(01-17-2017 01:16 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Just to stir the pot...

Cal Baptist's president is widely known to be ambitious and sports crazy. The only truly "like" school in the WAC is Seattle U (or GCU if they find a way to go non-profit). They don't want to be Cal State Bakersfield. They want to be Pepperdine or Loyola Marymount.

They want to be in the WCC.

And they want Gonzaga coming to their new arena.

I just don't see the WCC getting any larger, nor do I see them losing anyone, not even BYU. The Mountain West has grown to big to attempt the old Big East model, but CBU wouldn't have been able to join the WCC then anyway.

If they want to play Gonzaga in their barn, they can write a check.

Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

Saw the comment from the coach. Guess the WAC will get another school by the end of season?
Think this one will be an existing D1 school. Can't have 2 D2 schools transitioning at the same time cause of scheduling issues.

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

And the NMSU mens coach said there will be football schools added. CBU isn't a fb school.

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

Exciting.

(01-17-2017 11:37 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

Exciting.

Dollar:

"You heard it here first, [Cal Baptist] is not going to be the last one. Nope, they're not. I won't say too much on it."

(01-17-2017 11:36 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

And the NMSU mens coach said there will be football schools added. CBU isn't a fb school.

Nope.

(01-17-2017 11:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:37 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

Exciting.

Dollar:

"You heard it here first, [Cal Baptist] is not going to be the last one. Nope, they're not. I won't say too much on it."

Intriguing.

(01-17-2017 09:57 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 01:16 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Just to stir the pot...

Cal Baptist's president is widely known to be ambitious and sports crazy. The only truly "like" school in the WAC is Seattle U (or GCU if they find a way to go non-profit). They don't want to be Cal State Bakersfield. They want to be Pepperdine or Loyola Marymount.

They want to be in the WCC.

And they want Gonzaga coming to their new arena.

I just don't see the WCC getting any larger, nor do I see them losing anyone, not even BYU. The Mountain West has grown to big to attempt the old Big East model, but CBU wouldn't have been able to join the WCC then anyway.

If they want to play Gonzaga in their barn, they can write a check.

If BYU gets a P5 invite, Cal Baptist might have fewer Gonzaga roadblocks than Seattle.

(01-17-2017 11:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

Saw the comment from the coach. Guess the WAC will get another school by the end of season?
Think this one will be an existing D1 school. Can't have 2 D2 schools transitioning at the same time cause of scheduling issues.

UNO, Denver, Texas A&M Corpus Christii and Oral Roberts come to mind for D1 candidates. But none of them have football.

(01-18-2017 12:10 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:37 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

Exciting.

Dollar:

"You heard it here first, [Cal Baptist] is not going to be the last one. Nope, they're not. I won't say too much on it."

Intriguing.

The WAC is going after UCSD and I don't blame it at all.

(01-18-2017 01:13 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 12:10 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:37 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

Exciting.

Dollar:

"You heard it here first, [Cal Baptist] is not going to be the last one. Nope, they're not. I won't say too much on it."

Intriguing.

The WAC is going after UCSD and I don't blame it at all.

The WAC is like an ugly geek to a beautiful model, UCSD. Good luck with that!

(01-18-2017 01:17 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:13 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 12:10 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:37 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Exciting.

Dollar:

"You heard it here first, [Cal Baptist] is not going to be the last one. Nope, they're not. I won't say too much on it."

Intriguing.

The WAC is going after UCSD and I don't blame it at all.

The WAC is like an ugly geek to a beautiful model, UCSD. Good luck with that!

It worked for Andy Enfield, the USC basketball coach. You never know...

(01-18-2017 01:17 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:13 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 12:10 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:37 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Exciting.

Dollar:

"You heard it here first, [Cal Baptist] is not going to be the last one. Nope, they're not. I won't say too much on it."

Intriguing.

The WAC is going after UCSD and I don't blame it at all.

The WAC is like an ugly geek to a beautiful model, UCSD. Good luck with that!

Assuming Dollar really knows something, my guess is that the other WAC addition will be Azusa Pacific, which completed its NAIA to DII transition a couple of years ago. Its athletic budget is in the $9-$10 million range which is only a bit below what it would need to compete at the D-I level. The school is about the same size as Seattle and Cal Baptist, views itself as a Cal Baptist peer, and has decent (by WAC standards) athletic facilities including a modern 3,500-seat gym.





Although Azusa Pacific plays football, its situation in the GNAC is a bad one and as others have pointed out, it won't hurt the school financially to move football up to FCS and join the Pioneer League. Azusa Pacific's current football attendance of roughly 5,000 per game is already about double USD's, and would put it among the top three in the Pioneer League.

(01-18-2017 01:51 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:17 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:13 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 12:10 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Dollar:

"You heard it here first, [Cal Baptist] is not going to be the last one. Nope, they're not. I won't say too much on it."

Intriguing.

The WAC is going after UCSD and I don't blame it at all.

The WAC is like an ugly geek to a beautiful model, UCSD. Good luck with that!

Assuming Dollar really knows something, my guess is that the other WAC addition will be Azusa Pacific, which completed its NAIA to DII transition a couple of years ago. Its athletic budget is in the $9-$10 million range which is only a bit below what it would need to compete at the D-I level. The school is about the same size as Seattle and Cal Baptist, views itself as a Cal Baptist peer, and has decent (by WAC standards) athletic facilities including a modern 3,500-seat gym.





Although Azusa Pacific plays football, its situation in the GNAC is a bad one and as others have pointed out, it won't hurt the school financially to move football up to FCS and join the Pioneer League. Azusa Pacific's current football attendance of roughly 5,000 per game is already about double USD's, and would put it among the top three in the Pioneer League.

Azusa Pacific might be able to play as an affiliate in the Big Sky. That would leave the GNAC down to 4 teams in football.

(01-18-2017 01:04 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 11:24 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Supposedly, more WAC expansion news is coming. Source is the Seattle U head bball coach.

Saw the comment from the coach. Guess the WAC will get another school by the end of season?
Think this one will be an existing D1 school. Can't have 2 D2 schools transitioning at the same time cause of scheduling issues.

UNO, Denver, Texas A&M Corpus Christii and Oral Roberts come to mind for D1 candidates. But none of them have football.

Well it's definitely not Denver and I feel ORU wouldn't be one although they do fit the large metro fit of the WAC. A&M could be a possibility and would pair nicely with UTRGV. UNO would fit the model nicely. Also UN-Omaha but I doubt they would move. UTA is moving back to the WAC.
But, if the Big West is really dragging their feet with UCSD.....then they may go to the WAC just to get in the D1 level and work out other moves later. I suppose the WAC can adjust the scheduling.

If they do go to D2, and it isn't UCSD, what about Dallas Baptist?

(01-18-2017 09:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  If they do go to D2, and it isn't UCSD, what about Dallas Baptist?

Not likely. Their enrollment is only around 5,000, their athletic budget is only about $7 million and their gym seats only 1,600. The fact that they already play D-I baseball and are located in a major city are pluses though.

(01-18-2017 01:51 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Assuming Dollar really knows something, my guess is that the other WAC addition will be Azusa Pacific, which completed its NAIA to DII transition a couple of years ago. Its athletic budget is in the $9-$10 million range which is only a bit below what it would need to compete at the D-I level. The school is about the same size as Seattle and Cal Baptist, views itself as a Cal Baptist peer, and has decent (by WAC standards) athletic facilities including a modern 3,500-seat gym.

Akron wants it's Arena back

But seriously, the Arena will fit their needs if they move up, for now

(01-18-2017 01:51 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Assuming Dollar really knows something, my guess is that the other WAC addition will be Azusa Pacific, which completed its NAIA to DII transition a couple of years ago. Its athletic budget is in the $9-$10 million range which is only a bit below what it would need to compete at the D-I level. The school is about the same size as Seattle and Cal Baptist, views itself as a Cal Baptist peer, and has decent (by WAC standards) athletic facilities including a modern 3,500-seat gym.





Although Azusa Pacific plays football, its situation in the GNAC is a bad one and as others have pointed out, it won't hurt the school financially to move football up to FCS and join the Pioneer League. Azusa Pacific's current football attendance of roughly 5,000 per game is already about double USD's, and would put it among the top three in the Pioneer League.

I don't think Cal Baptist made much difference to the WAC FBS football pipe dream one way or the other, but if the WAC starts adding schools with low-level football programs like this it should really kill it dead for the foreseeable future.