(01-09-2017 03:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  CBU was accepted to DII in 2010.
They went through a 3 yr transition culminating in full membership in 2013.
They need five full years in DII before they can move to DI.
That mears 2018 is the first year they can move up.
It takes five years to become fully DI, so CBU wouldn't help the WAC until 2023 in case any school leaves.

If GCU, Seattle, or NMSU leave before 2023, the rest of the conference is SOL.

Not saying CBU is not aspirational for DI, but it's not a WAC savior for six years. The WAC needs full DI schools right now, not in 2023.
.

They need both, IMHO. Cal Baptist in 2018 would show that there is a future for the WAC as an alternative Western DI conference. And, with GCU having finished transition, no harm. Remember, GCU has the same founding legacy as CBU.

But they do need another DI school. Not sure who would join though.

The carrot is FBS football. There are many schools that are willing to join a conference for a future FBS WAC Conference. Liberty might be able to pay their way in until they get a better offer.

Any MVFC who aspire FBS could join. Lamar, Sam Houston State and SFA might be interested. Wichita State could used the WAC as a stepping stone.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, James Madison and Delaware along with Stony Brook could be interested.


West:
Seattle *
Bakersfield State*
Utah Valley*
Grand Canyon U.*
New Mexico State
UTRGV*
Cal.-San Diego* (ready to join now)
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
Wichita State*
Sam Houston State
Lamar
SFA

East:
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Liberty
UMKC*
Chicago State*
James Madison
Delaware
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Stony Brook
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State

Some of the schools on the east coast could be football only.

18 football members. 26 overall. The conferences that are in trouble are MVFC, CAA, Summit and Big South.

There is no FBS carrot for the WAC....its over and done with.

So this board is supposed to pretend the WAC doesn't retain the right to granting FBS status? Gotcha. The elephant in the room can't be discussed.

(01-09-2017 06:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  CBU was accepted to DII in 2010.
They went through a 3 yr transition culminating in full membership in 2013.
They need five full years in DII before they can move to DI.
That mears 2018 is the first year they can move up.
It takes five years to become fully DI, so CBU wouldn't help the WAC until 2023 in case any school leaves.

If GCU, Seattle, or NMSU leave before 2023, the rest of the conference is SOL.

Not saying CBU is not aspirational for DI, but it's not a WAC savior for six years. The WAC needs full DI schools right now, not in 2023.
.

They need both, IMHO. Cal Baptist in 2018 would show that there is a future for the WAC as an alternative Western DI conference. And, with GCU having finished transition, no harm. Remember, GCU has the same founding legacy as CBU.

But they do need another DI school. Not sure who would join though.

The carrot is FBS football. There are many schools that are willing to join a conference for a future FBS WAC Conference. Liberty might be able to pay their way in until they get a better offer.

Any MVFC who aspire FBS could join. Lamar, Sam Houston State and SFA might be interested. Wichita State could used the WAC as a stepping stone.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, James Madison and Delaware along with Stony Brook could be interested.


West:
Seattle *
Bakersfield State*
Utah Valley*
Grand Canyon U.*
New Mexico State
UTRGV*
Cal.-San Diego* (ready to join now)
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
Wichita State*
Sam Houston State
Lamar
SFA

East:
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Liberty
UMKC*
Chicago State*
James Madison
Delaware
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Stony Brook
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State

Some of the schools on the east coast could be football only.

18 football members. 26 overall. The conferences that are in trouble are MVFC, CAA, Summit and Big South.

There is no FBS carrot for the WAC....its over and done with.

So this board is supposed to pretend the WAC doesn't retain the right to granting FBS status? Gotcha. The elephant in the room can't be discussed.

I do think MW Tex and others are afraid more conferences could be added to the FBS level when in the NCAA D1 schools that a former FBS conference can restart football.

WAC
Big West
MVFC
Southwest Conference
Southern
Southland all could be brought as an FBS conference since they were 1A/FBS at one time.

(01-09-2017 06:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 06:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  They need both, IMHO. Cal Baptist in 2018 would show that there is a future for the WAC as an alternative Western DI conference. And, with GCU having finished transition, no harm. Remember, GCU has the same founding legacy as CBU.

But they do need another DI school. Not sure who would join though.

The carrot is FBS football. There are many schools that are willing to join a conference for a future FBS WAC Conference. Liberty might be able to pay their way in until they get a better offer.

Any MVFC who aspire FBS could join. Lamar, Sam Houston State and SFA might be interested. Wichita State could used the WAC as a stepping stone.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, James Madison and Delaware along with Stony Brook could be interested.


West:
Seattle *
Bakersfield State*
Utah Valley*
Grand Canyon U.*
New Mexico State
UTRGV*
Cal.-San Diego* (ready to join now)
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
Wichita State*
Sam Houston State
Lamar
SFA

East:
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Liberty
UMKC*
Chicago State*
James Madison
Delaware
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Stony Brook
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State

Some of the schools on the east coast could be football only.

18 football members. 26 overall. The conferences that are in trouble are MVFC, CAA, Summit and Big South.

There is no FBS carrot for the WAC....its over and done with.

So this board is supposed to pretend the WAC doesn't retain the right to granting FBS status? Gotcha. The elephant in the room can't be discussed.

I do think MW Tex and others are afraid more conferences could be added to the FBS level when in the NCAA D1 schools that a former FBS conference can restart football.

WAC
Big West
MVFC
Southwest Conference
Southern
Southland all could be brought as an FBS conference since they were 1A/FBS at one time.

No they can't.

Even if NoDak is correct about the WAC, the list ends there - since they were the only FBS conference in existence when the rule he is using was in place.

By your logic, NAU, WTAMU, Hardin-Simmons could reform the Border Conference and go FBS. Nope, not happening.

(01-09-2017 06:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 06:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 06:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The carrot is FBS football. There are many schools that are willing to join a conference for a future FBS WAC Conference. Liberty might be able to pay their way in until they get a better offer.

Any MVFC who aspire FBS could join. Lamar, Sam Houston State and SFA might be interested. Wichita State could used the WAC as a stepping stone.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, James Madison and Delaware along with Stony Brook could be interested.


West:
Seattle *
Bakersfield State*
Utah Valley*
Grand Canyon U.*
New Mexico State
UTRGV*
Cal.-San Diego* (ready to join now)
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
Wichita State*
Sam Houston State
Lamar
SFA

East:
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Liberty
UMKC*
Chicago State*
James Madison
Delaware
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Stony Brook
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State

Some of the schools on the east coast could be football only.

18 football members. 26 overall. The conferences that are in trouble are MVFC, CAA, Summit and Big South.

There is no FBS carrot for the WAC....its over and done with.

So this board is supposed to pretend the WAC doesn't retain the right to granting FBS status? Gotcha. The elephant in the room can't be discussed.

I do think MW Tex and others are afraid more conferences could be added to the FBS level when in the NCAA D1 schools that a former FBS conference can restart football.

WAC
Big West
MVFC
Southwest Conference
Southern
Southland all could be brought as an FBS conference since they were 1A/FBS at one time.

No they can't.

Even if NoDak is correct about the WAC, the list ends there - since they were the only FBS conference in existence when the rule he is using was in place.

By your logic, NAU, WTAMU, Hardin-Simmons could reform the Border Conference and go FBS. Nope, not happening.

Border Conference disbanded before there were 1A and 1AA formed or FBS/FCS. I am talking about 1978 to now.

UMKC is the replacement for either Missouri State or Wichita State in the MVC.

I am reading Tarleton State is adding stuff to their athletic buildings.

Soccer turf field with a TSU logos. A swimming and diving pool, and major upgrading to their basketball gym.

https://www.tarleton.edu/scripts/press/d...sp?id=5053

Why do you add a D1 type Synthetic turf for soccer? Are they having plans?

Will they add women's soccer and a swim team in the future? Why spend that much money for club sports when you could actually used them for the future? Tarleton State said they want to go D1. This could be their first step.

(01-09-2017 07:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am reading Tarleton State is adding stuff to their athletic buildings.

Soccer turf field with a TSU logos. A swimming and diving pool, and major upgrading to their basketball gym.

https://www.tarleton.edu/scripts/press/d...sp?id=5053

Why do you add a D1 type Synthetic turf for soccer? Are they having plans?

Will they add women's soccer and a swim team in the future? Why spend that much money for club sports when you could actually used them for the future? Tarleton State said they want to go D1. This could be their first step.

Answer: Because it is an arms race out there. Even schools with no intention of moving up feel they need to improve facilities because students/potential students make their choice to a great extent on things such as facilities.

(01-09-2017 07:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am reading Tarleton State is adding stuff to their athletic buildings.

Soccer turf field with a TSU logos. A swimming and diving pool, and major upgrading to their basketball gym.

https://www.tarleton.edu/scripts/press/d...sp?id=5053

Why do you add a D1 type Synthetic turf for soccer? Are they having plans?

Will they add women's soccer and a swim team in the future? Why spend that much money for club sports when you could actually used them for the future? Tarleton State said they want to go D1. This could be their first step.

Tarleton is a natural fit for the Southland someday. Not a likely candidate for the WAC IMO.

(01-09-2017 10:59 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 07:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am reading Tarleton State is adding stuff to their athletic buildings.

Soccer turf field with a TSU logos. A swimming and diving pool, and major upgrading to their basketball gym.

https://www.tarleton.edu/scripts/press/d...sp?id=5053

Why do you add a D1 type Synthetic turf for soccer? Are they having plans?

Will they add women's soccer and a swim team in the future? Why spend that much money for club sports when you could actually used them for the future? Tarleton State said they want to go D1. This could be their first step.

Tarleton is a natural fit for the Southland someday. Not a likely candidate for the WAC IMO.

They would be travel partners for UTRGV.

(01-09-2017 06:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  CBU was accepted to DII in 2010.
They went through a 3 yr transition culminating in full membership in 2013.
They need five full years in DII before they can move to DI.
That mears 2018 is the first year they can move up.
It takes five years to become fully DI, so CBU wouldn't help the WAC until 2023 in case any school leaves.

If GCU, Seattle, or NMSU leave before 2023, the rest of the conference is SOL.

Not saying CBU is not aspirational for DI, but it's not a WAC savior for six years. The WAC needs full DI schools right now, not in 2023.
.

They need both, IMHO. Cal Baptist in 2018 would show that there is a future for the WAC as an alternative Western DI conference. And, with GCU having finished transition, no harm. Remember, GCU has the same founding legacy as CBU.

But they do need another DI school. Not sure who would join though.

The carrot is FBS football. There are many schools that are willing to join a conference for a future FBS WAC Conference. Liberty might be able to pay their way in until they get a better offer.

Any MVFC who aspire FBS could join. Lamar, Sam Houston State and SFA might be interested. Wichita State could used the WAC as a stepping stone.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, James Madison and Delaware along with Stony Brook could be interested.


West:
Seattle *
Bakersfield State*
Utah Valley*
Grand Canyon U.*
New Mexico State
UTRGV*
Cal.-San Diego* (ready to join now)
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
Wichita State*
Sam Houston State
Lamar
SFA

East:
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Liberty
UMKC*
Chicago State*
James Madison
Delaware
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Stony Brook
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State

Some of the schools on the east coast could be football only.

18 football members. 26 overall. The conferences that are in trouble are MVFC, CAA, Summit and Big South.

There is no FBS carrot for the WAC....its over and done with.

So this board is supposed to pretend the WAC doesn't retain the right to granting FBS status? Gotcha. The elephant in the room can't be discussed.

Because people don't believe the WAC retains that right.

(01-10-2017 11:03 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 06:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 01:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  They need both, IMHO. Cal Baptist in 2018 would show that there is a future for the WAC as an alternative Western DI conference. And, with GCU having finished transition, no harm. Remember, GCU has the same founding legacy as CBU.

But they do need another DI school. Not sure who would join though.

The carrot is FBS football. There are many schools that are willing to join a conference for a future FBS WAC Conference. Liberty might be able to pay their way in until they get a better offer.

Any MVFC who aspire FBS could join. Lamar, Sam Houston State and SFA might be interested. Wichita State could used the WAC as a stepping stone.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, James Madison and Delaware along with Stony Brook could be interested.


West:
Seattle *
Bakersfield State*
Utah Valley*
Grand Canyon U.*
New Mexico State
UTRGV*
Cal.-San Diego* (ready to join now)
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
Wichita State*
Sam Houston State
Lamar
SFA

East:
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Liberty
UMKC*
Chicago State*
James Madison
Delaware
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Stony Brook
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State

Some of the schools on the east coast could be football only.

18 football members. 26 overall. The conferences that are in trouble are MVFC, CAA, Summit and Big South.

There is no FBS carrot for the WAC....its over and done with.

So this board is supposed to pretend the WAC doesn't retain the right to granting FBS status? Gotcha. The elephant in the room can't be discussed.

Because people don't believe the WAC retains that right.

You would know better than I do here - from what I've seen, I don't see how the WAC has that right at all at least in a unilateral sense. AFAIK, it can't just unilaterally declare itself to be a FBS conference and start moving up FCS schools to the FBS level. Now, if the WAC poaches 7 *existing* FBS schools from other leagues, I guess that could give the WAC such "right", although I would think that *any* conference (not just the WAC) could in theory poach 7 *existing* FBS schools and become a FBS league.

(01-10-2017 11:28 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 11:03 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 06:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The carrot is FBS football. There are many schools that are willing to join a conference for a future FBS WAC Conference. Liberty might be able to pay their way in until they get a better offer.

Any MVFC who aspire FBS could join. Lamar, Sam Houston State and SFA might be interested. Wichita State could used the WAC as a stepping stone.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, James Madison and Delaware along with Stony Brook could be interested.


West:
Seattle *
Bakersfield State*
Utah Valley*
Grand Canyon U.*
New Mexico State
UTRGV*
Cal.-San Diego* (ready to join now)
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota
Wichita State*
Sam Houston State
Lamar
SFA

East:
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Liberty
UMKC*
Chicago State*
James Madison
Delaware
Youngstown State
Illinois State
Stony Brook
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State

Some of the schools on the east coast could be football only.

18 football members. 26 overall. The conferences that are in trouble are MVFC, CAA, Summit and Big South.

There is no FBS carrot for the WAC....its over and done with.

So this board is supposed to pretend the WAC doesn't retain the right to granting FBS status? Gotcha. The elephant in the room can't be discussed.

Because people don't believe the WAC retains that right.

You would know better than I do here - from what I've seen, I don't see how the WAC has that right at all at least in a unilateral sense. AFAIK, it can't just unilaterally declare itself to be a FBS conference and start moving up FCS schools to the FBS level. Now, if the WAC poaches 7 *existing* FBS schools from other leagues, I guess that could give the WAC such "right", although I would think that *any* conference (not just the WAC) could in theory poach 7 *existing* FBS schools and become a FBS league.

A WAC official has gone on record saying it can invite schools and grant FBS transition status. Either we can believe the WAC or fans such as Arkstfan or MplsBison or MWC TEX.

An FBS granting WAC changes everything for som3 FCS schools. Idaho could go back and it would be at the top of the WAC's list. The MWC would have Idaho far from the top. But of course, the WAC wants 8 full time members to get FBS conference status again. Since its not included in the CFP contract, it needs to be FBS before the next contract to be included. Hence, there is not a rush prior to 2020 to begin a league-wide transition with mostly realigned schools.

In the NCAA regs, it's clear as day that former FBS conference can still invite FCS teams to FBS, but many posters here are simply in disbelief that it would be allowed. They don't want G5 competition. P5 fans generally don't care .

(01-10-2017 11:28 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  You would know better than I do here - from what I've seen, I don't see how the WAC has that right at all at least in a unilateral sense. AFAIK, it can't just unilaterally declare itself to be a FBS conference and start moving up FCS schools to the FBS level. Now, if the WAC poaches 7 *existing* FBS schools from other leagues, I guess that could give the WAC such "right", although I would think that *any* conference (not just the WAC) could in theory poach 7 *existing* FBS schools and become a FBS league.

The WAC may still retain the invite power to upgrade to FBS yet its kinda a moot point. Say Liberty wanted to use it. They would be upgrading to FBS and be in a wasteland of independent status not party to the CFP agreement.

(01-10-2017 12:06 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 11:28 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  You would know better than I do here - from what I've seen, I don't see how the WAC has that right at all at least in a unilateral sense. AFAIK, it can't just unilaterally declare itself to be a FBS conference and start moving up FCS schools to the FBS level. Now, if the WAC poaches 7 *existing* FBS schools from other leagues, I guess that could give the WAC such "right", although I would think that *any* conference (not just the WAC) could in theory poach 7 *existing* FBS schools and become a FBS league.

The WAC may still retain the invite power to upgrade to FBS yet its kinda a moot point. Say Liberty wanted to use it. They would be upgrading to FBS and be in a wasteland of independent status not party to the CFP agreement.

The WAC needs eight full time schools to go back to being an FBS again. Having Liberty as an affiliate to help the other schools schedule would be a great help when it decides to transition. Liberty will get an affiliate FBS offer but not until the WAC is positioned to transition to FBS. JMU could get one too. Of course they would need to pay some rather big bucks for one.

(01-10-2017 11:46 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 11:28 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 11:03 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 06:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  There is no FBS carrot for the WAC....its over and done with.

So this board is supposed to pretend the WAC doesn't retain the right to granting FBS status? Gotcha. The elephant in the room can't be discussed.

Because people don't believe the WAC retains that right.

You would know better than I do here - from what I've seen, I don't see how the WAC has that right at all at least in a unilateral sense. AFAIK, it can't just unilaterally declare itself to be a FBS conference and start moving up FCS schools to the FBS level. Now, if the WAC poaches 7 *existing* FBS schools from other leagues, I guess that could give the WAC such "right", although I would think that *any* conference (not just the WAC) could in theory poach 7 *existing* FBS schools and become a FBS league.

A WAC official has gone on record saying it can invite schools and grant FBS transition status. Either we can believe the WAC or fans such as Arkstfan or MplsBison or MWC TEX.

An FBS granting WAC changes everything for som3 FCS schools. Idaho could go back and it would be at the top of the list. The MWC would have Idaho far from the top. But of course, the WAC wants 8 full time members to get FBS conference status again. Since its not included in the CFP contract, it needs to be FBS before the next contract to be included. Hence, there is not a rush prior to 2020 to begin a league-wide transition with mostly realigned schools.

In the NCAA regs, it's clear as day that former FBS conference call still invite FCS teams to FBS, but many posters here are simply in disbelief that it would be allowed. They don't want G5 competition. P5 fans generally don't care .

I would love to see that reg about former FBS conference you mention in your post above.

(01-10-2017 12:32 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  I would love to see that reg about former FBS conference you mention in your post above.

NCAA Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1
Eligibility for Reclassification - Before a Football Championship Subdivision institution may apply for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the institution must receive a bona fide invitation for membership from a Football Bowl Subdivision conference or a conference that previously met the definition of a Football Bowl Subdivision conference.

This was dug up by the consultants hired by Idaho to explore their options. The consultant report also says the WAC compliance officer states that he's been told by the NCAA that the WAC meets these criteria.

A bunch of people on this forum don't believe this is true. I keep asking them to show the rule that negates this "previously met" clause. So far I haven't seen it.

(01-10-2017 12:46 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:32 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  I would love to see that reg about former FBS conference you mention in your post above.

NCAA Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1
Eligibility for Reclassification - Before a Football Championship Subdivision institution may apply for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the institution must receive a bona fide invitation for membership from a Football Bowl Subdivision conference or a conference that previously met the definition of a Football Bowl Subdivision conference.

This was dug up by the consultants hired by Idaho to explore their options. The consultant report also says the WAC compliance officer states that he's been told by the NCAA that the WAC meets these criteria.

A bunch of people on this forum don't believe this is true. I keep asking them to show the rule that negates this "previously met" clause. So far I haven't seen it.

OK - that's very interesting. I haven't seen that before. Thanks.

(01-10-2017 12:46 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:32 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  I would love to see that reg about former FBS conference you mention in your post above.

NCAA Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1
Eligibility for Reclassification - Before a Football Championship Subdivision institution may apply for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the institution must receive a bona fide invitation for membership from a Football Bowl Subdivision conference or a conference that previously met the definition of a Football Bowl Subdivision conference.

This was dug up by the consultants hired by Idaho to explore their options. The consultant report also says the WAC compliance officer states that he's been told by the NCAA that the WAC meets these criteria.

A bunch of people on this forum don't believe this is true. I keep asking them to show the rule that negates this "previously met" clause. So far I haven't seen it.

So if a group of schools, some of which were in Idaho's region, approached Idaho with the idea of making the WAC an FBS conference would Idaho join?

(01-10-2017 12:50 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:46 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:32 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  I would love to see that reg about former FBS conference you mention in your post above.

NCAA Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1
Eligibility for Reclassification - Before a Football Championship Subdivision institution may apply for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the institution must receive a bona fide invitation for membership from a Football Bowl Subdivision conference or a conference that previously met the definition of a Football Bowl Subdivision conference.

This was dug up by the consultants hired by Idaho to explore their options. The consultant report also says the WAC compliance officer states that he's been told by the NCAA that the WAC meets these criteria.

A bunch of people on this forum don't believe this is true. I keep asking them to show the rule that negates this "previously met" clause. So far I haven't seen it.

OK - that's very interesting. I haven't seen that before. Thanks.

However the point solohawks makes above is an important one. If you're an FCS school, this by-law makes it possible for you to begin the transition to FBS by joining the WAC; however you'd be committing to becoming an FBS independent since the WAC doesn't currently meet the main requirement to be deemed an FBS conference (having eight full members that are FBS). In effect you'd be making the investment to move up to FBS just so you can join NMSU as another FBS independent that plays its other sports in the WAC.

Also those who argue the WAC could return to FBS conference status by inviting seven or more FCS schools to simultaneously join NMSU in the conference and having them all transition to FBS together are ignoring another FBS reclassification requirement (besides the eligibility by-law quoted above): any FCS school moving up to FBS has to play a largely FBS schedule during its transition period. So seven FCS schools could join the WAC tomorrow, but they would all have to play as FBS independents during their transition periods and schedule most of their games against current FBS schools rather than each other. Only after they all succeeded in meeting this huge scheduling challenge over a period of multiple years would they all achieve full FBS status, enabling the WAC to finally reclaim FBS conference status and resume sponsoring football at the FBS level.

The bottom line is that there is a hypothetical path under the current rules for multiple FCS schools to move up to FBS by joining the WAC and for the WAC to become an FBS conference again. However the practical obstacles are huge.

(01-10-2017 12:46 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(01-10-2017 12:32 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  I would love to see that reg about former FBS conference you mention in your post above.

NCAA Bylaw 20.4.2.1.1
Eligibility for Reclassification - Before a Football Championship Subdivision institution may apply for reclassification to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the institution must receive a bona fide invitation for membership from a Football Bowl Subdivision conference or a conference that previously met the definition of a Football Bowl Subdivision conference.

This was dug up by the consultants hired by Idaho to explore their options. The consultant report also says the WAC compliance officer states that he's been told by the NCAA that the WAC meets these criteria.

A bunch of people on this forum don't believe this is true. I keep asking them to show the rule that negates this "previously met" clause. So far I haven't seen it.

If true, why did Idaho leave the WAC? There was no need to move to the Big Sky. I guess the test will be Liberty joining the WAC and transition to FBS....
I guess the Big West can claim the same thing?
I guess UC Davis can become FBS then.