(01-30-2017 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 11:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Since a border wall is going to be costly, why doesn't Trump use the Rio Grande as an advantage rather than a law.

If they would just let the water flow freely through the Rio Grande naturally, it would be too big and imposing to cross.

IDK how the water is controlled, is there a dam? Anyway, most of the illegal border crossings have been at the Arizona border. San Diego and El Paso fence systems are pretty effective.

So build the wall from California to the border with Texas and then release the water from the Dams on the Rio Grande.

It's too hard to cross when it has water in it.

Boats were invented a loooooooooooooong time ago.

Of course boats could cross the river. However, do you honestly think that the Border Patrol isn't going to notice a boat crossing the river?

Sheeesshh.

Oh, they notice. Up until now they have just allowed it.

(01-30-2017 12:35 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Hooooboy. I can't believe Fitfail would post this from El Paso. The Rio Chico is sometimes more puddles than river. Sometimes when we've gone fishing there we have to find LARGE puddles and hope there's fish there.

C'mon Fit, you're embarrassing us El Pasoans.

Don't be ridiculous. The Rio Grande has no water in it because of the dams. Do you honestly think that it would have received such a name because anyone could simply walk across it?

Read a history book for Pete's sake.

Since the mid–20th century, heavy water consumption of farms and cities along with many large diversion dams on the river has left only 20% of its natural discharge to flow to the Gulf.

^^^
Or they could just read wikipedia.

It USED to be Grande, now in most places above the DAMS it's the only places that have water because the water hasn't REACHED Elephant Butte Dam and Caballo Lake (?). But above those dams it's all the U.S.

Sometimes, repeat, sometimes when water is let out for irrigation there is a lot of water but that's a very short time. But, it's still not very deep except in places where there's low lying areas, those areas that stand out when there's minimal water like I said in a previous post, puddles.

(01-30-2017 12:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  IDK how the water is controlled, is there a dam? Anyway, most of the illegal border crossings have been at the Arizona border. San Diego and El Paso fence systems are pretty effective.

So build the wall from California to the border with Texas and then release the water from the Dams on the Rio Grande.

It's too hard to cross when it has water in it.

Boats were invented a loooooooooooooong time ago.

Of course boats could cross the river. However, do you honestly think that the Border Patrol isn't going to notice a boat crossing the river?

Sheeesshh.

Oh, they notice. Up until now they have just allowed it.

Yet another falsehood. Anyone that is seen crossing the river on a boat is stopped and processed.

That you would say such a thing is a n insult to the men and women that work for the border patrol.

(01-30-2017 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 11:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Since a border wall is going to be costly, why doesn't Trump use the Rio Grande as an advantage rather than a law.

If they would just let the water flow freely through the Rio Grande naturally, it would be too big and imposing to cross.

IDK how the water is controlled, is there a dam? Anyway, most of the illegal border crossings have been at the Arizona border. San Diego and El Paso fence systems are pretty effective.

So build the wall from California to the border with Texas and then release the water from the Dams on the Rio Grande.

It's too hard to cross when it has water in it.

Boats were invented a loooooooooooooong time ago.

So were ladders and shovels. I think the Mongolians proved a "Great Wall" alone won't keep people out a few thousand years ago.

(01-30-2017 12:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So build the wall from California to the border with Texas and then release the water from the Dams on the Rio Grande.

It's too hard to cross when it has water in it.

Boats were invented a loooooooooooooong time ago.

Of course boats could cross the river. However, do you honestly think that the Border Patrol isn't going to notice a boat crossing the river?

Sheeesshh.

Oh, they notice. Up until now they have just allowed it.

Yet another falsehood. Anyone that is seen crossing the river on a boat is stopped and processed.

That you would say such a thing is a n insult to the men and women that work for the border patrol.

Again, you've obviously never been there. If its 20% of its flow, it simply means you couldn't wade across. Sometimes it actually dries up before it reaches the Gulf. The idea that it was ever a mile wide is ludicrous if you've seen the banks and bluffs around the river. There are places upriver where you can hop from rock to rock and get across without getting wet. I've seen people crossing within site of the Brownsville bridge. Nobody was really paying attention. There are hundreds of miles with no border patrol. Met one German couple floating down the river in Big Bend National Park. They were kind of annoyed to see other people. They hadn't seen anyone in 3 weeks. In parts, if you want to get across the river you just pay the guy a buck to row you across. No border patrol anywhere in site.

Of course, at Big Bend, that is a remote part of Mexico AND Texas, so nobody really tries to cross in order to stay in the country.

(01-30-2017 12:45 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  It USED to be Grande, now in most places above the DAMS it's the only places that have water because the water hasn't REACHED Elephant Butte Dam and Caballo Lake (?). But above those dams it's all the U.S.

Sometimes, repeat, sometimes when water is let out for irrigation there is a lot of water but that's a very short time. But, it's still not very deep except in places where there's low lying areas, those areas that stand out when there's minimal water like I said in a previous post, puddles.

Look I know they aren't ever going to make the river the way it once was. It's wishful thinking.

I was simply suggesting that if Trump really wanted to have a physical barrier between Mexico and the United States, and money was a problem, he could solve it by simply releasing the water from the river.

Shoot, the origin of the river is in the United States. We shouldn't be obligated to give Mexico any water from that river.

I would love to see a canal from the Pacific to the Gulf.

(01-30-2017 02:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Boats were invented a loooooooooooooong time ago.

Of course boats could cross the river. However, do you honestly think that the Border Patrol isn't going to notice a boat crossing the river?

Sheeesshh.

Oh, they notice. Up until now they have just allowed it.

Yet another falsehood. Anyone that is seen crossing the river on a boat is stopped and processed.

That you would say such a thing is a n insult to the men and women that work for the border patrol.

Again, you've obviously never been there. If its 20% of its flow, it simply means you couldn't wade across. Sometimes it actually dries up before it reaches the Gulf. The idea that it was ever a mile wide is ludicrous if you've seen the banks and bluffs around the river. There are places upriver where you can hop from rock to rock and get across without getting wet. I've seen people crossing within site of the Brownsville bridge. Nobody was really paying attention. There are hundreds of miles with no border patrol. Met one German couple floating down the river in Big Bend National Park. They were kind of annoyed to see other people. They hadn't seen anyone in 3 weeks. In parts, if you want to get across the river you just pay the guy a buck to row you across. No border patrol anywhere in site.

Of course, at Big Bend, that is a remote part of Mexico AND Texas, so nobody really tries to cross in order to stay in the country.

Dude literally see the river everyday. It isn't now what it once was.

Open a history book and you will read that the river could only be crossed in certain places because cattle would drown otherwise. It was once a might river.

(01-30-2017 02:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:45 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  It USED to be Grande, now in most places above the DAMS it's the only places that have water because the water hasn't REACHED Elephant Butte Dam and Caballo Lake (?). But above those dams it's all the U.S.

Sometimes, repeat, sometimes when water is let out for irrigation there is a lot of water but that's a very short time. But, it's still not very deep except in places where there's low lying areas, those areas that stand out when there's minimal water like I said in a previous post, puddles.

Look I know they aren't ever going to make the river the way it once was. It's wishful thinking.

I was simply suggesting that if Trump really wanted to have a physical barrier between Mexico and the United States, and money was a problem, he could solve it by simply releasing the water from the river.

Shoot, the origin of the river is in the United States. We shouldn't be obligated to give Mexico any water from that river.

How about while they are building the wall, they dredge a canal in the middle of the Rio Grande and use that dredged soil as earthen ramparts that the wall is built on top of - that way the illegals have to swim before they start climbing the wall!! It could be called the Rio Grande Moat!! Sound like a good idea??

(01-30-2017 02:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:45 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  It USED to be Grande, now in most places above the DAMS it's the only places that have water because the water hasn't REACHED Elephant Butte Dam and Caballo Lake (?). But above those dams it's all the U.S.

Sometimes, repeat, sometimes when water is let out for irrigation there is a lot of water but that's a very short time. But, it's still not very deep except in places where there's low lying areas, those areas that stand out when there's minimal water like I said in a previous post, puddles.

Look I know they aren't ever going to make the river the way it once was. It's wishful thinking.

I was simply suggesting that if Trump really wanted to have a physical barrier between Mexico and the United States, and money was a problem he could solve it by simply releasing the water from the river.

Shoot, the origin of the river is in the United States. We shouldn't be obligated to give Mexico any water from that river.

money is not a problem...Mexico will pay.

To dredge a canal would be incredibly expensive and it would take forever to get from one side to the other. Although it would help solve the problem if California seceded?

Why can't we privatize border security?

Let ADT handle it. We can place little posts every half mile along the border saying we're ADT Secure. That should do the trick.

(01-30-2017 04:54 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Why can't we privatize border security?

Let ADT handle it. We can place little posts every half mile along the border saying we're ADT Secure. That should do the trick.

It would be more than obama did.

Shoot, the origin of the river is in the United States. We shouldn't be obligated to give Mexico any water from that river.
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Horrors! Then we would really get the Libt***s out protesting. You are right, for once, but that wouldn't work, unfortunately.

(01-30-2017 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 02:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course boats could cross the river. However, do you honestly think that the Border Patrol isn't going to notice a boat crossing the river?

Sheeesshh.

Oh, they notice. Up until now they have just allowed it.

Yet another falsehood. Anyone that is seen crossing the river on a boat is stopped and processed.

That you would say such a thing is a n insult to the men and women that work for the border patrol.

Again, you've obviously never been there. If its 20% of its flow, it simply means you couldn't wade across. Sometimes it actually dries up before it reaches the Gulf. The idea that it was ever a mile wide is ludicrous if you've seen the banks and bluffs around the river. There are places upriver where you can hop from rock to rock and get across without getting wet. I've seen people crossing within site of the Brownsville bridge. Nobody was really paying attention. There are hundreds of miles with no border patrol. Met one German couple floating down the river in Big Bend National Park. They were kind of annoyed to see other people. They hadn't seen anyone in 3 weeks. In parts, if you want to get across the river you just pay the guy a buck to row you across. No border patrol anywhere in site.

Of course, at Big Bend, that is a remote part of Mexico AND Texas, so nobody really tries to cross in order to stay in the country.

Dude literally see the river everyday. It isn't now what it once was.

Open a history book and you will read that the river could only be crossed in certain places because cattle would drown otherwise. It was once a might river.

Doesn't take a Mississippi to drown cattle.

(01-30-2017 05:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 02:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 12:35 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Oh, they notice. Up until now they have just allowed it.

Yet another falsehood. Anyone that is seen crossing the river on a boat is stopped and processed.

That you would say such a thing is a n insult to the men and women that work for the border patrol.

Again, you've obviously never been there. If its 20% of its flow, it simply means you couldn't wade across. Sometimes it actually dries up before it reaches the Gulf. The idea that it was ever a mile wide is ludicrous if you've seen the banks and bluffs around the river. There are places upriver where you can hop from rock to rock and get across without getting wet. I've seen people crossing within site of the Brownsville bridge. Nobody was really paying attention. There are hundreds of miles with no border patrol. Met one German couple floating down the river in Big Bend National Park. They were kind of annoyed to see other people. They hadn't seen anyone in 3 weeks. In parts, if you want to get across the river you just pay the guy a buck to row you across. No border patrol anywhere in site.

Of course, at Big Bend, that is a remote part of Mexico AND Texas, so nobody really tries to cross in order to stay in the country.

Dude literally see the river everyday. It isn't now what it once was.

Open a history book and you will read that the river could only be crossed in certain places because cattle would drown otherwise. It was once a might river.

Doesn't take a Mississippi to drown cattle.

Are cattle fence jumping now too? Damn things have really gone down hill in ol mejico.