(02-07-2017 04:54 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 01:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:   I would hope that the literacy rate is greater today than 30 years ago because there were a lot more people alive 30 years ago that had to drop out of school and go to work to feed their family during the Great Depression. Guess what.....the literary rate will be greater tomorrow than it is today because of the deaths of those same people today.

The Great Depression didn't occur in the 1980's.....

He didn't say it did.

(02-07-2017 01:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Majority of the family cannot afford the charter schools. In Michigan, the funding for public schools was cut back and given to charter schools. Devos wants to eliminate Public schools period.

This post is ALMOST as dumb as your conference realignment scenarios.

(02-07-2017 02:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Maybe smart people are leaving michigan

Well, the one's that move south sure as hell THINK they know it all.

(02-07-2017 02:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 02:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 02:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 01:59 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 01:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  THAT'S what you are going to use as a defense?

I would hope that the literacy rate is greater today than 30 years ago because there were a lot more people alive 30 years ago that had to drop out of school and go to work to feed their family during the Great Depression. Guess what.....the literary rate will be greater tomorrow than it is today because of the deaths of those same people today.



Now explain why if our public schools are so great why we are 17th in reading, 20th in science, and 27th in mathematics in the OECD.

Too bad they didn't have a social engineering category because I feel sure that we are first in the number of boys taking a crap in the girl's restroom.

It's not a defense. It was a suggestion.

Defense or suggestion it was extremely stupid either way.

Now "suggest" the miserable numbers later in the post.

If you want to find out why our school system is not as good as those in other countries, look into their systems and see what they are doing that we aren't doing.

Personally, I think it is comparing apples and oranges because our country is very different that other countries.

However, if you compare our kids today and what they know to kids of yesterday, clearly our school system isn't failing.

Of course, you don't want to and dismiss it out of hand because you know I'm right.

When a high school graduate today can't balance a checkbook, read a tape measure, write in cursive, or simply make change without having to use a calculator or a register our system is failing.

But they know German and French!

Im still waiting for mach to provide a list of the top publc schools.

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(02-07-2017 04:54 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 01:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:   I would hope that the literacy rate is greater today than 30 years ago because there were a lot more people alive 30 years ago that had to drop out of school and go to work to feed their family during the Great Depression. Guess what.....the literary rate will be greater tomorrow than it is today because of the deaths of those same people today.

The Great Depression didn't occur in the 1980's.....

Are you a HS graduate?

(02-07-2017 04:54 PM)Otacon Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 01:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:   I would hope that the literacy rate is greater today than 30 years ago because there were a lot more people alive 30 years ago that had to drop out of school and go to work to feed their family during the Great Depression. Guess what.....the literary rate will be greater tomorrow than it is today because of the deaths of those same people today.

The Great Depression didn't occur in the 1980's.....

Yea, that one had me a bit as well.

Bad hair bands, acid washed jeans, leg warmers and swatch watches, yea. There were plenty of mistakes, but the Great Depression wasn't one of them...

*Edit- Ok, read it too quickly myself. Lot of people still alive then that..., got it.

Schools in the South don't suck. Not sure why you would assume they did. I went to a magnet elementary school in Montgomery, AL and was doing algebra in 5th and 6th grade. My high school offered AP programs and prepared me adequately for college. It was also a majority minority school.

The problem with public schools is that good teachers aren't encouraged to innovate and the bad teachers get tenure after 3 measly years and then are basically unfireable.

(02-07-2017 06:08 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Schools in the South don't suck. Not sure why you would assume they did. I went to a magnet elementary school in Montgomery, AL and was doing algebra in 5th and 6th grade. My high school offered AP programs and prepared me adequately for college. It was also a majority minority school.

The problem with public schools is that good teachers aren't encouraged to innovate and the bad teachers get tenure after 3 measly years and then are basically unfireable.

Just Mach getting his mach on, he does this periodically. There are plenty of fine schools all over, I went to one, my Wife had very good schools, my kids went to two fine HS's, one also a majority minority school.

There are "good" or better schools all over, and there are plenty of really, really schitty schools in all parts of the Country. It's usually not too hard to predict where you'll find the crappy ones...

Mach...I agree this woman is not qualified for this position. My problem is the last 8 years of the Obama administration has been a failure on education with someone that was.

(02-07-2017 06:33 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Mach...I agree this woman is not qualified for this position. My problem is the last 8 years of the Obama administration has been a failure on education with someone that was.

Not qualified based on what? Not being familiar with a bunch of educrat jargon?

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The problem with these magnet schools or privates. They improve maybe 15% at the expense of the 85%. Why not fund all schools to a certain level? I know the answer. Keeps people ignorant and dumb and voting Red. Global warming is this evil hoax. Evolution is the work of the devil.

Fact is. Reality has a liberal bias.

(02-08-2017 08:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The problem with these magnet schools or privates. They improve maybe 15% at the expense of the 85%. Why not fund all schools to a certain level? I know the answer. Keeps people ignorant and dumb and voting Red. Global warming is this evil hoax. Evolution is the work of the devil.

Fact is. Reality has a liberal bias.

Put the bottle down.

(02-08-2017 08:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The problem with these magnet schools or privates. They improve maybe 15% at the expense of the 85%. Why not fund all schools to a certain level? I know the answer. Keeps people ignorant and dumb and voting Red. Global warming is this evil hoax. Evolution is the work of the devil.

Fact is. Reality has a liberal bias.

Still waiting, Mach.

(02-08-2017 08:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The problem with these magnet schools or privates. They improve maybe 15% at the expense of the 85%. Why not fund all schools to a certain level? I know the answer. Keeps people ignorant and dumb and voting Red. Global warming is this evil hoax. Evolution is the work of the devil.

So you'd deny the 15%? We should be trying to help as many students to achieve as possible. Some are never going to be helped, no matter how much funding is provided. Put the funds where they are going to do the most good.

(02-08-2017 08:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The problem with these magnet schools or privates. They improve maybe 15% at the expense of the 85%. Why not fund all schools to a certain level? I know the answer. Keeps people ignorant and dumb and voting Red. Global warming is this evil hoax. Evolution is the work of the devil.

So you admit that they improve the 15%, which is their purpose. Whether they make the 85% worse is open to debate. And it's not a matter of funding. Funding has skyrocketed since the Department of Education was created, and results have flatlined at best. We spend more than any other country in the world on education. And what we have is doing a really effective job of keeping our inner cities dumb, poor, dependent on handouts--and therefore reliably democrat on election day.

I find it interesting that 8 years ago the left wildly embraced calls for "radical transformation" of our "broken" health care system. Our education system's performance pretty much mirrors that health care performance--highest cost in the world, without the best performance. And the "best" performers use a different approach from ours. If anything, education is doing worse because performance is trending down. And the education metrics are pretty clear and objective, and we are failing across the board, whereas for health care our performance was overall pretty good, and exceptional in numerous areas. it was just too expensive (and still is after the left made their "improvements"). Yet the same left says don't change anything, just throw more money at it.

I guess the doctors' unions aren't as reliably democrat as the teachers' unions. But it's not really the teachers' fault. If we got rid of the excessive non-productive overhead and social engineering costs, we could cut total education spending and still put more into the classroom where it is needed.

It's an end around Brown vs. Board of Ed and a way to fund Billy Bob's Baptist school with public money.

(02-08-2017 08:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The problem with these magnet schools or privates. They improve maybe 15% at the expense of the 85%. Why not fund all schools to a certain level? I know the answer. Keeps people ignorant and dumb and voting Red. Global warming is this evil hoax. Evolution is the work of the devil.

Fact is. Reality has a liberal bias.

Because the money is going to administrators to push paper, award contracts to their friends in exchange for kickbacks, and enforce and comply with stupid rules, not to the schools and the teachers.

(02-08-2017 08:42 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Fact is. Reality has a liberal bias.

No. Liberal bias has a liberal bias.

Here's some other things I've been spit balling around. When you remove the best kids from public schools into their own little "magnet" school you harm both populations. One set gets a faux elite status. They become out of touch. You definitely see this with homeschooled kids. They just aren't as socially up to speed. Whenever a home schooled kid tries to get back into orbit at my school we ALWAYS have some sort of trouble with them. Fighting with peers. Parents want special treatment. It happens.

On the flip side whenever you have strivers in your group it raises the level of all of those around. This is the major reason I think northern schools do better than the southern schools on educating the whole. Look at ACT scores or IQ scores from state to state. I'm not saying you can't find elite schools in the south because you can, I just think they do a crappy job of educating the whole. They don't have the "buy in" to improve public schools because their kids are off in elite land.

Just my 2 cents.