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(02-09-2017 03:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  OK, so what makes Jeff Sessions a racist?

he did try to jail people for registering black voters.

He was acting in his official capacity in a voter fraud case. Try again.

are you for fu**ing real?
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(02-09-2017 12:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  In 1836, the Jacksonian majority silenced former president John Quincy Adams for the same reason the Trump Republicans shut down the Massachusetts senator



" I'm talking about the very similar debate that roiled Congress 181 years ago this week. At that time, Rep. Henry Pickney of South Carolina and the conservative majority of Congress sought to silence Rep. John Quincy Adams of Massachusetts for quoting from constituent petitions calling for the abolition of slavery in the District of Columbia. "

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politic...ery-debate


It's not a coinsidence that this was used to silence Warren while reading Coretta Scott King's letter who happens to be the wife of a black civil rights leader.

These people aren't dumb. They know exactly what they are doing. It's not ever a dog whistle anymore. They aren't talking in code.

This administration has given them the confidence to show their true colors unashamed.

Trump's America

Buyers remorse anyone?

I doubt it.

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

What exactly are "they" doing?

Trying to restore some modicum of the decorum that the worlds greatest deliberative body once operated by?

Face it, progs, your buddy cowboy chasing dickhead Reid freaking wrecked ANY sense of good will, compromise and willingness to reach across the aisle a loooooong time ago.

That McConnell is trying to get that place put back in order should be commended, and yes, that means not allowing members to slander others on the Senate floor.

Lunatic Fauxcahontas was wrong and got called out, and shut down because of it.

The left used to at least have a bit of class, now? Yea, not so much.

Well what do you think they are doing?

They have the whitest administration since the 1980's.

They have an attorney general who was too racist to be confirmed in the 1980s

They have imposed a Muslim bann.

They are attempting to limit legal immigration.

And now they have hired a lawyer that fought to continue interracial marriage bans.


And you can't figure out what they are doing? REally?

05-nono

Nono. You said "they know exactly what they are doing", so I asked What, exactly, are they doing? And who's "They"?

What does the "whitest" mean? Other than an overt racist comment? Are you simply looking at someones skin color and passing judgement? Sure sounds like it.

Something on the order of 85-90% of all Muslims and majority Muslim nations are NOT a part of the 7, yes SEVEN, failed nation-states that were part of the zerO administrations watch/"Countries of concern" list. Not the other 50, yes FIFTY or so.

It's 90 freaking days, a temporary pause until the Feds can hopefully get their act together.

Of course we should limit legal immigration. We always have, historically (Was Ellis Island not taught in history of the world Part 1?) and always will.

Is this something new to you? Really?

Please tell me/us who this lawyer is and when they were continuing this "fight". That was pretty well settled more than 50 years ago, if memory serves. That's gotta be one Ooooooold MoFo.

Your hysteria is becoming hysterical. 07-coffee3
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(02-09-2017 03:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  He was also one of the worst abusers of the crack vs powered cocaine sentencing controversy.

Can you quantify "one of the worst"?
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(02-09-2017 03:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  He was also one of the worst abusers of the crack vs powered cocaine sentencing controversy.

Can you quantify "one of the worst"?

he had the highest prosecutions or convictions per capita under those laws. I forget what specifically it was but he led the nation in something regarding prosecuting that law.
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(02-09-2017 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  OK, so what makes Jeff Sessions a racist?

he did try to jail people for registering black voters.

He was acting in his official capacity in a voter fraud case. Try again.

are you for fu**ing real?

Serious as a heart attack.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...6271cf9b70

Quote:In 1982, then-District Attorney Roy L. Johnson wrote to Sessions about complaints of voting irregularities and said the most serious allegations involved interference with absentee ballots. (Johnson is now deceased.) Absentee ballots were a tool to turn out rural black voters without fear of intimidation at the polls, but legitimate questions were raised about fraud.

In 1983, a majority-black state grand jury weighed these voter fraud allegations and found serious problems — primarily with the tampering of the right of black Perry County citizens to vote — and asked the federal government to intervene.

But Sessions did not investigate.

“My feeling was that the problem would not continue; that the people would straighten up, clean up, after their act. And I saw no reason to prosecute after the county had not prosecuted, and we did not,” Sessions said, adding that irregularities that year involved only a few ballots.

Then, in 1984, black officeholders complained of voter fraud and filed an election contest, Sessions said. Perry County, one of the smallest Alabama counties with a population of 15,000, had more absentee ballots filed than Jefferson County, population 700,000, according to a local news article.

Investigators interviewed witnesses who said their ballots were changed and observed a post office where Turner and other activists dropped off ballots. They tracked the ballots and found about 75 out of 700 had been changed, Sessions said — a larger scale than was alleged in 1982.

Quote:The prosecution brought a weak case and was understaffed and underprepared compared with the defense. Prosecutors unsuccessfully argued that even legal ballot changes — in the form of voter assistance for the elderly and the illiterate — constituted voter fraud.

Sessions was not personally involved in the case until the end, when it became clear that the prosecutors would fail.

Sessions was not personally involved in the case until the end, when it became clear that the prosecutors would fail. He acknowledged that “one of the things I think I failed in doing — we only have eight lawyers in the office. I only had two lawyers assigned to the case” against a 10-person defense team comprising experienced civil rights lawyers.

Some black voters testified that they didn’t authorize any changes to their ballots. But others, who had told the FBI that their ballots were changed without approval, changed their testimony during the trial.
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(02-09-2017 03:23 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  OK, so what makes Jeff Sessions a racist?

he did try to jail people for registering black voters.

He was acting in his official capacity in a voter fraud case. Try again.

are you for fu**ing real?

Serious as a heart attack.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...6271cf9b70

Quote:In 1982, then-District Attorney Roy L. Johnson wrote to Sessions about complaints of voting irregularities and said the most serious allegations involved interference with absentee ballots. (Johnson is now deceased.) Absentee ballots were a tool to turn out rural black voters without fear of intimidation at the polls, but legitimate questions were raised about fraud.

In 1983, a majority-black state grand jury weighed these voter fraud allegations and found serious problems — primarily with the tampering of the right of black Perry County citizens to vote — and asked the federal government to intervene.

But Sessions did not investigate.

“My feeling was that the problem would not continue; that the people would straighten up, clean up, after their act. And I saw no reason to prosecute after the county had not prosecuted, and we did not,” Sessions said, adding that irregularities that year involved only a few ballots.

Then, in 1984, black officeholders complained of voter fraud and filed an election contest, Sessions said. Perry County, one of the smallest Alabama counties with a population of 15,000, had more absentee ballots filed than Jefferson County, population 700,000, according to a local news article.

Investigators interviewed witnesses who said their ballots were changed and observed a post office where Turner and other activists dropped off ballots. They tracked the ballots and found about 75 out of 700 had been changed, Sessions said — a larger scale than was alleged in 1982.

Quote:The prosecution brought a weak case and was understaffed and underprepared compared with the defense. Prosecutors unsuccessfully argued that even legal ballot changes — in the form of voter assistance for the elderly and the illiterate — constituted voter fraud.

Sessions was not personally involved in the case until the end, when it became clear that the prosecutors would fail.

I raise you:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/magaz....html?_r=0

But by the early 1980s, a local group, Concerned Citizens of Perry County, and a branch of the White Citizens Council, historically a white supremacist network, were working against Turner’s group to elect what they called a “coalition” of white and black candidates. A handbill from nearby Greene County urged voters to “support good, responsible blacks” to defeat “the radical forces of the black front.”

Concerned about white absentee voting from afar, black leaders sent Turner to Washington, to complain to lawyers at the Justice Department, whose job was to enforce the Voting Rights Act. “They said, ‘We can’t do anything,’” Sanders remembers. “‘It’s a gray area in the law. Y’all need to learn to use the absentee-ballot process yourselves.’”

Turner did so, attending workshops in the Alabama attorney general’s office in hopes of increasing turnout among local rural black voters. “Once I learned myself, then it was my job to go out through the area and teach the rest of the counties how the law worked,” he later testified before Congress. The activists started visiting people at home, helping them fill out their ballots and mailing them. In 1982, his work paid off. The number of black absentee voters rose, and in Perry, Greene and three other counties in the Black Belt, black candidates, including those supported by Turner’s group, won majorities on the school board and county commissions.

After the election, the local district attorney convened a grand jury to investigate absentee balloting, focusing only on black voters aided by Turner’s group. The grand jury did not indict anyone.

In September 1984, before primary elections, the district attorney and a black candidate from the black-and-white coalition asked for a federal investigation by the United States attorney for Southern Alabama — Jeff Sessions.

Federal prosecutors have enormous discretion over which cases to bring. It’s not clear why a fight among county politicians would have interested them, absent the larger shift in the Black Belt’s racial dynamics. The night before the primary, Sessions stationed an F.B.I. agent outside the Perry County post office. The agent saw Albert and Evelyn Turner and a third activist, Spencer Hogue, mailing hundreds of absentee ballots. The F.B.I. opened the ballots and found 75 with candidate votes they suspected had been erased or re-marked.

The government later lowered the number of disputed ballots to 27, but they still sparked a giant investigation. Ten F.B.I. agents fanned out, interviewing more than 1,000 residents about whether they could read or write, whether anyone helped them vote and whether they had altered their own ballots. The Black Belt includes 10 or so counties; the F.B.I. concentrated on the five in which black voters were making strides toward political ascendance. And in each of the five counties, the government targeted longtime black activists and political leaders — figures like Turner.

In October, as part of the investigation and before the general election, Sessions’s office convened a federal grand jury more than 160 miles south, in Mobile, where the jury pool included more white people. Surrounded by F.B.I. agents and police with guns, about 20 black voters from Perry County, many older and some frail, were taken by bus to Mobile, where they were fingerprinted, photographed and questioned by the grand jury about their votes. “This was the most degrading thing,” the Rev. O.C. Dobynes, who accompanied the voters on the bus, told Congress a year later. “To me, it was just simply saying, We are going to scare you into saying what we want you to say.”

Albert and Evelyn Turner and Spencer Hogue were indicted in January 1985 on 29 counts, for mail fraud, conspiracy to commit voting fraud and voting more than once. Sessions and his assistants claimed the defendants filled out the disputed absentee ballots themselves. Each faced decades in prison.

Liebman also described evidence of absentee-voting irregularities, including altered ballots, on behalf of candidates, both black and white, who were primarily supported by white voters. But Sessions told the Senate that “no evidence was presented to us at that time of fraud by whites, at least anything credible.”

Justice Department policy in the 1980s supported bringing election cases “only when federal involvement is either necessary to vindicate paramount federal interests, or as a prosecutor of last resort to redress longstanding patterns of egregious electoral abuse.”

During the trial, the prosecution adopted an exceptionally broad theory, arguing that it was a crime for a voter to sign a ballot that someone else filled out for him. “Even if the voter authorizes someone to complete the ballot?” the judge asked. “That is correct,” one of Sessions’s assistants said. The judge ruled that this theory was contrary to election law and the Constitution, and at the close of trial, threw out many of the counts against the Turners and Hogue. They were acquitted of the rest by the jury, which had been picked in Mobile and had seven black members and five white ones.
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Again, why does any of that make HIM PERSONALLY a racist?
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(02-09-2017 02:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 02:46 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 12:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  In 1836, the Jacksonian majority silenced former president John Quincy Adams for the same reason the Trump Republicans shut down the Massachusetts senator



" I'm talking about the very similar debate that roiled Congress 181 years ago this week. At that time, Rep. Henry Pickney of South Carolina and the conservative majority of Congress sought to silence Rep. John Quincy Adams of Massachusetts for quoting from constituent petitions calling for the abolition of slavery in the District of Columbia. "

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politic...ery-debate


It's not a coinsidence that this was used to silence Warren while reading Coretta Scott King's letter who happens to be the wife of a black civil rights leader.

These people aren't dumb. They know exactly what they are doing. It's not ever a dog whistle anymore. They aren't talking in code.

This administration has given them the confidence to show their true colors unashamed.

Trump's America

Buyers remorse anyone?

I doubt it.

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

What exactly are "they" doing?

Trying to restore some modicum of the decorum that the worlds greatest deliberative body once operated by?

Face it, progs, your buddy cowboy chasing dickhead Reid freaking wrecked ANY sense of good will, compromise and willingness to reach across the aisle a loooooong time ago.

That McConnell is trying to get that place put back in order should be commended, and yes, that means not allowing members to slander others on the Senate floor.

Lunatic Fauxcahontas was wrong and got called out, and shut down because of it.

The left used to at least have a bit of class, now? Yea, not so much.

Well what do you think they are doing?

They have the whitest administration since the 1980's.

They have an attorney general who was too racist to be confirmed in the 1980s

They have imposed a Muslim bann.

They are attempting to limit legal immigration.

And now they have hired a lawyer that fought to continue interracial marriage bans.


And you can't figure out what they are doing? REally?

You still haven't answered my question on that. Makes me think you're scared of answering it. Why?
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(02-09-2017 03:32 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Again, why does any of that make HIM PERSONALLY a racist?

His involvement in that case which was obviously racially charged. also his involvement in the crack vs powered cocaine controversy.

not to mention multiple coworkers have claimed he made jokes about the KKK.
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(02-09-2017 03:32 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Again, why does any of that make HIM PERSONALLY a racist?

1. His involvement in that case which was obviously racially charged.

2. also his involvement in the crack vs powered cocaine controversy.

3. not to mention multiple coworkers have claimed he made jokes about the KKK.

1. OK... so who should have taken that case? Would anybody who took the defense on that case been called a racist? Should anyone who represents an accused killer get the same kind of treatment?

2. Looks like the opposite is true to me.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/polit.../95478038/
Quote:essions, as a federal prosecutor in southern Alabama in the 1980s and early '90s, was one of the most hard-charging soldiers in the war on drugs who aggressively pursued dealers and users, big and small, and touted the harsh sentences as an effective deterrent.

But as a Republican senator in the 2000s, he grew critical of a cocaine sentencing policy that was tougher on crack than powder and the racial imbalance it created in federal prisons around the country.

The severe punishments for the cheap crystallized cocaine, compared to the more expensive powdered version, had become enough of a racial blight on the criminal justice system that even law-and-order conservatives like Sessions wanted reform. Sessions had seen firsthand how five grams of crack drew a mandatory five-year sentence, while it took 500 grams of powder to trigger the same sentence.

He introduced legislation in 2001 to narrow the gap.

“I think we're at a point now where this 100-to-1 disparity that does fall heavier on the African-American community, simply because that's where crack is most often used, has got to be fixed,” Sessions said during the debate in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

3. Hearsay.
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(02-09-2017 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  OK, so what makes Jeff Sessions a racist?

he did try to jail people for registering black voters.

He was acting in his official capacity in a voter fraud case. Try again.

are you for fu**ing real?
It was in Perry county Alabama. It had nothing to do with white folks suppressing the black vote. Look up the case.
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1. please tell me you know the difference between working for the prosecution vs the defense. everyone deserves a fair trail so I will never criticize anyone for taking on a defensive role. However being a prosecutor requires extreme ethics knowing when a case is appropriate to bring forward and when it should be dropped. not only did sessions make a critical mistake in pressing the case his involvement was what started that case in the first place. so it's a problem on two fronts.

2. do your research. according to you George Wallace and Robert Byrd did nothing wrong simply because they recanted their racists attitudes. Sessions recanted on his attitudes towards crack/powered cocaine. but that doesn't excuse his previous track record on it.

3. It's not hearsay when it is brought up specifically to contradict sessions's own statements. The fact that his coworkers are willing to say he did those things ==> where there's smoke there's fire.
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(02-09-2017 03:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  OK, so what makes Jeff Sessions a racist?

he did try to jail people for registering black voters.

He was acting in his official capacity in a voter fraud case. Try again.

are you for fu**ing real?
It was in Perry county Alabama. It had nothing to do with white folks suppressing the black vote. Look up the case.

the case was completely unprecedented on a wide range of levels.
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(02-09-2017 03:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. please tell me you know the difference between working for the prosecution vs the defense. everyone deserves a fair trail so I will never criticize anyone for taking on a defensive role. However being a prosecutor requires extreme ethics knowing when a case is appropriate to bring forward and when it should be dropped. not only did sessions make a critical mistake in pressing the case his involvement was what started that case in the first place. so it's a problem on two fronts.

2. do your research. according to you George Wallace and Robert Byrd did nothing wrong simply because they recanted their racists attitudes. Sessions recanted on his attitudes towards crack/powered cocaine. but that doesn't excuse his previous track record on it.

3. It's not hearsay when it is brought up specifically to contradict sessions's own statements. The fact that his coworkers are willing to say he did those things ==> where there's smoke there's fire.

1. LOL
2. Nice leap there. Never brought either of those guys up so don't put words in my mouth. People can't change?
3. Yes, it is hearsay.
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Quote:Nono. You said "they know exactly what they are doing", so I asked What, exactly,
Quote:are they doing? And who's "They"?

By they I mean the GOP. They are stacking the deck. You know exactly what I mean.

Quote:What does the "whitest" mean? Other than an overt racist comment? Are you simply looking at someones skin color and passing judgement? Sure sounds like it.


Do you not know that we live in a diverse country with all kinds of people? Don't you think the administration should reflect the diversity of the country?




Quote:It's 90 freaking days, a temporary pause until the Feds can hopefully get their act together.

Then why is Trump calling it a ban? We'll see in 90 days.

Quote:Of course we should limit legal immigration. We always have, historically (Was Ellis Island not taught in history of the world Part 1?) and always will.

Of course we have always limited immigration. No one is denying it. When and how you do it is the issue.




Quote:Please tell me/us who this lawyer is and when they were continuing this "fight". That was pretty well settled more than 50 years ago, if memory serves. That's gotta be one Ooooooold MoFo.

This happened in 1986. I know it may surprise you but this happened 30 years ago. Look it up.
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(02-09-2017 03:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  he did try to jail people for registering black voters.

He was acting in his official capacity in a voter fraud case. Try again.

are you for fu**ing real?
It was in Perry county Alabama. It had nothing to do with white folks suppressing the black vote. Look up the case.

the case was completely unprecedented on a wide range of levels.

So what. You believe whatever fairy tale you desire
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(02-09-2017 03:55 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. please tell me you know the difference between working for the prosecution vs the defense. everyone deserves a fair trail so I will never criticize anyone for taking on a defensive role. However being a prosecutor requires extreme ethics knowing when a case is appropriate to bring forward and when it should be dropped. not only did sessions make a critical mistake in pressing the case his involvement was what started that case in the first place. so it's a problem on two fronts.

2. do your research. according to you George Wallace and Robert Byrd did nothing wrong simply because they recanted their racists attitudes. Sessions recanted on his attitudes towards crack/powered cocaine. but that doesn't excuse his previous track record on it.

3. It's not hearsay when it is brought up specifically to contradict sessions's own statements. The fact that his coworkers are willing to say he did those things ==> where there's smoke there's fire.

1. LOL
2. Nice leap there. Never brought either of those guys up so don't put words in my mouth. People can't change?
3. Yes, it is hearsay.

1. LOL ==> or in other words you can't defend yourself on this one.

2. No but you said what he did later in his life completely nullifies what he did only a couple of years prior.

3. No it's not. there is a reason we have character witnesses and witnesses brought before trial specifically to dispute another persons testimony.

you are responding with only stupid comments to my complete destruction of your statements. you have not given one legitimate rebuttal to any of those three points.
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(02-09-2017 03:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:54 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:12 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  He was acting in his official capacity in a voter fraud case. Try again.

are you for fu**ing real?
It was in Perry county Alabama. It had nothing to do with white folks suppressing the black vote. Look up the case.

the case was completely unprecedented on a wide range of levels.

So what. You believe whatever fairy tale you desire

this is a real event that actually happened, became a national story, and nearly sunk sessions career.
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RE: Abolition gag rule
(02-09-2017 04:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:55 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. please tell me you know the difference between working for the prosecution vs the defense. everyone deserves a fair trail so I will never criticize anyone for taking on a defensive role. However being a prosecutor requires extreme ethics knowing when a case is appropriate to bring forward and when it should be dropped. not only did sessions make a critical mistake in pressing the case his involvement was what started that case in the first place. so it's a problem on two fronts.

2. do your research. according to you George Wallace and Robert Byrd did nothing wrong simply because they recanted their racists attitudes. Sessions recanted on his attitudes towards crack/powered cocaine. but that doesn't excuse his previous track record on it.

3. It's not hearsay when it is brought up specifically to contradict sessions's own statements. The fact that his coworkers are willing to say he did those things ==> where there's smoke there's fire.

1. LOL
2. Nice leap there. Never brought either of those guys up so don't put words in my mouth. People can't change?
3. Yes, it is hearsay.

1. LOL ==> or in other words you can't defend yourself on this one.

2. No but you said what he did later in his life completely nullifies what he did only a couple of years prior.

3. No it's not. there is a reason we have character witnesses and witnesses brought before trial specifically to dispute another persons testimony.

you are responding with only stupid comments to my complete destruction of your statements. you have not given one legitimate rebuttal to any of those three points.

I don't need to defend myself. You've already made yourself out to be a fool on this forum for the millionth time. Go ahead and think you won. I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that you're a lost cause for now. Maybe in another 10 years or so you'll get it. For now I'm out.
02-09-2017 04:13 PM
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RE: Abolition gag rule
(02-09-2017 04:13 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 04:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:55 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 03:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. please tell me you know the difference between working for the prosecution vs the defense. everyone deserves a fair trail so I will never criticize anyone for taking on a defensive role. However being a prosecutor requires extreme ethics knowing when a case is appropriate to bring forward and when it should be dropped. not only did sessions make a critical mistake in pressing the case his involvement was what started that case in the first place. so it's a problem on two fronts.

2. do your research. according to you George Wallace and Robert Byrd did nothing wrong simply because they recanted their racists attitudes. Sessions recanted on his attitudes towards crack/powered cocaine. but that doesn't excuse his previous track record on it.

3. It's not hearsay when it is brought up specifically to contradict sessions's own statements. The fact that his coworkers are willing to say he did those things ==> where there's smoke there's fire.

1. LOL
2. Nice leap there. Never brought either of those guys up so don't put words in my mouth. People can't change?
3. Yes, it is hearsay.

1. LOL ==> or in other words you can't defend yourself on this one.

2. No but you said what he did later in his life completely nullifies what he did only a couple of years prior.

3. No it's not. there is a reason we have character witnesses and witnesses brought before trial specifically to dispute another persons testimony.

you are responding with only stupid comments to my complete destruction of your statements. you have not given one legitimate rebuttal to any of those three points.

I don't need to defend myself. You've already made yourself out to be a fool on this forum for the millionth time. Go ahead and think you won. I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that you're a lost cause for now. Maybe in another 10 years or so you'll get it. For now I'm out.

no you are just in complete denial. you are dead wrong on all three points. not wrong in a matter of "we can agree to disagree" kind of wrong. wrong as if "you deny gravity exists, I say gravity is real" kind of way.
02-09-2017 04:17 PM
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