(01-28-2017 11:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Why do people want a bunch of muslim refugees in the USA?

Personally? Because America is a nation of immigrants, those people are likely facing death if they stay, and frankly, its the right thing to do.

Is American the closes country? If not why fly half way around the globe?
Is American the only country?
Is American suppose to protect everyone in the world?

Should American tax dollars be spent to support these people just because they might face death? Which you really don't have a clue if they would or wouldn't. Just what the media shows you?

Just as many refugee's move to other countries, but surely you can understand why any immigrant would want to move to the United States.

America should support anyone who doesn't receive the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, whether or not they are on our soil or not I do not want our country to be an isolationist state.

Of course I can see why they want to come to a country that will give them...

food
housing
medical care
money

Hell I want to live in a huge house on the beach in S. Fla. but no one is giving me that just because I want it.

America has rules in place for those that want " right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

Right now our President just wants it slowed downed for 90 days

I personally think if they already have the paper work in order and approved then this "ban" should start after those have entered the USA. And I do feel for everyone of those people. No one should have to live with the fears they have. But it's also up to them to change their way of life. Just as Americans did when we felt like we were being oppressed

The real story here seems to be getting overlooked. We do need to be more careful about who we let in.

What's really troubling here is Trump's impulsive, ready-fire-aim style of leadership. This guy is dangerous.

Thank you, identity politics and SJW dip****s and morons voting in both major party's primaries for picking the worst two candidates possible.

(01-28-2017 11:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:05 PM)58-56 Wrote:  U.S. District Judge Ann Donnelly upholds the U.S. Constitution, ban is stayed. For the moment, we still live in a nation of laws. Bigly.

What part of the constitution? What part explicitly states we cannot temporarily ban people from countries that support terrorism.

That wasn't the part that was stayed, it was the part about not letting even legal residents of the United States into the country simply because they happened to be from Iran.

Well done. No part of the constitution

(01-28-2017 11:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:07 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:58 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin, replacing the old prejudicial system and giving each country an equal shot at the quotas.

freaking idiots.

Oh come on Johnny boy...

The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, also known as the Hart-Celler Act, abolished an earlier quota system based on national origin and established a new immigration policy based on reuniting immigrant families and attracting skilled labor to the United States.

http://www.history.com/topics/us-immigration-since-1965

Yes, you are a freaking idiot for changing the wording.


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I copied that wording straight from a NYT article.

that act ended a racist immigration quote system as you so claim. it is the end to eight decades of massive racism in our immigration system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1917

Yeah... I'll take the quote that comes from the History channel rather than the one from the NYT... good try though!


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let's face it. you are being as selective as possible with your sources and intentionally stupid in your attempt to find the one line out of 1000 lines that you can spin.

it is a historical fact beyond all dispute that that specific act ended the racist immigration policies of the previous 80 years and that the controversy regarding said racist policies was the key reason for it's passage/creation. this was 1965 for christ sake. forget the whole civil rights movement going on at the time?

(01-28-2017 11:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The real story here seems to be getting overlooked. We do need to be more careful about who we let in.

What's really troubling here is Trump's impulsive, ready-fire-aim style of leadership. This guy is dangerous.

Thank you, identity politics and SJW dip****s and morons voting in both major party's primaries for picking the worst two candidates possible.

The election happened over 2 months ago. perhaps find your way back to the present and stop with the same tired BS you've been trotting out since last year.

Live in the now.

(01-28-2017 11:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Why do people want a bunch of muslim refugees in the USA?

Personally? Because America is a nation of immigrants, those people are likely facing death if they stay, and frankly, its the right thing to do.

Is American the closes country? If not why fly half way around the globe?
Is American the only country?
Is American suppose to protect everyone in the world?

Should American tax dollars be spent to support these people just because they might face death? Which you really don't have a clue if they would or wouldn't. Just what the media shows you?

Just as many refugee's move to other countries, but surely you can understand why any immigrant would want to move to the United States.

America should support anyone who doesn't receive the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, whether or not they are on our soil or not I do not want our country to be an isolationist state.

Of course I can see why they want to come to a country that will give them...

food
housing
medical care
money

Hell I want to live in a huge house on the beach in S. Fla. but no one is giving me that just because I want it.

America has rules in place for those that want " right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

Right now our President just wants it slowed downed for 90 days

I personally think if they already have the paper work in order and approved then this "ban" should start after those have entered the USA. And I do feel for everyone of those people. No one should have to live with the fears they have. But it's also up to them to change their way of life. Just as Americans did when we felt like we were being oppressed

If he had "slowed it down" for 90 days, we wouldn't have a 20 page thread. Even I'm fine with working to make sure our vetting for refugees and immigrants is up to par.

What Trump did was his usual though. He flew off the cuff, issued an executive order blocking all immigration specifically frm certain countries, without blocking them from other countries. He then failed to address the issue of legal residents who have already been here and are trying to get back, leaving a bunch of people in a lurch at airports nation wide.

The issue I have with Trump is entirely due to how he flies off the cuff without taking the time to actually consider what the best recourse is to enacting the procedures he wants.

(01-28-2017 11:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The real story here seems to be getting overlooked. We do need to be more careful about who we let in.

What's really troubling here is Trump's impulsive, ready-fire-aim style of leadership. This guy is dangerous.

Thank you, identity politics and SJW dip****s and morons voting in both major party's primaries for picking the worst two candidates possible.

I agree.

I also put it on the media for: 1. Letting Trump take over the Republican party by entertaining his antics because they thought he was ripping the party apart. 2. Making Trump supporters one large group when they needed to divide them up and convert them as things came up about Trump.

(01-28-2017 11:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:05 PM)58-56 Wrote:  U.S. District Judge Ann Donnelly upholds the U.S. Constitution, ban is stayed. For the moment, we still live in a nation of laws. Bigly.

What part of the constitution? What part explicitly states we cannot temporarily ban people from countries that support terrorism.

That wasn't the part that was stayed, it was the part about not letting even legal residents of the United States into the country simply because they happened to be from Iran.

Well done. No part of the constitution

I love how you cheer this on forgetting that your argument was the exact same argument used to reject boatloads of jews from US ports in 1939.

(01-28-2017 11:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The real story here seems to be getting overlooked. We do need to be more careful about who we let in.

What's really troubling here is Trump's impulsive, ready-fire-aim style of leadership. This guy is dangerous.

Thank you, identity politics and SJW dip****s and morons voting in both major party's primaries for picking the worst two candidates possible.

He balances it with raging incompetence. His (well, Bannon's) exec order couldn't hold up 24 hours.

At least Mussolini wrote his own books.

(01-28-2017 11:33 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:26 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The real story here seems to be getting overlooked. We do need to be more careful about who we let in.

What's really troubling here is Trump's impulsive, ready-fire-aim style of leadership. This guy is dangerous.

Thank you, identity politics and SJW dip****s and morons voting in both major party's primaries for picking the worst two candidates possible.

He balances it with raging incompetence. His (well, Bannon's) exec order couldn't hold up 24 hours.

At least Mussolini wrote his own books.

It's held up just fine.

(01-28-2017 11:31 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  The election happened over 2 months ago. perhaps find your way back to the present and stop with the same tired BS you've been trotting out since last year.

Live in the now.

It's not BS, it's 100% true, and nothing can be done about it now but maybe we can learn our lesson for the future.

(01-28-2017 11:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:20 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:07 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:58 PM)john01992 Wrote:  The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin, replacing the old prejudicial system and giving each country an equal shot at the quotas.

freaking idiots.

Oh come on Johnny boy...

The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, also known as the Hart-Celler Act, abolished an earlier quota system based on national origin and established a new immigration policy based on reuniting immigrant families and attracting skilled labor to the United States.

http://www.history.com/topics/us-immigration-since-1965

Yes, you are a freaking idiot for changing the wording.


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I copied that wording straight from a NYT article.

that act ended a racist immigration quote system as you so claim. it is the end to eight decades of massive racism in our immigration system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1917

Yeah... I'll take the quote that comes from the History channel rather than the one from the NYT... good try though!


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let's face it. you are being as selective as possible with your sources and intentionally stupid in your attempt to find the one line out of 1000 lines that you can spin.

it is a historical fact beyond all dispute that that specific act ended the racist immigration policies of the previous 80 years and that the controversy regarding said racist policies was the key reason for it's passage/creation. this was 1965 for christ sake. forget the whole civil rights movement going on at the time?

So now countries are races? Nice spin! But I am not the one that changed the wording of the quote. Funny that you didn't even link the NYT article.


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To summarize what has happened so far since a lot has happened

Trump issued an EO ugrading the extreme vetting of arrivals from the 7 countries implemented by the previous administration to an outright halt without any advance notice

A federal judge ordered an emergency temporary halt on the detention and deportation of those on US soil with the proper documentation, between 100 to 200 people, while leaving the order as a whole untouched and unaltered

(01-28-2017 11:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Personally? Because America is a nation of immigrants, those people are likely facing death if they stay, and frankly, its the right thing to do.

Is American the closes country? If not why fly half way around the globe?
Is American the only country?
Is American suppose to protect everyone in the world?

Should American tax dollars be spent to support these people just because they might face death? Which you really don't have a clue if they would or wouldn't. Just what the media shows you?

Just as many refugee's move to other countries, but surely you can understand why any immigrant would want to move to the United States.

America should support anyone who doesn't receive the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, whether or not they are on our soil or not I do not want our country to be an isolationist state.

Of course I can see why they want to come to a country that will give them...

food
housing
medical care
money

Hell I want to live in a huge house on the beach in S. Fla. but no one is giving me that just because I want it.

America has rules in place for those that want " right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

Right now our President just wants it slowed downed for 90 days

I personally think if they already have the paper work in order and approved then this "ban" should start after those have entered the USA. And I do feel for everyone of those people. No one should have to live with the fears they have. But it's also up to them to change their way of life. Just as Americans did when we felt like we were being oppressed

If he had "slowed it down" for 90 days, we wouldn't have a 20 page thread. Even I'm fine with working to make sure our vetting for refugees and immigrants is up to par.

What Trump did was his usual though. He flew off the cuff, issued an executive order blocking all immigration specifically frm certain countries, without blocking them from other countries. He then failed to address the issue of legal residents who have already been here and are trying to get back, leaving a bunch of people in a lurch at airports nation wide.

The issue I have with Trump is entirely due to how he flies off the cuff without taking the time to actually consider what the best recourse is to enacting the procedures he wants.

I can see that.

I will tell you a quick story. Last year the week Trump said he was running we were in West Palm Beach. Had my wife and sister in law (2) with me. My wife and I were totally against him because of our views on helping the poor and thought he was totally against what we believe in.

I was like most people and said he would not make it through 3 primaries. Not a snowballs chance in hell of him becoming president. One of my sister in laws thought Trump was the best and hoped he won.

BTW we were standing in from of the gates to his home. Well they were, taking pictures when this came up.

Now we are here and things have shifted. My wife and I think out of the two, Trump was the best choice. One of my sister in laws the one that thought Trump was the greatest. Is now totally against him. She has a deadbeat son (36) and now afraid he will lose his free health care and the $197 worth of foodstamps.

I truly think in the end President Trump will do more for the poor and those that are just down on their luck because of the lost of decent paying jobs than Hillary Clinton. I also think in the end blacks will be better off than whey would with Hillary Clinton.

The poor and the working poor don't need a handout. They need a way out and a helping hand up.

I have some of the same fears as you with how quick President Trump is to response to things that does not matter. I do think he will grow with the job as time passes. And I don't think he's dangerous in the way you do. Sometimes talking a good game helps.

I think he is exactly what this country needed at this time. A don't give a sh#t what the Left or far right thinks. I think in the end if he gets JOBS...good paying jobs. The right will have to come closer to the middle and the left will also.

In that time he will say some off the wall crap and post on twitter when he shouldn't and make a few mistakes. But as far as starting a war or something stupid like that,,,

Being bold in your talk and making others actually think can be a good thing. I also think he is closer to the middle when it comes to those looking for special treatment than Hillary Clinton or any other person running on the right.

Only time will tell. Yes we do have time without fear of a nuke war like some stupid people think will happen.

(01-28-2017 11:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  To summarize what has happened so far since a lot has happened

Trump issued an EO ugrading the extreme vetting of arrivals from the 7 countries implemented by the previous administration to an outright halt without any advance notice

A federal judge ordered an emergency temporary halt on the detention and deportation of those on US soil with the proper documentation, between 100 to 200 people, while leaving the order as a whole untouched and unaltered

Just like what happened in 1939

(01-29-2017 12:00 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 11:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 10:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Is American the closes country? If not why fly half way around the globe?
Is American the only country?
Is American suppose to protect everyone in the world?

Should American tax dollars be spent to support these people just because they might face death? Which you really don't have a clue if they would or wouldn't. Just what the media shows you?

Just as many refugee's move to other countries, but surely you can understand why any immigrant would want to move to the United States.

America should support anyone who doesn't receive the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, whether or not they are on our soil or not I do not want our country to be an isolationist state.

Of course I can see why they want to come to a country that will give them...

food
housing
medical care
money

Hell I want to live in a huge house on the beach in S. Fla. but no one is giving me that just because I want it.

America has rules in place for those that want " right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"

Right now our President just wants it slowed downed for 90 days

I personally think if they already have the paper work in order and approved then this "ban" should start after those have entered the USA. And I do feel for everyone of those people. No one should have to live with the fears they have. But it's also up to them to change their way of life. Just as Americans did when we felt like we were being oppressed

If he had "slowed it down" for 90 days, we wouldn't have a 20 page thread. Even I'm fine with working to make sure our vetting for refugees and immigrants is up to par.

What Trump did was his usual though. He flew off the cuff, issued an executive order blocking all immigration specifically frm certain countries, without blocking them from other countries. He then failed to address the issue of legal residents who have already been here and are trying to get back, leaving a bunch of people in a lurch at airports nation wide.

The issue I have with Trump is entirely due to how he flies off the cuff without taking the time to actually consider what the best recourse is to enacting the procedures he wants.

I can see that.

I will tell you a quick story. Last year the week Trump said he was running we were in West Palm Beach. Had my wife and sister in law (2) with me. My wife and I were totally against him because of our views on helping the poor and thought he was totally against what we believe in.

I was like most people and said he would not make it through 3 primaries. Not a snowballs chance in hell of him becoming president. One of my sister in laws thought Trump was the best and hoped he won.

BTW we were standing in from of the gates to his home. Well they were, taking pictures when this came up.

Now we are here and things have shifted. My wife and I think out of the two, Trump was the best choice. One of my sister in laws the one that thought Trump was the greatest. Is now totally against him. She has a deadbeat son (36) and now afraid he will lose his free health care and the $197 worth of foodstamps.

I truly think in the end President Trump will do more for the poor and those that are just down on their luck because of the lost of decent paying jobs than Hillary Clinton. I also think in the end blacks will be better off than whey would with Hillary Clinton.

The poor and the working poor don't need a handout. They need a way out and a helping hand up.

I have some of the same fears as you with how quick President Trump is to response to things that does not matter. I do think he will grow with the job as time passes. And I don't think he's dangerous in the way you do. Sometimes talking a good game helps.

I think he is exactly what this country needed at this time. A don't give a sh#t what the Left or far right thinks. I think in the end if he gets JOBS...good paying jobs. The right will have to come closer to the middle and the left will also.

In that time he will say some off the wall crap and post on twitter when he shouldn't and make a few mistakes. But as far as starting a war or something stupid like that,,,

Being bold in your talk and making others actually think can be a good thing. I also think he is closer to the middle when it comes to those looking for special treatment than Hillary Clinton or any other person running on the right.

Only time will tell. Yes we do have time without fear of a nuke war like some stupid people think will happen.

I could never vote for either candidate. Was convinced I would probably be voting Republican this year because I could never vote for Hillary, but them Trump won the primary.

I have very little hope left for America. I think we're screwed regardless. I don't think the Isolationism that Trump seems to be going for is a good idea, but neither was the idea the Democratic Party was throwing out there either.

Why can't a moderate win anymore in American Politics? These stupid GOP/Dem lines have ruined this for me.

Looking at statements from the rest of the World

In favor of ban:

Czech Republic
Russia

Neutral:

UK

Against:

Canada
Mexico
Turkey
France
Germany
Luxembourg

Canada and Luxembourg have been most vocal against, for different reasons.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-k...d=20931131

Wake up

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-...s-in-2011/

No surprise in the countries coming out against. Germany and France have been conquered, and are just doubling down on stupid. Canada is ran by a cuck. Mexico is being petty. Turkey is a train wreck.

(01-29-2017 02:19 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Looking at statements from the rest of the World

In favor of ban:

Czech Republic
Russia

Neutral:

UK

Against:

Canada
Mexico
Turkey
France
Germany
Luxembourg

Canada and Luxembourg have been most vocal against, for different reasons.

Most politicians no matter which country talk out of both sides of their mouth. So are the one's against it because they might have to step up and do more? As far as Mexico, they have their own wall and a lot worse immigration laws than America. And to be honest if President Trump had said...

"we want to be strong trade partners with Mexico and will continue to let 11 million of their citizens stay in the USA and send back 25 billion a year to help Mexico's economy"

They would not have opened their mouths

Germany has so much guilt they would probably take 2, or 3, 911 from immigrants they have let into their country before not saying it was their own fault.

But really it does not matter because this President has clearly said , right now, it's "America First". The United State's is not in the EU so they really have zero say in who or how many we let into OUR country.

I don't see Mexico saying...come on over, we welcome you all.

I'm sure there are some on both side (right and left) that hates everything President Trump has done in 1 week and will do. But if I had to guess just based off this week. A lot more are probably glad (privately) he has the stones to do what he has done.

I don't know if coming out strong on building the wall or this ban is the right thing. At this point I'm willing to give the man a chance because like him or hate him....

he's at the very least going at the job a lot different than we have seen

I personally think in this case change is good. Next month that opinion might be different. I don't know anyone other than immigrants. Illegal and legal that were happy with the way this country was moving.