(01-29-2017 05:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I just want to know why Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was targeted.

He wasn't:

Quote:Two U.S. officials speaking on condition of anonymity stated that the target of the October 14, 2011 airstrike was Ibrahim al-Banna, an Egyptian believed to be a senior operative in Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.[8] Another U.S. administration official speaking on condition of anonymity described Abdulrahman al-Awlaki as a bystander who was "in the wrong place at the wrong time," stating that "the U.S. government did not know that Mr. Awlaki’s son was there" before the airstrike was ordered.[8] Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs commented on the airstrike: "Maybe he (Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki) should've had a more responsible father."[9][10]

So this reckless policy killed innocent bystanders, including an American citizen, but not the target?

And the target is still alive?

https://www.rewardsforjustice.net/englis...banna.html

Figures.

this happens all the time. cons never cared because outside of a handful of cases the victims weren't american. hell the cons on here even encourage it thanks to their position on:

1) complimenting the Russians who are far more reckless on this issue were their aggressive bombing campaigns against terrorists.

2) complaining the the US military gives to much emphasis on minimizing collateral damage arguing that we should return to our pre vietnam war standards.

Well of course we are going to care more about Americans than other nationalities. America First isn't just a catchy slogan like "Hope and Change".

1. So you are OK with us adopting the same policies as Russia?

2. There is a substantial difference between actions taken in a war zone and actions taken in a country where we are not at war. People living in a war zone know who the players are and where the danger zones are and will avoid both when at all possible. I highly doubt the innocent civilians killed in the Yemani strikes were aware that the possibility of them being the target of a drone strike existed.

(01-29-2017 05:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 05:04 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:53 PM)Dasville Wrote:  From foxtwitter:

Was this statement released when he made the Executive Order the other day? Or was it released today in response to all the bad publicity?

If it's the latter, maybe he and his team needs to think things over a bit before they issue one rash order after another? Giving the airports and various security organizations a bit of time to be able to put new measures in place wouldn't have hurt things either.

Announcing it in advance would allow the terrorists to get in before the order went into place. It would defeat the purpose.

So they have control over when they get to enter our country. Are they at the airport waiting on standby for the order to enter the US?

(01-29-2017 04:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This thread has gone off the rails.

The original topic has been so overblown it isn't even funny. I guess we can expect these kinds of disingenuous reactions for the next 8 years.

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(01-29-2017 05:32 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 05:04 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:53 PM)Dasville Wrote:  From foxtwitter:

Was this statement released when he made the Executive Order the other day? Or was it released today in response to all the bad publicity?

If it's the latter, maybe he and his team needs to think things over a bit before they issue one rash order after another? Giving the airports and various security organizations a bit of time to be able to put new measures in place wouldn't have hurt things either.

I agree with you, as long as terrorists agree to announce their attacks before they happen.

^smarter than the average lib

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Alternative facts vs alternative facts. Spy vs spy. Let the games begin.

(01-29-2017 06:34 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Alternative facts vs alternative facts. Spy vs spy. Let the games begin.

(01-29-2017 06:41 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 06:34 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Alternative facts vs alternative facts. Spy vs spy. Let the games begin.

How did you get butthurt out of my post.

(01-29-2017 06:32 PM)2-Hood-Rich Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This thread has gone off the rails.

The original topic has been so overblown it isn't even funny. I guess we can expect these kinds of disingenuous reactions for the next 8 years.

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Fixed.

(01-29-2017 06:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 05:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 04:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I just want to know why Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was targeted.

He wasn't:

Quote:Two U.S. officials speaking on condition of anonymity stated that the target of the October 14, 2011 airstrike was Ibrahim al-Banna, an Egyptian believed to be a senior operative in Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.[8] Another U.S. administration official speaking on condition of anonymity described Abdulrahman al-Awlaki as a bystander who was "in the wrong place at the wrong time," stating that "the U.S. government did not know that Mr. Awlaki’s son was there" before the airstrike was ordered.[8] Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs commented on the airstrike: "Maybe he (Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki) should've had a more responsible father."[9][10]

So this reckless policy killed innocent bystanders, including an American citizen, but not the target?

And the target is still alive?

https://www.rewardsforjustice.net/englis...banna.html

Figures.

this happens all the time. cons never cared because outside of a handful of cases the victims weren't american. hell the cons on here even encourage it thanks to their position on:

1) complimenting the Russians who are far more reckless on this issue were their aggressive bombing campaigns against terrorists.

2) complaining the the US military gives to much emphasis on minimizing collateral damage arguing that we should return to our pre vietnam war standards.

Well of course we are going to care more about Americans than other nationalities. America First isn't just a catchy slogan like "Hope and Change".

1. So you are OK with us adopting the same policies as Russia?

2. There is a substantial difference between actions taken in a war zone and actions taken in a country where we are not at war. People living in a war zone know who the players are and where the danger zones are and will avoid both when at all possible. I highly doubt the innocent civilians killed in the Yemani strikes were aware that the possibility of them being the target of a drone strike existed.

first part: and some would consider that attitude racist.

1. that is nothing close to what I said and you know it. you are just trying to be a prick by so blatantly accusing me of saying something I didn't say at all.

2. Yemen has been in turmoil for a decade and has been a hotbed for terrorist activity. The country is currently in a civil war and has been dealing with an insurgency since 2004. this region is clearly a war zone and our govt has been intervening there for some time now. it is impossible to not know said area is a war zone for someone living there. There have been 16K deaths and 3 million people displaced.

and yet a certain poster claims it was a politican who said this guy was a badie.

You will find Awlaki explaining why you should never trust a non-Muslim; how the United States is at war with Islam; why Nidal Hasan, who fatally shot 13 people at Fort Hood, and Umar Farouk Abulmutallab, who tried to blow up an airliner over Detroit, were heroes.

Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, a troubled 24-year-old electrical engineer, opened fire at two military installations in Chattanooga, Tenn., killing four Marines and a sailor. F.B.I. investigators who examined his computer discovered that he had been watching Awlaki videos in the weeks before the shootings.

They could not have been surprised. In May, two men shot up a Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest in Garland, Tex. One used Awlaki’s familiar portrait, with wire-rimmed glasses and bushy beard, as his profile picture on Twitter; the other gave Awlaki CDs to his mother,

Shannon Conley, a 19-year-old Colorado convert to Islam, left behind a pile of Awlaki DVDs before trying to fly off to Syria to join the Islamic State last year. In June, when the F.B.I. arrested several New Jersey men whom they charged with talking about staging an attack, agents said they found that Awlaki came up regularly in their social-media chatter. Officials said one bragged that he had watched ‘‘almost all of his lectures’’

The Tsarnaevs, Chechen-born brothers who set off two pressure-cooker bombs at the Boston Marathon in 2013, owed part of their ideological training and their bomb-making skills to Awlaki’s online work. ‘‘Listen to Anwar al-Awlaki’s ... here after series,’’ Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the younger brother, tweeted a few weeks before the attack, ‘‘you will gain an unbelievable amount of knowledge.’’ Chérif Kouachi, one of the Algerian-­French brothers who massacred the staff of the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris in January, told a TV station in his last public words before being shot by the police that ‘‘Sheikh Anwar al-Awlaki’’ had sponsored the attack. The list of plots and attacks influenced by Awlaki goes on and on.

In the meantime Trump has Jordan President coming to the United States and talks to SA and AE leaders on the phone today. Clearly this EO is anti-Muslim. SMH!

I think what we are seeing is President Donald Trump allowing people to make a fool of themselves and allow the Press to expose themselves.

BTW, I'm sure this is the first time a Billionaire has talked to other Billionaires! SMH!

(01-29-2017 09:25 PM)Dasville Wrote:  In the meantime Trump has Jordan President coming to the United States and talks to SA and AE leaders on the phone today. Clearly this EO is anti-Muslim. SMH!

I think what we are seeing is President Donald Trump allowing people to make a fool of themselves and allow the Press to expose themselves.

BTW, I'm sure this is the first time a Billionaire has talked to other Billionaires! SMH!

Jordan has a King and a Prime Minister, but no President.

Looks like the safe zones are on their way to being established.

(01-29-2017 09:31 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 09:25 PM)Dasville Wrote:  In the meantime Trump has Jordan President coming to the United States and talks to SA and AE leaders on the phone today. Clearly this EO is anti-Muslim. SMH!

I think what we are seeing is President Donald Trump allowing people to make a fool of themselves and allow the Press to expose themselves.

BTW, I'm sure this is the first time a Billionaire has talked to other Billionaires! SMH!

Jordan has a King and a Prime Minister, but no President.

My bad and you are correct and my apologies to the King. He has been in power for a long time and been a good partner to the United States.

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+1000000

(01-29-2017 10:31 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

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+1000000

The money the government steals from me (taxes) should be used to take care of them, but it isn't.

(01-29-2017 11:14 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 10:31 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 10:23 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  


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+1000000

The money the government steals from me (taxes) should be used to take care of them, but it isn't.

Well, it certainly wasnt under Obama.

And isnt it rich to hear a liberal talk about paying taxes = stealing money from them. I thought you guys were all about paying your fair share.

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It's actually one of my biggest causes and concerns. Hopefully Trump can do something to straighten out the VA system at all its levels.

But that doesn't make the implementation of this EO any better.

(01-29-2017 01:49 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What about counties where the actual terrorist come from like Saudi Arabia? Oh yeah, it's because Trump does business there.

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Try reading the whole thread next time before you bless us with your ignorance and lack of intelligence.

Trump admitted it out of his own mouth that he considers Turkey, UAE, Saudi, and Egypt as friends and he does have buildings with his name on them in most of these countries.