When is anyone in Washington going to get some backbone to impeach this Dictator who continues to assault our Constitution and take away our freedom.
http://www.infowars.com/we-cant-wait-oba...-congress/

That artist's website is hilarious! Thanks for sharing!

I get amused when people suddenly are outraged by this POTUS spitting on the Constitution. Obama is just another in a LONG line of power hunger leaders to do so. He took the tools left behind by Shrub and is building himself a legacy of tyranny. The next one will use what he leaves behind. That is how the Constitution has been rendered an afterthought by politicians. I have little faith it can be stopped. All systems of government before ours have imploded upon themselves in much the same manner....concentration of power.

(04-23-2012 04:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:   I get amused when people suddenly are outraged by this POTUS spitting on the Constitution. Obama is just another in a LONG line of power hunger leaders to do so. He took the tools left behind by Shrub and is building himself a legacy of tyranny. The next one will use what he leaves behind. That is how the Constitution has been rendered an afterthought by politicians. I have little faith it can be stopped. All systems of government before ours have imploded upon themselves in much the same manner....concentration of power.

Have you seen or done this?

http://www.hillsdale.edu/constitution/in...ution.aspx

(04-23-2012 04:37 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-23-2012 04:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:   I get amused when people suddenly are outraged by this POTUS spitting on the Constitution. Obama is just another in a LONG line of power hunger leaders to do so. He took the tools left behind by Shrub and is building himself a legacy of tyranny. The next one will use what he leaves behind. That is how the Constitution has been rendered an afterthought by politicians. I have little faith it can be stopped. All systems of government before ours have imploded upon themselves in much the same manner....concentration of power.

Have you seen or done this?

http://www.hillsdale.edu/constitution/in...ution.aspx

Thanks...Looks interesting. I'll see if I can get to them.

(04-23-2012 06:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-23-2012 04:37 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-23-2012 04:26 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:   I get amused when people suddenly are outraged by this POTUS spitting on the Constitution. Obama is just another in a LONG line of power hunger leaders to do so. He took the tools left behind by Shrub and is building himself a legacy of tyranny. The next one will use what he leaves behind. That is how the Constitution has been rendered an afterthought by politicians. I have little faith it can be stopped. All systems of government before ours have imploded upon themselves in much the same manner....concentration of power.

Have you seen or done this?

http://www.hillsdale.edu/constitution/in...ution.aspx

Thanks...Looks interesting. I'll see if I can get to them.

Yeah, Mark Latrine and the Drugster are pushing that "Constitution" class at Hillsdale.

Btw, one of NIU's bball players just transfered there.

The use of executive powers is nothing new. What is new is the content of the executive orders being issued now. Under Bush many were regarding terrorism and interrogation, items that would have taken a lengthy debate in congress when action was needed at that moment. Under the present administration many of the executive orders are speficically to circumvent congress to prevent the blockage of appointments or to enact legislation that is not as 'time-sensitive' per say as terrorism and interrogation were in that particular example. The administration is using executive orders to prevent the will of the people from being carried out in congress. Our duly appointed representatives are not given the opportunity to speak on our behalf if it is not favorable to the administration. Many of the administrations ideas, rejected by the people and congress, are being enacted through executive order at great cost to the public. It's a massive powergrab that is essentially undermining the separation of powers.

I told you right wingers when Shrub was extending the powers of the federales massively that it was only paving the way for this. There would have been no Obama--couldn't have been--without Shrub. Whatever else he did or didn't do, that was inexcusable.

Edited to correct the things iPhone "fixed" for me.

What's inexcusable is the libs mentality of "well, Bush used executive orders to protect the US and root out terrorism... Let's use executive orders to enact legislation that congress has voted down or chosen not to take a vote on."

I agree with Owl that these power grabs have been going on for quite a while. Bush did expand the powers of the POTUS and the O has just doubled down on the practice. Of course, the danger here is that these will continue and get worse and soon, the government collapses in chaos. Both parties can play that game and it is dangerous for the country.

Bypassing Congress has been elevated to an art form by this administration. Unelected bureaucrats writing the rules (laws) are at least as big of a problem. See Obamacare and all the references to language such as "...The Secretary of HHS shall write the guidelines......" and then extrapolate this over ALL the Federal agencies and you get the picture.

(04-24-2012 01:31 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  What's inexcusable is the libs mentality of "well, Bush used executive orders to protect the US and root out terrorism... Let's use executive orders to enact legislation that congress has voted down or chosen not to take a vote on."

I agree that it's inexcusable. But Shrub legitimized it. Or, more correctly, I think Cheney legitimized it, I think Shrub was just along for the ride.

(04-24-2012 02:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 01:31 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  What's inexcusable is the libs mentality of "well, Bush used executive orders to protect the US and root out terrorism... Let's use executive orders to enact legislation that congress has voted down or chosen not to take a vote on."

I agree that it's inexcusable. But Shrub legitimized it. Or, more correctly, I think Cheney legitimized it, I think Shrub was just along for the ride.

I could be wrong, but I don't remember a lot of Bush's executive orders pretaining to domestic policy and having such widespread impact on the nation's economy. In either case it's time the supreme court remind the other branches about the separation of powers. Everyone in washington needs a refresher in constitution law.

(04-24-2012 02:06 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 02:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 01:31 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  What's inexcusable is the libs mentality of "well, Bush used executive orders to protect the US and root out terrorism... Let's use executive orders to enact legislation that congress has voted down or chosen not to take a vote on."

I agree that it's inexcusable. But Shrub legitimized it. Or, more correctly, I think Cheney legitimized it, I think Shrub was just along for the ride.

I could be wrong, but I don't remember a lot of Bush's executive orders pretaining to domestic policy and having such widespread impact on the nation's economy. In either case it's time the supreme court remind the other branches about the separation of powers. Everyone in washington needs a refresher in constitution law.

I agree with the distinction that I think you are making there. But that's a distinction that's lost on power grabbers. If it's okay over here, it's okay over there, as long as I get more power in my grubby paws. The Supreme Court may be our last resort.

(04-24-2012 02:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The Supreme Court may be our last resort.

And I don't have a lot of faith that will be the case.

(04-24-2012 02:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 02:06 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 02:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 01:31 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  What's inexcusable is the libs mentality of "well, Bush used executive orders to protect the US and root out terrorism... Let's use executive orders to enact legislation that congress has voted down or chosen not to take a vote on."

I agree that it's inexcusable. But Shrub legitimized it. Or, more correctly, I think Cheney legitimized it, I think Shrub was just along for the ride.

I could be wrong, but I don't remember a lot of Bush's executive orders pretaining to domestic policy and having such widespread impact on the nation's economy. In either case it's time the supreme court remind the other branches about the separation of powers. Everyone in washington needs a refresher in constitution law.

I agree with the distinction that I think you are making there. But that's a distinction that's lost on power grabbers. If it's okay over here, it's okay over there, as long as I get more power in my grubby paws. The Supreme Court may be our last resort.

IMO...Not even the SCOTUS can stop this now. The ONLY way I see this mess being stopped is MASS civil disobedience and protest. I won't even rule out violent conflict as a last resort. It is going to take RADICAL change to stop this mess. Personally...I have zero faith in Americans to do a damn thing today but sit on their fat asses watching the country be destroyed around them on TV...comfortable on their plantation.

Bump - is it any surprise that Trump is using Executive Powers in much the same way as Obama (and Bush/Cheney before that)? And that very few conservative posters here no longer seem to care?

Maybe it's time a Congressional leader proposes an Amendment limiting the ability of a President to enact Executive Orders in general?

Holy 4 year thread bump!

(01-27-2017 07:39 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Bump - is it any surprise that Trump is using Executive Powers in much the same way as Obama (and Bush/Cheney before that)? And that very few conservative posters here no longer seem to care?

Maybe it's time a Congressional leader proposes an Amendment limiting the ability of a President to enact Executive Orders in general?

I don't have a problem for things relatively minor in nature, but their use has (no surprise) escalated to more and bigger impact things, what a surprise!

I'm thinking it's probably time to reign in what they can and can't be used for because unfortunately, too many people want to be king.

Right now, the liberals are getting their on gored, but as we know all too well, the tables can flip.

I'm thinking we should only give Trump 2 years to use it before we limit him - that sounds fair, right?

(01-27-2017 07:45 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Holy 4 year thread bump!

Wasn't that hard to find using the search command. I figured that there had been a thread about it four years ago. Too bad the search function doesn't go back eight years.

I give Trump 100% pass to overturn any previous EO. But ALL Presidents need to knock it off issuing new ones and KNOW THEIR ROLES.