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One of the regulation that Trump signed for the EO which I think he might have made a mistake was a regulation that Mines can't dump their waste in waterways that are used for drinkable water.

One of the aspects of EOs that gets missed is mentioned in the link, specifically:

Quote:Many executive orders are fairly mundane. George W. Bush’s orders included instructions to his secretary of Health and Human Services to develop a national program to enhance physical activity and participation in sports...

It would be a difficult task to establish some form of scale for rating impact of orders. And that would only be fair when comparing administrations.

Further, an EO reversing a previous President's EO would have a special status.

Taking all that into consideration, I'd vote that Trump's first two weeks have been quite significant when compared to his predecessors.

Good find. If Trump can get close to Calvin Coolidge?...He will be my favorite POTUS of all time. Cal is probably the most frugal and tough MOFO ever... in regard to limiting government and cutting taxes. Reagan was a lightweight compared to him.

Well, Trump has a ways to go after signing 8 thus far. Obama issued 276 over two terms - less than I would've guessed. FDR issued the most - a paltry 3,721. I assume WWII had a lot to do with the high number. I agree that it's not so much the number issued but the impacts or circumstances of the EO's.

I would like to see a list of what every president EO was about the first month in office.

(02-03-2017 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Well, Trump has a ways to go after signing 8 thus far. Obama issued 276 over two terms - less than I would've guessed. FDR issued the most - a paltry 3,721. I assume WWII had a lot to do with the high number. I agree that it's not so much the number issued but the impacts or circumstances of the EO's.

Silent Cal was the schit. I knew he was probably Americas first Libertarian..but..I had no idea that he signed that many EO's... most of them cutting waste and reducing the size of government.

The issue has never been about how many EO, but what was in the EO.

I said this throughout the Obama administration.

They could sign a million EO's for all I care, as long as they are within the law and do some actual good.

(02-03-2017 09:20 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The issue has never been about how many EO, but what was in the EO.

I said this throughout the Obama administration.

They could sign a million EO's for all I care, as long as they are within the law and do some actual good.

Well said.

(02-03-2017 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Well, Trump has a ways to go after signing 8 thus far. Obama issued 276 over two terms - less than I would've guessed. FDR issued the most - a paltry 3,721. I assume WWII had a lot to do with the high number. I agree that it's not so much the number issued but the impacts or circumstances of the EO's.

Being elected to 4 terms, using EO to start the WPA in 1933 to pull out of a depression, a world war and starting the entitlement state takes a lot of orders.

(02-03-2017 09:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Well, Trump has a ways to go after signing 8 thus far. Obama issued 276 over two terms - less than I would've guessed. FDR issued the most - a paltry 3,721. I assume WWII had a lot to do with the high number. I agree that it's not so much the number issued but the impacts or circumstances of the EO's.

Silent Cal was the schit. I knew he was probably Americas first Libertarian..but..I had no idea that he signed that many EO's... most of them cutting waste and reducing the size of government.

He earned his reputation as a calm, cool, and methodical operator during his time as the Governor of Massachusetts. He had to not only deal with union-related rioting, he had to deal with the Boston police being the ones doing that rioting too.

“There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody, anywhere, anytime,”

Legend.

(02-03-2017 09:34 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 09:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 09:08 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Well, Trump has a ways to go after signing 8 thus far. Obama issued 276 over two terms - less than I would've guessed. FDR issued the most - a paltry 3,721. I assume WWII had a lot to do with the high number. I agree that it's not so much the number issued but the impacts or circumstances of the EO's.

Silent Cal was the schit. I knew he was probably Americas first Libertarian..but..I had no idea that he signed that many EO's... most of them cutting waste and reducing the size of government.

He earned his reputation as a calm, cool, and methodical operator during his time as the Governor of Massachusetts. He had to not only deal with union-related rioting, he had to deal with the Boston police being the ones doing that rioting too.

“There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody, anywhere, anytime,”

Legend.

He is probably the best ignored POTUS. I need to reread "The quiet president" again. I read it 35 years ago in college and never thought much about it then. It probably would mean more now.

A quick review shows that Obama issued 8 EOs within his first 10 days, all of which were far reaching. For example:

...review with intention of closing, Guantanamo
...making it difficult to access Presidential records
...favoring, if not outright requiring, unionization of federal contractors

Pretty significant and certainly on a par with Trump.

Advantage: push

Here are Trumps EO's. Everyone of them are perfectly within his right, as he is either undoing something Obama did, or doing something Obama did. Because of that, none of them should be controversial to anyone who didnt get butthurt at Obama doing the same thing.

Since taking office, President Trump has looked to fulfill some of his campaign promises by using executive orders.

1. An order directing the Treasury secretary to review the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulatory law.
Because the democratic congress gave wide latitude to the Treasury to come up with implementation regulations, a new Treasury is allowed to come up with their own. Dont like it? Then be a man and write the damned regulations in the bill instead of just pawning it off on the Treasury. Perfectly legal

2. A memorandum instructing the Labor Department to delay implementing an Obama rule requiring financial professionals who are giving advice on retirement, and who charge commissions, to put their client's interests first. Basically undoing an Obama EO. Perfectly legal.

3. An order instructing agencies that whenever they introduce a regulation, they must first abolish two others. Perfectly legal, and needed in order to get rid of mounds of unneeded regulation that does nothing but costs money to businesses.

4. A memorandum to restructure the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council. Nothing wrong with this, and perfectly within his right.

5. A memorandum directing the Secretary of Defense to draw up a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS.Perfectly within his right, and Obama should have done this. Obama may have done this, and just didnt like the plan they came up with.

6. An order to lengthen the ban on administration officials working as lobbyists. There is now a 5 year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government, and a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.glad its an EO. If the democrats ever take the whitehouse back over, watch them roll this one back so that they can start rebuilding their swampity swamp swamp.

7. An executive order imposing a 120-day suspension of the refugee program and a 90-day ban on travel to the U.S. from citizens of seven terror hot spots: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan. if you are butthurt over this, and said nary a word when Obama did it, then you are simply a hyprocrite. He's perfectly within his legal authority to do this.

8. Two multi-pronged orders on border security and immigration enforcement including: the authorization of a U.S.-Mexico border wall; the stripping of federal grant money to sanctuary cities; hiring 5,000 more Border Patrol agents; ending “catch-and-release” policies for illegal immigrants; and reinstating local and state immigration enforcement partnerships. basically undoing Obama policy and EO's. Perfectly legal

9. A memorandum calling for a 30-day review of military readiness. This is not only perfectly legal, but really necessary after Obama gutted the military.

10. Two orders reviving the Keystone XL pipeline and Dakota Access piplines. He also signed three other related orders that would: expedite the environmental permitting process for infrastructure projects related to the pipelines; direct the Commerce Department to streamline the manufacturing permitting process; and give the Commerce Department 180 days to maximize the use of U.S. steel in the pipeline. Some of these orders simply undo Obama's stupidity, and th eorder to US maximize steel use in the pipeline is even more #WINNING

11. An order to reinstate the so-called "Mexico City Policy" – a ban on federal funds to international groups that perform abortions or lobby to legalize or promote abortion. The policy was instituted in 1984 by President Reagan, but has gone into and out of effect depending on the party in power in the White House.Why democrats keep insisting that american taxpaer fund abortions is beyond me, but glad to see Trump looking out for babies and the american taxpayer. Perfectly legal

12. A notice that the U.S. will begin withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Trump called the order "a great thing for the American worker." and it is a great thing for the american worker, as we will get a better deal. And perfectly legal, because Obama decided not to send it to the Senate. Stupidity has consequences.

13. An order imposing a hiring freeze for some federal government workers as a way to shrink the size of government. This excludes the military, as Trump noted at the signing. Perfectly legal and needed. Drain that swampity swamp swamp

14. An order that directs federal agencies to ease the “regulatory burdens” of ObamaCare. It orders agencies to “waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement” of ObamaCare that imposes a “fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.” Although Obama did things with OBlundercare that was illegal under law, what Trump did here was perfectly legal.

Now, I'll try to get a list from Obama and show the stark difference in the early EO's. So far, Trump has done nothing illegal, and nothing thats even considered controversial as far as legality.

(02-04-2017 11:19 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Here are Trumps EO's. Everyone of them are perfectly within his right, as he is either undoing something Obama did, or doing something Obama did. Because of that, none of them should be controversial to anyone who didnt get butthurt at Obama doing the same thing.

Since taking office, President Trump has looked to fulfill some of his campaign promises by using executive orders.

1. An order directing the Treasury secretary to review the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial regulatory law.
Because the democratic congress gave wide latitude to the Treasury to come up with implementation regulations, a new Treasury is allowed to come up with their own. Dont like it? Then be a man and write the damned regulations in the bill instead of just pawning it off on the Treasury. Perfectly legal

2. A memorandum instructing the Labor Department to delay implementing an Obama rule requiring financial professionals who are giving advice on retirement, and who charge commissions, to put their client's interests first. Basically undoing an Obama EO. Perfectly legal.

3. An order instructing agencies that whenever they introduce a regulation, they must first abolish two others. Perfectly legal, and needed in order to get rid of mounds of unneeded regulation that does nothing but costs money to businesses.

4. A memorandum to restructure the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council. Nothing wrong with this, and perfectly within his right.

5. A memorandum directing the Secretary of Defense to draw up a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS.Perfectly within his right, and Obama should have done this. Obama may have done this, and just didnt like the plan they came up with.

6. An order to lengthen the ban on administration officials working as lobbyists. There is now a 5 year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government, and a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.glad its an EO. If the democrats ever take the whitehouse back over, watch them roll this one back so that they can start rebuilding their swampity swamp swamp.

7. An executive order imposing a 120-day suspension of the refugee program and a 90-day ban on travel to the U.S. from citizens of seven terror hot spots: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan. if you are butthurt over this, and said nary a word when Obama did it, then you are simply a hyprocrite. He's perfectly within his legal authority to do this.

8. Two multi-pronged orders on border security and immigration enforcement including: the authorization of a U.S.-Mexico border wall; the stripping of federal grant money to sanctuary cities; hiring 5,000 more Border Patrol agents; ending “catch-and-release” policies for illegal immigrants; and reinstating local and state immigration enforcement partnerships. basically undoing Obama policy and EO's. Perfectly legal

9. A memorandum calling for a 30-day review of military readiness. This is not only perfectly legal, but really necessary after Obama gutted the military.

10. Two orders reviving the Keystone XL pipeline and Dakota Access piplines. He also signed three other related orders that would: expedite the environmental permitting process for infrastructure projects related to the pipelines; direct the Commerce Department to streamline the manufacturing permitting process; and give the Commerce Department 180 days to maximize the use of U.S. steel in the pipeline. Some of these orders simply undo Obama's stupidity, and th eorder to US maximize steel use in the pipeline is even more #WINNING

11. An order to reinstate the so-called "Mexico City Policy" – a ban on federal funds to international groups that perform abortions or lobby to legalize or promote abortion. The policy was instituted in 1984 by President Reagan, but has gone into and out of effect depending on the party in power in the White House.Why democrats keep insisting that american taxpaer fund abortions is beyond me, but glad to see Trump looking out for babies and the american taxpayer. Perfectly legal

12. A notice that the U.S. will begin withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Trump called the order "a great thing for the American worker." and it is a great thing for the american worker, as we will get a better deal. And perfectly legal, because Obama decided not to send it to the Senate. Stupidity has consequences.

13. An order imposing a hiring freeze for some federal government workers as a way to shrink the size of government. This excludes the military, as Trump noted at the signing. Perfectly legal and needed. Drain that swampity swamp swamp

14. An order that directs federal agencies to ease the “regulatory burdens” of ObamaCare. It orders agencies to “waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement” of ObamaCare that imposes a “fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.” Although Obama did things with OBlundercare that was illegal under law, what Trump did here was perfectly legal.

Now, I'll try to get a list from Obama and show the stark difference in the early EO's. So far, Trump has done nothing illegal, and nothing thats even considered controversial as far as legality.

#1:It is more of the Goldman Sachs rule. who is going to rewrite the laws for the Treasury Department? People who were part of Goldman Sach's that destroyed our economy.

#3:One of the drawbacks was that one of the regulations being removed was that mines can not dump their waste in waterways that are drinking water. Trump did not learn that lesson from the Flint, Michigan disaster.

#5:ISIS and other terror cells are like hydras. Cut off the head of the leader, others will take their place. Using military force alone will not end the fight against terrorism.

#7:Charity groups and all that in lieu of the US government already vetted the refugees for charity medical issues which Trump disrupted.

#8:Mexico will refuse to pay for it, and many Republicans are now going to vote against the wall. The majority of the people over 70% opposed to the wall.

#10:Trump also ordered at the same time to steal land away from Ranchers, farmers and Native Americans for the damn pipeline when we get 0% of any of the oil. This is only benefit Canada and not for us.

#12:Ranchers and farmers depend free trade with countries with Mexico and the Asian and Australia areas. They are being robbed by the big corporations, and they could only break even with these trades. They would be hurt the biggest because of Trump. Trump have not considered that our farmers and ranchers are important to us, and if they lose money because of this? We could wind up with a food shortage in the US when they lose their land and go bankrupt.

#13:There are areas in the government that are also connected with the military. The family of service men and women do get food stamps or SNAP and Medicaid for the children when the bread winner gets less money than their normal jobs.

#14:Obamacare also have provisionings in it like the Black Lungs Disease for the coal miners which are Trump supporters, Medicaid spending which could also impact the family of the service men and women, people who are disabled, the elderly on paying less money on medications and so forth.


George W. Bush also wanted to close down Gitmo as well.

(02-04-2017 11:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  George W. Bush also wanted to close down Gitmo as well.

George Bush didnt endanger america by trying to empty the cells in a completely irresponsible way like Obama did. And Obama still failed to close it. He was told it was not going to be easy, or even possible, but Obama went ahead and opened his pie hole and said do it. He should have listened to those who had experience.

The rest of what you wrote is your opinion on the EO's, which really doesnt come into play. These EO's are legal, and uncontroversial.

If the Goldman Sachs rule as you put it was such a big deal, then you should be cussing Obama for not putting it in effect 8 years ago, instead of ensuring his friends wouldnt have to deal with it until he was out of office.

(02-04-2017 12:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-04-2017 11:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  George W. Bush also wanted to close down Gitmo as well.

George Bush didnt endanger america by trying to empty the cells in a completely irresponsible way like Obama did. And Obama still failed to close it. He was told it was not going to be easy, or even possible, but Obama went ahead and opened his pie hole and said do it. He should have listened to those who had experience.

The rest of what you wrote is your opinion on the EO's, which really doesnt come into play. These EO's are legal, and uncontroversial.

If the Goldman Sachs rule as you put it was such a big deal, then you should be cussing Obama for not putting it in effect 8 years ago, instead of ensuring his friends wouldnt have to deal with it until he was out of office.

Military experts said that about the terror groups. Take out the leader, a new one will take their place.

My friends who are ranchers and farmers said that with what Trump is doing with the free trade, they could be hit hard. They are very worried, and Trump does not realised that factor when he did the EO. Trade war with Mexico and other countries will even hurt them even more.

Military experts said that about the terror groups. Take out the leader, a new one will take their place.
Quote from David


That's the way it's supposed to work so where's the news. Why do you think the militaries have rank? Not too smart David, it shows you've never been in the military. Annnndddd…if whomever wants to be the main man in ISIS then go for it. It's like being a helicopter pilot or a crewman on a B17, they know what they're getting into and know the casualty rates for those jobs.

(02-04-2017 02:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Military experts said that about the terror groups. Take out the leader, a new one will take their place.
Quote from David


That's the way it's supposed to work so where's the news. Why do you think the militaries have rank? Not too smart David, it shows you've never been in the military. Annnndddd…if whomever wants to be the main man in ISIS then go for it. It's like being a helicopter pilot or a crewman on a B17, they know what they're getting into and know the casualty rates for those jobs.

A new leader took over for bin Laden.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery...170ac2616a

Here's an article from WaPo(!) decrying the hysteria criticizing Trump like he's creating the end of the world, when he is in fact, doing the same thing as every other president.

It gives a lot of specific examples of the hysteria. And the author is somewhat of a Trump critic.