(01-24-2017 08:51 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  This is really a simple question, to even be a real question It requires :

1- Nichols wanting to come here

2- A recognition on Nichols' part that whatever he is doing is not working and a desire to change it.

3- Our Coach, Tubby Smith agreeing to accept him on the team.

The third one is the answer for me, if Tubby accepts him - so do I.

a- Tubby has years of experience
b- Tubby's last chance at a NC and final four is at on the line.
c- Tubby is grown man/proven coach who does not need a circus.

Tubby came into a suspension and transfer plagued program that was in constant turmoil for years and has had a pretty smooth year.So I trust his judgement more than some chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake on a message board.

Yowza.

This will never ever be an issue, because he's done, but I'll play. You do not take him back. Yea we need players, yea he was awesome, but the things he allowed his dad/lawyer to say are unforgivable. If your girl calls you fat and ugly and dumps you for another guy you don't take her back. Even if you were fat and ugly at the time.

(01-24-2017 12:56 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  This will never ever be an issue, because he's done, but I'll play. You do not take him back. Yea we need players, yea he was awesome, but the things he allowed his dad/lawyer to say are unforgivable. If your girl calls you fat and ugly and dumps you for another guy you don't take her back. Even if you were fat and ugly at the time.

I know fans only want to see it one way, but Pastner was trying to play hardball and the kid and his family took a big swing right back.

Bowen understood the ramifications and immediately ordered Nichols' release.

Let's quit acting like Nichols, his father and their attorney simply lashed out at the University all from nowhere.

(01-24-2017 01:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 12:56 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  This will never ever be an issue, because he's done, but I'll play. You do not take him back. Yea we need players, yea he was awesome, but the things he allowed his dad/lawyer to say are unforgivable. If your girl calls you fat and ugly and dumps you for another guy you don't take her back. Even if you were fat and ugly at the time.

I know fans only want to see it one way, but Pastner was trying to play hardball and the kid and his family took a big swing right back.

Bowen understood the ramifications and immediately ordered Nichols' release.

Let's quit acting like Nichols, his father and their attorney simply lashed out at the University all from nowhere.

^ This. The Nichols never would have acquired a lawyer and none of the bad stuff would have ever come out if Josh would have just let Austin go to begin with.

(01-24-2017 08:51 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  This is really a simple question, to even be a real question It requires :

1- Nichols wanting to come here

2- A recognition on Nichols' part that whatever he is doing is not working and a desire to change it.

3- Our Coach, Tubby Smith agreeing to accept him on the team.

The third one is the answer for me, if Tubby accepts him - so do I.

a- Tubby has years of experience
b- Tubby's last chance at a NC and final four is at on the line.
c- Tubby is grown man/proven coach who does not need a circus.

Tubby came into a suspension and transfer plagued program that was in constant turmoil for years and has had a pretty smooth year.So I trust his judgement more than some chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake on a message board.

wow, that's a little harsh.

(01-24-2017 01:37 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 08:51 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  This is really a simple question, to even be a real question It requires :

1- Nichols wanting to come here

2- A recognition on Nichols' part that whatever he is doing is not working and a desire to change it.

3- Our Coach, Tubby Smith agreeing to accept him on the team.

The third one is the answer for me, if Tubby accepts him - so do I.

a- Tubby has years of experience
b- Tubby's last chance at a NC and final four is at on the line.
c- Tubby is grown man/proven coach who does not need a circus.

Tubby came into a suspension and transfer plagued program that was in constant turmoil for years and has had a pretty smooth year.So I trust his judgement more than some chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake on a message board.

wow, that's a little harsh.

saying I trust Tubby on this is harsh?

Or did chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake hit too close to home for you?

(01-24-2017 01:41 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:37 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 08:51 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  This is really a simple question, to even be a real question It requires :

1- Nichols wanting to come here

2- A recognition on Nichols' part that whatever he is doing is not working and a desire to change it.

3- Our Coach, Tubby Smith agreeing to accept him on the team.

The third one is the answer for me, if Tubby accepts him - so do I.

a- Tubby has years of experience
b- Tubby's last chance at a NC and final four is at on the line.
c- Tubby is grown man/proven coach who does not need a circus.

Tubby came into a suspension and transfer plagued program that was in constant turmoil for years and has had a pretty smooth year.So I trust his judgement more than some chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake on a message board.

wow, that's a little harsh.

saying I trust Tubby on this is harsh?

Or did chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake hit too close to home for you?

this is why I don't post here much anymore

(01-24-2017 01:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 12:56 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  This will never ever be an issue, because he's done, but I'll play. You do not take him back. Yea we need players, yea he was awesome, but the things he allowed his dad/lawyer to say are unforgivable. If your girl calls you fat and ugly and dumps you for another guy you don't take her back. Even if you were fat and ugly at the time.

I know fans only want to see it one way, but Pastner was trying to play hardball and the kid and his family took a big swing right back.

Bowen understood the ramifications and immediately ordered Nichols' release.

Let's quit acting like Nichols, his father and their attorney simply lashed out at the University all from nowhere.

^ This. The Nichols never would have acquired a lawyer and none of the bad stuff would have ever come out if Josh would have just let Austin go to begin with.

Would Calipari have let him just go? I think he restricted where kids could transfer that left his program ...

(01-24-2017 02:21 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 12:56 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  This will never ever be an issue, because he's done, but I'll play. You do not take him back. Yea we need players, yea he was awesome, but the things he allowed his dad/lawyer to say are unforgivable. If your girl calls you fat and ugly and dumps you for another guy you don't take her back. Even if you were fat and ugly at the time.

I know fans only want to see it one way, but Pastner was trying to play hardball and the kid and his family took a big swing right back.

Bowen understood the ramifications and immediately ordered Nichols' release.

Let's quit acting like Nichols, his father and their attorney simply lashed out at the University all from nowhere.

^ This. The Nichols never would have acquired a lawyer and none of the bad stuff would have ever come out if Josh would have just let Austin go to begin with.

Would Calipari have let him just go? I think he restricted where kids could transfer that left his program ...

What does this have to do with Calipari?

(01-24-2017 02:20 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:41 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:37 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 08:51 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  This is really a simple question, to even be a real question It requires :

1- Nichols wanting to come here

2- A recognition on Nichols' part that whatever he is doing is not working and a desire to change it.

3- Our Coach, Tubby Smith agreeing to accept him on the team.

The third one is the answer for me, if Tubby accepts him - so do I.

a- Tubby has years of experience
b- Tubby's last chance at a NC and final four is at on the line.
c- Tubby is grown man/proven coach who does not need a circus.

Tubby came into a suspension and transfer plagued program that was in constant turmoil for years and has had a pretty smooth year.So I trust his judgement more than some chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake on a message board.

wow, that's a little harsh.

saying I trust Tubby on this is harsh?

Or did chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake hit too close to home for you?

this is why I don't post here much anymore

no kidding. it's why i mostly post in the PR.

(01-23-2017 04:36 PM)Hoots Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 02:36 PM)Rodney Carney Wrote:  Yes, the final straw that caused me to boycott last season to get Pastner fired was when I heard that AN was transferring.

There were plenty of boycottable events to pin on Josh, but I didn't see this situation as being one of them.

Would I want to see him back in a Tigers uniform? I lean more no than yes at this point. Either way, I don't expect it to become a serious consideration.

My understanding is that the majority of Pastner's players spoke negatively about him and didn't like playing for him. I have no idea why Nichols left the team before last season started, because like I said, I boycotted the team after that until Pastner was gone. All I know is that he was another great player who left the team prematurely under Pastner's watch. I missed out on a year's worth of Tigers news because I did not watch a single game or read anything about them last season.

(01-24-2017 02:20 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:41 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:37 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 08:51 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  This is really a simple question, to even be a real question It requires :

1- Nichols wanting to come here

2- A recognition on Nichols' part that whatever he is doing is not working and a desire to change it.

3- Our Coach, Tubby Smith agreeing to accept him on the team.

The third one is the answer for me, if Tubby accepts him - so do I.

a- Tubby has years of experience
b- Tubby's last chance at a NC and final four is at on the line.
c- Tubby is grown man/proven coach who does not need a circus.

Tubby came into a suspension and transfer plagued program that was in constant turmoil for years and has had a pretty smooth year.So I trust his judgement more than some chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake on a message board.

wow, that's a little harsh.

saying I trust Tubby on this is harsh?

Or did chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake hit too close to home for you?

this is why I don't post here much anymore

weird, I never pegged you as a snowflake,

learn something new every day....

(01-24-2017 03:07 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 02:20 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:41 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:37 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 08:51 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  This is really a simple question, to even be a real question It requires :

1- Nichols wanting to come here

2- A recognition on Nichols' part that whatever he is doing is not working and a desire to change it.

3- Our Coach, Tubby Smith agreeing to accept him on the team.

The third one is the answer for me, if Tubby accepts him - so do I.

a- Tubby has years of experience
b- Tubby's last chance at a NC and final four is at on the line.
c- Tubby is grown man/proven coach who does not need a circus.

Tubby came into a suspension and transfer plagued program that was in constant turmoil for years and has had a pretty smooth year.So I trust his judgement more than some chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake on a message board.

wow, that's a little harsh.

saying I trust Tubby on this is harsh?

Or did chest beating blowhard or bleeding heart snowflake hit too close to home for you?

this is why I don't post here much anymore

weird, I never pegged you as a snowflake,

learn something new every day....

Snowflake, good one man!

(01-24-2017 02:25 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 02:21 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 12:56 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  This will never ever be an issue, because he's done, but I'll play. You do not take him back. Yea we need players, yea he was awesome, but the things he allowed his dad/lawyer to say are unforgivable. If your girl calls you fat and ugly and dumps you for another guy you don't take her back. Even if you were fat and ugly at the time.

I know fans only want to see it one way, but Pastner was trying to play hardball and the kid and his family took a big swing right back.

Bowen understood the ramifications and immediately ordered Nichols' release.

Let's quit acting like Nichols, his father and their attorney simply lashed out at the University all from nowhere.

^ This. The Nichols never would have acquired a lawyer and none of the bad stuff would have ever come out if Josh would have just let Austin go to begin with.

Would Calipari have let him just go? I think he restricted where kids could transfer that left his program ...

What does this have to do with Calipari?

Why blame Pastner for the Nichols family and the lawyer ... He just did the same thing that Cal or any other coach would have done ... No more, no less .... Don't let the Josh bias get in the way with Nichols here ... Nichols created his own mess ... and continued to wallow in it at UVA ...

(01-24-2017 03:44 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 02:25 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 02:21 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I know fans only want to see it one way, but Pastner was trying to play hardball and the kid and his family took a big swing right back.

Bowen understood the ramifications and immediately ordered Nichols' release.

Let's quit acting like Nichols, his father and their attorney simply lashed out at the University all from nowhere.

^ This. The Nichols never would have acquired a lawyer and none of the bad stuff would have ever come out if Josh would have just let Austin go to begin with.

Would Calipari have let him just go? I think he restricted where kids could transfer that left his program ...

What does this have to do with Calipari?

Why blame Pastner for the Nichols family and the lawyer ... He just did the same thing that Cal or any other coach would have done ... No more, no less .... Don't let the Josh bias get in the way with Nichols here ... Nichols created his own mess ... and continued to wallow in it at UVA ...

However you see it, amigo.

Josh tried to hold Austin hostage and the kid and his family did not play around. Some folks seem to have a problem with that.

Maybe other kids will get the message now and not let a coach hold them hostage...like Bo Ryan putting like 60 schools on the restricted transfer list for one kid - absurd

Whatever Calipari does is what he does. If Calipari tried to restrict my kid, I'd hire whoever the Nichols hired.

NEXT

(01-24-2017 01:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 12:56 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  This will never ever be an issue, because he's done, but I'll play. You do not take him back. Yea we need players, yea he was awesome, but the things he allowed his dad/lawyer to say are unforgivable. If your girl calls you fat and ugly and dumps you for another guy you don't take her back. Even if you were fat and ugly at the time.

I know fans only want to see it one way, but Pastner was trying to play hardball and the kid and his family took a big swing right back.

Bowen understood the ramifications and immediately ordered Nichols' release.

Let's quit acting like Nichols, his father and their attorney simply lashed out at the University all from nowhere.

This isn't a girlfriend calling us fat and ugly. It's an employee quitting and blowing up at his boss on the way out the door. If you figure they can make you some good money and you've both made peace with it, you don't let feelings get in the way of that. You just get extra assurances and make sure they understand they're on on a short leash.

Still never going to happen.

Nichols is yesterday's news. Heard Shaq got busy with his girl and he left. Threw the university under the bus on the way out.

I don't blame Pastner for making it difficult for him to leave. If he would have announced earlier, then I'd say Josh was being a d-bag, but he left Memphis in a bad spot. So Nichols decided to burn bridges here and go to UVA. That's all well and good if you don't get kicked off the team at UVA. Good riddance!

Guys a train wreck...

(01-24-2017 04:37 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Nichols is yesterday's news. Heard Shaq got busy with his girl and he left. Threw the university under the bus on the way out.

I don't blame Pastner for making it difficult for him to leave. If he would have announced earlier, then I'd say Josh was being a d-bag, but he left Memphis in a bad spot. So Nichols decided to burn bridges here and go to UVA. That's all well and good if you don't get kicked off the team at UVA. Good riddance!

Guys a train wreck...

However you want to see it.

He threw the university under the bus after Josh tried to play hardball.

Some folks have a problem seeing the other side, which is...if Josh does not play hardball, then the Nichols never hire an attorney and said attorney never makes the public statement.

Bowen knew enough to pull the plug quick like on Pastner's dipshtt act.

(01-24-2017 03:44 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 02:25 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 02:21 PM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:06 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I know fans only want to see it one way, but Pastner was trying to play hardball and the kid and his family took a big swing right back.

Bowen understood the ramifications and immediately ordered Nichols' release.

Let's quit acting like Nichols, his father and their attorney simply lashed out at the University all from nowhere.

^ This. The Nichols never would have acquired a lawyer and none of the bad stuff would have ever come out if Josh would have just let Austin go to begin with.

Would Calipari have let him just go? I think he restricted where kids could transfer that left his program ...

What does this have to do with Calipari?

Why blame Pastner for the Nichols family and the lawyer ... He just did the same thing that Cal or any other coach would have done ... No more, no less .... Don't let the Josh bias get in the way with Nichols here ... Nichols created his own mess ... and continued to wallow in it at UVA ...

The way I understand it (from Parrish and Calkins talking about this at the time) is that trying to restrict him from Virginia went farther than was usual. Typical restrictions are conference members, non-conference rivals, and teams on the schedule the following year. Pastner tried to say that since we might play Virginia in a preseason tournament that Nichols should be restricted (although his real reason was because he thought, probably rightly, that Virginia was tampering). But that was farther than coaches usually go.

At any rate, coaches/schools should always just let a player go. If the player balks the coach is typically the one that ends up with egg on their face.