Cal. Baptist/ Cal. State Bakersfield
Utah Valley/Dixie State
Seattle U./Western Washington, Western Oregon or Central Washington
Grand Canyon U./Colorado State-Pueblo or Colorado Mesa
New Mexico State/West Texas A&M
UTRGV/Midwestern State or Angelo State
UMKC/Washburn, Missouri Southern, UMSL, Oral Roberts or Lindenwood
Chicago State/Quincy, Illinois-Springfield or Southern Indiana

16 conference Olympic sports.

Future football:
Cal. State-Bakersfield
Utah Valley
Dixie State
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State
Central Washington or Western Washington

Colorado Mesa or Colorado State-Pueblo
Grand Canyon
UTRGV
West Texas A&M
Midwestern State or Angelo State
Washburn or Lindenwood
Quincy

WCC might take Azusa Pacific, California Baptist and Grand Canyon U. since they all are private. University of San Diego could join the WAC as a football only with this lineup as well.Cheaper for them to go this route than play in the Pioneer League.

(01-14-2017 05:24 PM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  Several people have mentioned GCU's for-profit status as an issuer for many schools, but I remembered Grand Canyon trying to become a non-profit university not that long ago. A quick google search says that plan would've cost them accreditation as a university. Does anyone know if there's any other plans to move toward non-profit status?

Nothing yet. They have to come with a different strategy to break from the shareholders.

(01-14-2017 05:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 02:45 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:56 AM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 11:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Cal Baptist must be optimistic that the WAC will survive until 2023, when CBU becomes eligible. That's a big commitment for a league for a league who's futjre looks bleak. That is another reason I think something is up with a WAC / Big Sky realignment.

Why would anyone in the Big Sky go to the WAC?

Perhaps because the WAC is #20 our of 32 conferences and the Big Sky is 29?

There are some absolutely horrid bball schools in the Sky. ISU. SUU. SAC St and often PSU are bottom feeders for all DI. Doesn't help Weber St and Montana and others who want to attract better talent. Sac St and Port St still play out of Jr High gyms.

portland state is building a new 50 million dollar arena. stay caught up there nodak. ( it only seats 3,000 though)

Portland St doesn't play there yet. Sac St has been talking about a new arena for ages, but still nothing. Those are two schools with less school spirit than aN urban JC.

UVU's President said they will be an announcement after bball season. The WAC still isn't on solid ground but I suspect it will be this spring.

CBU didn't have to announce to move until next year, as CBU won't start playing a DI schedule almost a year after UNA. The addition makes more sense if a WAC / Big Sky realignment is coming.Q

(01-14-2017 06:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 05:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 02:45 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:56 AM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why would anyone in the Big Sky go to the WAC?

Perhaps because the WAC is #20 our of 32 conferences and the Big Sky is 29?

There are some absolutely horrid bball schools in the Sky. ISU. SUU. SAC St and often PSU are bottom feeders for all DI. Doesn't help Weber St and Montana and others who want to attract better talent. Sac St and Port St still play out of Jr High gyms.

portland state is building a new 50 million dollar arena. stay caught up there nodak. ( it only seats 3,000 though)

Portland St doesn't play there yet. Sac St has been talking about a new arena for ages, but still nothing. Those are two schools with less school spirit than aN urban JC.

UVU's President said they will be an announcement after bball season. The WAC still isn't on solid ground but I suspect it will be this spring.

CBU didn't have to announce to move until next year, as CBU won't start playing a DI schedule almost a year after UNA. The addition makes more sense if a WAC / Big Sky realignment is coming.Q

UVU president said the would be expansion before the season end and it had happened. Nothing more is coming from the WAC. Sorry, you lost.

(01-14-2017 06:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 05:26 PM)billings Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 02:45 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:56 AM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why would anyone in the Big Sky go to the WAC?

Perhaps because the WAC is #20 our of 32 conferences and the Big Sky is 29?

There are some absolutely horrid bball schools in the Sky. ISU. SUU. SAC St and often PSU are bottom feeders for all DI. Doesn't help Weber St and Montana and others who want to attract better talent. Sac St and Port St still play out of Jr High gyms.

portland state is building a new 50 million dollar arena. stay caught up there nodak. ( it only seats 3,000 though)

Portland St doesn't play there yet. Sac St has been talking about a new arena for ages, but still nothing. Those are two schools with less school spirit than aN urban JC.

UVU's President said they will be an announcement after bball season. The WAC still isn't on solid ground but I suspect it will be this spring.

CBU didn't have to announce to move until next year, as CBU won't start playing a DI schedule almost a year after UNA. The addition makes more sense if a WAC / Big Sky realignment is coming.Q

rofl. of course und wont be in the big sky much longer and given what I know from msu the wac thing is not on the board



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Could Northern Colorado be in play for the WAC? If the MVFC is North Dakota's next destination, Northern Colorado going to the WAC and MVFC puts the WAC, Big Sky, Summit, and MVFC all at even numbers.

The MVFC could even split in half and pickup a second automatic bid:

Summit Football - UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, WIU, UNC
Valley Football - MSU, Ill St, So Ill, Ind St, UNI, YSU

(01-14-2017 12:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The WAC can offer FBS

This is a wild a__ guess. No one knows if it would actually work. Most likely, it would be shot down.

(01-14-2017 12:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  At least NMSU and Chicago State will not be in this league in 3 years. Bank on it. This conference remains extremely unstable.

Well that would obviously be Chicago St. Even three years might be a stretch.

(01-14-2017 03:31 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  It's true that Denver left the WAC for the Summit. But UMKC went the opposite direction shortly after, leaving the Summit weaker & fortifying the WAC.

Leaving the Summit weaker? Please. What has UMKC done for any conference it has been in the last 10-15 years?

(01-14-2017 03:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think they thought the Summit was the conference in danger and picked the wrong place to jump to.

Correct. It was a really stupid move, that I'm sure they regret.

(01-14-2017 05:24 PM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  Several people have mentioned GCU's for-profit status as an issuer for many schools, but I remembered Grand Canyon trying to become a non-profit university not that long ago.

That was a scam.

They were just trying to set-up a shell game, for the sake of making GCU appear to be a non-profit school. And only because they thought that would look better, not because they had any interest in education.

GCU is a glorified, for-profit Christian bookstore.

(01-14-2017 06:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UVU's President said they will be an announcement after bball season.

If he wasn't simply mistaken on the timing of Cal Baptist being added, then at most what this would be is Chicago St leaving the league.

(01-15-2017 09:02 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Could Northern Colorado be in play for the WAC? If the MVFC is North Dakota's next destination, Northern Colorado going to the WAC and MVFC puts the WAC, Big Sky, Summit, and MVFC all at even numbers.

I'm struggling to see how that would benefit UNC, even if it were possible. They don't win much in the Big Sky now, so playing in the MVFC would just be worse. Don't think that arrangement could possibly save much travel costs.

Only thing you could possibly say is that UNC's DII glory days happened when they were in the old North Central Conference, with the Dakota schools. So maybe rekindling that old connection would cheer up UNC football boosters? Who knows.

(01-15-2017 09:02 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Summit Football - UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, WIU, UNC
Valley Football - MSU, Ill St, So Ill, Ind St, UNI, YSU

I'd rather have "divisions" within the MVFC. In quotations because there wouldn't be (and couldn't be) a championship game between division winners.

Though it would still require the old Gateway Conf members to travel out to the Dakotas each season, which they don't like doing. So not sure how the divisions would help much.

(01-14-2017 03:31 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  I don't know about all this. It sounds like the primary knock on the WAC is that its members are all looking to upgrade. The same situation exists in every other NCAA conference, save 6.

It's not the same situation. The difference is that schools want out of the WAC while no one in D-I wants in.

The WAC has a lot of exit fees and tourney credits in its war chest. Plus an auto bid to the tourney, and presence in a lot of big cities. They work it right, they can stabilize into a nice regional conference. Teams are going to leave, but they can use DII call ups for replacements. An Arizona, Southern Cal, Utah, and Colorado based league isn't bad at all. Given time. UTGRV, NMSU, Seattle, UMKC, and Chicago St moving out won't be the end of the WAC if the right timing of the right replacements is made. Cal Baptist fits right into the model IMO. UVU, UCSB, CBU, and GCU are the long term core to build around.

Still no clue why this had to be a Friday evening release. Don't know why CBU seemed to wait so long that day and before to post the upcoming announcement. Are the kids even on campus yet?

We know Chicago State is HURTING and NMSU might be close to a Big West reunion, but the timing of this is just so off.

Something else has to be up. If not, that is some really bad PR and marketing for both the conference and institution. So backdoor.

FWIW, the WAC's wiki links to minutes from an April 2016 Chicago State budget committee meeting where it seems pretty cryptic WAC took Chicago State with conditions, and that time is basically up with the school not fully in compliance with the conference standards. Seems to read Chicago State, if it is to remain D1, doesn't have the WAC in its future. So...when is that determination going to happen?

I wish the WAC's constitution or bylaws were available to read. Not that the CBU addition had to be done this soon, but, if you do the math, at the very least, if CSU's contract isn't renewed, it leaves with CBU activated right behind it. The conference stays at eight.

(01-15-2017 01:27 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Still no clue why this had to be a Friday evening release. Don't know why CBU seemed to wait so long that day and before to post the upcoming announcement. Are the kids even on campus yet?

We know Chicago State is HURTING and NMSU might be close to a Big West reunion, but the timing of this is just so off.

Something else has to be up. If not, that is some really bad PR and marketing for both the conference and institution. So backdoor.

FWIW, the WAC's wiki links to minutes from an April 2016 Chicago State budget committee meeting where it seems pretty cryptic WAC took Chicago State with conditions, and that time is basically up with the school not fully in compliance with the conference standards. Seems to read Chicago State, if it is to remain D1, doesn't have the WAC in its future. So...when is that determination going to happen?

I wish the WAC's constitution or bylaws were available to read. Not that the CBU addition had to be done this soon, but, if you do the math, at the very least, if CSU's contract isn't renewed, it leaves with CBU activated right behind it. The conference stays at eight.

It was buried, but the CBU regents were meeting Friday afternoon. The official announcement had to wait until they had voted on it.

So options were Late Friday or wait until after the weekend.

(01-15-2017 01:27 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Still no clue why this had to be a Friday evening release. Don't know why CBU seemed to wait so long that day and before to post the upcoming announcement. Are the kids even on campus yet?

We know Chicago State is HURTING and NMSU might be close to a Big West reunion, but the timing of this is just so off.

Something else has to be up. If not, that is some really bad PR and marketing for both the conference and institution. So backdoor.

FWIW, the WAC's wiki links to minutes from an April 2016 Chicago State budget committee meeting where it seems pretty cryptic WAC took Chicago State with conditions, and that time is basically up with the school not fully in compliance with the conference standards. Seems to read Chicago State, if it is to remain D1, doesn't have the WAC in its future. So...when is that determination going to happen?

I wish the WAC's constitution or bylaws were available to read. Not that the CBU addition had to be done this soon, but, if you do the math, at the very least, if CSU's contract isn't renewed, it leaves with CBU activated right behind it. The conference stays at eight.

If that's how it ends, so be it. The WAC does not need Chicago St, and is much better off jettisoning them. I have no doubt that the NCAA would grant a waiver, if needed, to let the WAC's active DI status stand as-is with CBU added in the good faith that CBU will become a full DI member, and until/if such time as another WAC team leaves (reexamine at that time).

(01-14-2017 05:24 PM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  Several people have mentioned GCU's for-profit status as an issuer for many schools, but I remembered Grand Canyon trying to become a non-profit university not that long ago. A quick google search says that plan would've cost them accreditation as a university. Does anyone know if there's any other plans to move toward non-profit status?

The reason for the accreditation threat was related to how they wanted to do it. What Grand Canyon Education, Inc. proposed was to create a very thin shell of a non-profit, but would be tied to an uncancellable consulting contract for most of the decision making and profit sharing that would go to owner's profit consulting/admin firm.

In short, GC Education never put forth anything more than a sham path to non-profit status.

I don't envy the WAC, FWIW. I think that in order to survive, they took schools most knew they shouldn't take, but, what could you do when everybody went bat**** crazy like they did almost five years ago, and a very healthy WAC (which it is outside of football and basketball) went to death's door.

I can see a rush job to get in other schools to make up for Chicago State and NMSU. Chicago State's *** is grass, and they're done. NMSU was never a long-term investment, either. Be it their pipe-dream of the MWC, or the possibility of appealing to the Sun Belt as a full member, the realities of football operations, location, and its overall departmental needs are not making WAC the best spot for them (although, they could probably get the WAC mbb bid just about every year if they wanted it). I think NMSU-Big West is going to happen very soon, so it adds to the stress of the conference to fill up, waivers or no.

It's Grand Canyon that will probably stand as the regrettable move for the conference. Equally as messy a choice as Chicago State, but, you actually have these other schools willing to wait for D1 invites elsewhere (UCSD) or just leave (Denver) because they want no association with the school. And we know how some in the PAC felt about even scheduling them. GCU probably doesn't have a long WAC future, either, but, how does the conference get to those other replacements and back to stability if there are enough schools out there who just want no part of that?

Again, I don't envy the WAC. Enough schools had feelings about what the WAC shouldn't do. What did those schools bring to the table for an alternative?

(01-15-2017 02:45 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  It was buried, but the CBU regents were meeting Friday afternoon. The official announcement had to wait until they had voted on it.

So options were Late Friday or wait until after the weekend.

State there's going to be an announcement after the weekend just before the weekend. Let the news spread. Announce on Monday or Tuesday with your school community all around you. Embrace this move for the positive that it is. That's textbook.

UCSD's referendum expires in September 2018. If they do not join any D1 conference by then, the fee increases are overturned and the vote itself becomes null and void. They would remain in D2 with no guarantee the next student vote will pass. They still have time but the clock's ticking.

Their wait could end tomorrow or any day before September 17th, 2018 with a Big West invite. A poster on the message boards supposedly in the know said it's a done deal that they will be voted in this spring. I don't buy it. The negatives to bringing in UCSD by themselves are not insignificant.

If the BW decides to pass on them and the WAC offers, I have no idea what they will do.

Could they get a waiver to call up 4 or 5 D2 schools if they know they can't keep Chicago State?
They could get a school call up starting transitioning to D1 for 2017-2018 schools year. That could be Dixie State, Western Washington, Colorado Mesa or whoever that are eligible to be called up. 2018-2019 could be California Baptist. 2019-2020 school year would be Azusa Pacific's turn since they would have finished being in D2 at 8 years. West Texas A&M could be called up for this fall as well. Gives New Mexico State a travel partner and former rival. Several Lone Star schools already been mentioned that are looking to move to D1. Those schools could be something that the WAC could grab. There are a lot of options.

Grand Junction's metro is over 100,000, so Colorado Mesa is a heavy populated area in western Colorado that could be looked at.

I don't have any inside info but I believe UCSD will be invited to join the Big West well before the September 2018 deadline. School presidents make these decisions, not fans, and as a candidate to round out the conference membership at 10 UCSD ticks all the boxes from a Big West president's perspective: familiarity, outstanding world-class academics, geographic proximity, sufficient financial resources thanks to the student fee increase, and adequate facilities already in place. I can't imagine the short-term effect on the Big West's basketball RPI being a significant consideration.

As for NMSU, I don't believe the Big West will add them without a travel partner and unfortunately for the Aggies there's no one to pair up with that would be acceptable to the conference. Grand Canyon is ideally located to play the role but the Big West would never invite a for-profit school.

(01-15-2017 04:21 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Their wait could end tomorrow or any day before September 17th, 2018 with a Big West invite. A poster on the message boards supposedly in the know said it's a done deal that they will be voted in this spring. I don't buy it. The negatives to bringing in UCSD by themselves are not insignificant.

Wouldn't that be where NMSU and/or CSUB come in?

(01-15-2017 06:34 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I don't have any inside info but I believe UCSD will be invited to join the Big West well before the September 2018 deadline. School presidents make these decisions, not fans, and as a candidate to round out the conference membership at 10 UCSD ticks all the boxes from a Big West president's perspective: familiarity, outstanding world-class academics, geographic proximity, sufficient financial resources thanks to the student fee increase, and adequate facilities already in place. I can't imagine the short-term effect on the Big West's basketball RPI being a significant consideration.

As for NMSU, I don't believe the Big West will add them without a travel partner and unfortunately for the Aggies there's no one to pair up with that would be acceptable to the conference. Grand Canyon is ideally located to play the role but the Big West would never invite a for-profit school.

Imagine the Big West schedules DII teams at the allowed rate of three a year. Substituting in UCSD for two games doesn't hurt much.

As said previously, UCSD has already joined the Big West for men's volleyball, and the Big West will get an autobid and sponsor it for the first time The MPSF was forced to take Concordia Irvine to maintain their autobid for 2018. That's quite a letdown for powers such as UCLA and BYU, who would have preferred the lesser UC schools stay.

UCSD would be the highest rated academic school in the Big West. It's a no brainer for Presidents, regardless of UCSD athletic ratings or facilities.

I meant over on the Big West boards. And no, it's not Mongoose. Someone else