No threat there…

Quote:Since 9/11, 72 individuals from the seven mostly Muslim countries covered by President Trump’s “extreme vetting” executive order have been convicted of terrorism, a finding that clashes sharply with claims from an appeals court that there is “no evidence” those countries have produced a terrorist.

According to a report out Saturday, at least 17 claimed to be refugees from those nations, three came in as “students,” and 25 eventually became U.S. citizens.

The Center for Immigration Studies calculated the numbers of convicted terrorists from the Trump Seven:

— Somalia: 20
— Yemen: 19
— Iraq: 19
— Syria: 7
— Iran: 4
— Libya: 2
— Sudan: 1

The Center's director of policy studies, Jessica M. Vaughan, based her blockbuster report on a 2016 report from the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest, then chaired by new Attorney General Jeff Sessions, that report found that 380 out of 580 people convicted in terror cases since 9/11 were foreign-born.

She received further information on many in the report to conclude that 72 of those convicted of terrorism come from the seven nations target by Trump.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report...UY.twitter

and water is wet.

I am shocked!

Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

(02-12-2017 12:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

Do you realize how much damage 26 people can do?

(02-12-2017 12:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

The skittles bowl analogy holds some truth here... How many people can one guy kill with a truck on the 4th of July?

(02-12-2017 12:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

It only took 19 people to kill 3000.

(02-12-2017 06:46 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 12:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

It only took 19 people to kill 3000.

Those 19 were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE and Lebanon.

(02-12-2017 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 06:46 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 12:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

It only took 19 people to kill 3000.

Those 19 were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE and Lebanon.

Islamic extremism isn't contained to those four countries. The seven nations on the temporary travel ban are mostly countries that either do not have control over their entire country or are failed states altogether except Iran, who is the largest exporter of international terrorism. Because of this it is almost impossible to properly vet anyone from those countries.

(02-12-2017 02:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 06:46 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 12:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

It only took 19 people to kill 3000.

Those 19 were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE and Lebanon.

Islamic extremism isn't contained to those four countries. The seven nations on the temporary travel ban are mostly countries that either do not have control over their entire country or are failed states altogether except Iran, who is the largest exporter of international terrorism. Because of this it is almost impossible to properly vet anyone from those countries.

Kap is giving the right answer and I'm wondering David why you're deflecting. 2001 want's its National Security back.

You tried to make a point about the number of people, and when given stats that show that it isn't about the number, but what a small number are willing to do... now you act as if there isn't any Islamic extremism in those 7 countries. Bin Laden was from Saudi... went to Pakistan and then Afghanistan to fight a Holy war. Was banished from Saudi and went to Sudan... then back to Afghanistan and finally Pakistan. Almost every leader of these groups has similar stories... and if you think about the history of these countries and cultures, their 'religious' or 'tribal' borders don't always align with the national borders that we recognize.

This isn't about those nations... It's about the war torn nature of these areas... 'what' some of the groups fighting these wars have repeatedly said and often done about the US and other places... and the inability to reliably identify people.

90 days dude.

90 days

(02-12-2017 05:27 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 02:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 02:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 06:46 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 12:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

It only took 19 people to kill 3000.

Those 19 were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE and Lebanon.

Islamic extremism isn't contained to those four countries. The seven nations on the temporary travel ban are mostly countries that either do not have control over their entire country or are failed states altogether except Iran, who is the largest exporter of international terrorism. Because of this it is almost impossible to properly vet anyone from those countries.

Kap is giving the right answer and I'm wondering David why you're deflecting. 2001 want's its National Security back.

You tried to make a point about the number of people, and when given stats that show that it isn't about the number, but what a small number are willing to do... now you act as if there isn't any Islamic extremism in those 7 countries. Bin Laden was from Saudi... went to Pakistan and then Afghanistan to fight a Holy war. Was banished from Saudi and went to Sudan... then back to Afghanistan and finally Pakistan. Almost every leader of these groups has similar stories... and if you think about the history of these countries and cultures, their 'religious' or 'tribal' borders don't always align with the national borders that we recognize.

This isn't about those nations... It's about the war torn nature of these areas... 'what' some of the groups fighting these wars have repeatedly said and often done about the US and other places... and the inability to reliably identify people.

90 days dude.

90 days

Because, most of the ISIS members came from those countries. They were not born in the 7 that Trump listed.

I'm for a 100% ban of any Muslims entering the United States, period. In perpetuity.

I'm all for taking in Christians fleeing the Middle East and I am also for a temporary raise in my taxes to help get them on their feet here.

You know....since the Christians there are ACTUALLY REFUGEES.

(02-13-2017 08:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm for a 100% ban of any Muslims entering the United States, period. In perpetuity.

I'm all for taking in Christians fleeing the Middle East and I am also for a temporary raise in my taxes to help get them on their feet here.

You know....since the Christians there are ACTUALLY REFUGEES.

Yazidis are partly Christians as well. They are also part Jewish, Islam and one other religion.

(02-12-2017 12:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the two countries here, Syria and Iraq. You have 26 people out of 10s of thousands refugees and immigrations and students to this country. That is a very low number as the rest are peaceful.

so **** everybody that gets killed by those 26 terrorists just because the other few thousands are peaceful? nice logic you got there.

(02-13-2017 11:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 08:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm for a 100% ban of any Muslims entering the United States, period. In perpetuity.

I'm all for taking in Christians fleeing the Middle East and I am also for a temporary raise in my taxes to help get them on their feet here.

You know....since the Christians there are ACTUALLY REFUGEES.

Yazidis are partly Christians as well. They are also part Jewish, Islam and one other religion.

No.... No they are not. Just stop.

Aside from being monotheist-ish and believing a god made man named adam from dust they share virtually nothing in common with the Judaic family of religions.

Stop trying to say "this religion is basically the same as that". Every time you do it goes down in flames.

(02-13-2017 08:57 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I'm for a 100% ban of any Muslims entering the United States, period. In perpetuity.

I'm all for taking in Christians fleeing the Middle East and I am also for a temporary raise in my taxes to help get them on their feet here.

You know....since the Christians there are ACTUALLY REFUGEES.

How do you tell who is a Christian and who is a Muslim?

How many of those people were refugees?

(02-13-2017 12:01 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Because, most of the ISIS members came from those countries. They were not born in the 7 that Trump listed.

Most of WHAT ISIS members? 9/11/01? Things have changed if you haven't noticed. These places weren't actively engaged in Jihad at the time... they are today.

Where they were born isn't the issue. It's where they have gone to fight Jihad, and the fact that taking Jihad to America is one of their goals.

Bin Laden certainly learned to hate 'westernization' while in Saudi... because Saudi has endorsed 'acceptance' of more modern/western culture alongside Islam... and that is what these people are against.... but Saudi kept him mostly under control which is why he left to fight Jihad.

That's what you guys need to understand. This isn't about 'nations'... It's about a rather obtuse regional conflict that moves from place to place based on opportunity. SOME nations in those areas have solid/reliable identification processes and histories and military/government and some do not. These 7 do not.

Obama had the same nations on the US Treasury's list of nations against which we impose sanctions 'for national security'.... and NOT places like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

You're implying that this is pure coincidence.