually happy to be hosting Cincinnati, and probably didn't try to take advantage of the situation like a lot of other venues would have. Another thing to consider is that the Horizon League has a deal with ESPN, and everything in the arena meets the specifications that I'm sure are also required for the AAC's deal. The last time I was at US Bank for a game, I'm under the impression that specifications were not met. ESPN can certainly make it work, but it's easier when the wifi, and the press box, and the multimedia amenities are all up to date. So, the AAC and ESPN are probably happy as well.

Not to mention, NKU is probably willing to make their premium seating options available, which can help with sponsorship, not to mention making the big time boosters happy. Yeah, it's in a different state, but as a state institution UC owes it to itself and to the state to make the best deal it can for itself. If that deal is available right across hte river then so be it.

It's close, and it's nice. You don't have to drive for an hour to another city, nor do you have to let the management from an off campus arena gouge you. It's a good deal considering the circumstance. It really is. I'm sure Cincinnati will throw a few home games NKU's way, so they get something out of it too.

Ditto with WVU... When WVU's coliseum was condemned because of asbestos, the Mountaineers had to play the majority of their games down in Charleston (2 1/2's away) with scattered games in Beckley and other parts of the state. When WVU started a much more limited renovation of the coliseum this year, they played some games in Beckley and other parts of the state to start the season.

If you think the added 15 minutes or so is a problem, imagine having to play all your games a minimum of 2 1/2 hours away from your campus.

While I think these are great points, not exactly an apples to apples comparison. We have multiple options within 20 minutes much less an hour away.

That being said, when you have options, you go for the best one, regardless of where it is. You could be UCONN after all.

I just checked google maps... I live on the northbside of the city,,the time difference between going to Clifton and NKU is 7 minutes...
That's pretty good....

(02-14-2017 04:33 PM)KCat Wrote:  I just checked google maps... I live on the northbside of the city,,the time difference between going to Clifton and NKU is 7 minutes...
That's pretty good....

Where's the couch potato with the George Jetson comment now?

Doc: Can you blame UC for saying no to U.S. Bank Arena?
Paul Daugherty , pdaugherty@enquirer.com Published 6:13 p.m. ET Feb. 14, 2017 | Updated 5 minutes ago


And so a basketball team with CINCINNATI across its collective chest has chosen to play its home games in Kentucky. And so the CINCINNATI Bearcats for one winter will be the Bearcats of Highland Heights, home of Northern Kentucky University and its Norse.

BB&T Arena is a fine venue. Built in 2008, it has 9,400 seats, luxury boxes, party suites and good sightlines. But this is the University of Cincinnati basketball team we’re talking about, not Highland Heights A&M.

It shouldn’t be this way.

Not when there is a perfectly good arena on the Cincinnati side of the river.

No, wait. I’m forgetting. This is U.S. Bank Arena we’re talking about. It’s neither perfect nor very good. It’s an elephant. It’s even painted white.

Frequent perusers of This Space know of my dislike for the 17,000-seat venue down on the river. It’s a place owned by out of towners. There’s nothing wrong with that, of course. Unless the out of towners don’t show a lot of interest in keeping the place current.

Nederlander is an international entertainment conglomerate. Phillip Anschutz owns Anschutz Entertainment Group, the world’s 2nd-largest presenter of live entertainment, music and sports. Forbes says he’s worth $12.6 billion. He lives in Colorado.

Combined, they own 98 percent of U.S. Bank Arena. Since 1997, they haven’t done anything to the place but change the lightbulbs. Two years ago, talk of a $200 million renovation was floated. Nothing substantial has occurred since.

Cincinnati didn’t get a lot of consideration to host the 2016 Republican convention because our arena lacks. That convention would have brought $200 million to the city. Cincinnati doesn’t get first-weekend NCAA tournament games anymore, because our arena lacks. Cities of similar size in the region get concerts and other events we don’t get, because they have newer, better venues and because, all together now, our arena lacks.

When the Crosstown Shootout went off campus for two years, they played it at U.S. Bank Arena. The second game drew 9,000 people. The restrooms for the media? Port-a-Potties. And we thought we could get the Republican convention here? It’s a good thing we didn’t. The country would have been laughing at the facilities.

And now, a Cincinnati team has said it prefers to play in Kentucky, even knowing the objections and the inconvenience. Is that UC’s problem?

Ray Harris believes so. He runs U.S. Bank Arena for Nederlander. “We asked them from mid-December until last week to walk us through it,’’ he said. “They opted not to.

“I think they didn’t want to play downtown. We made it really clear we’d do virtually anything for them.’’

Cincinnati athletic director Mike Bohn disagreed: “It was a transaction with them, not a partnership.’’ Bohn and Harris also disagreed on what constitutes reasonable rent. Harris said U.S. Bank’s ask was “minimal.’’ Bohn said NKU’s ask was far less.

Harris also suggested that “certain factions’’ didn’t want to take UC basketball downtown because fans might see how much nicer it was on the river, and not be happy with the renovations uptown at Fifth Third Arena. “Maybe if they were used to coming downtown, they wouldn’t like their options’’ on campus, Harris said.

It’s also possible the Bearcats saw the same thing we all see: An old, dark building with narrow concourses and crowded bathrooms that has been renovated exactly once (in ’97) since it opened in 1975. A place of nearly 18,000 seats, about 14,000 of which rarely get used, unless Garth Brooks decides to camp out for five days.

A place where, according to the building’s own website, nothing went on last August. Not one event. Paul McCartney played there in July. No one else did. Two events happened there in September. Three events in three months, at the city’s largest indoor venue. That UC would prefer to ask its fans to drive to Kentucky to watch its basketball team speaks loudly.

Harris said, “Nederlander hasn’t taken a dollar out of the marketplace.’’ OK, fine. If Nederlander isn’t making money down there, why doesn’t it sell its share? Maybe AEG could do the same. Someone who lives here could buy it. Maybe the city and county could share in the cost. I don’t know. I’m not a financier or a commissioner. I’m just someone who doesn’t like the place and thinks having a credible arena adorning the jewel of the central riverfront is important.

Cincinnati won’t play in Cincinnati next year. Is there anything else that needs to be said?

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/c.../97916982/

Sh!t hole.

Good column.

The last time I was there was UC vs ND in BigEast play. Before that was NCAA Regionals. I still remember as you entered a section there was a gray drape across they entry on a rod. I thought it looked like a flop house circa 1960.

What a depressing POS.