(01-06-2017 12:41 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Just for the record guys, this year is the seventh straight year that we have had record car sales in America.


Obama's America.

So..,. The "Fords not going to mexico because of demand" is fake news then?

I'M pretty sure those were electric cars. You could atleast pretend to be paying attention.

(01-06-2017 10:47 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 04:52 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 08:33 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  ...if true? I approve of this ploy by Trump...full of schit or not.

You approve of his mafia style leadership?

Don't liberals like taxes on big corporations?

Yes, I love it when they pick and choose to make certain products more expensive.

You sure seemed to love it when the decided to make health insurance more expensive. Or when they decided to make certain energy technology companies **cough** Solyndra **cough** the recipient of funds from the tax payer.

Yes, I'm very upset my insurance went up $6 per month and get better coverage this year. Damn Democrats.

I didn't know this but now that Obamacare is the law, I can take my kid to urgent care for $60.

That is amazing.

(01-06-2017 10:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 09:41 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 06:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  By the time we are done ripping up regs, new cars will be cheap again. That I can tell you.

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Only way that'll happen is the union's get gutted. And that my friends is the real fear of the lefties.

Or be allowed to use old technology and build bare bones cars that aren't run by computers and ruined by pcv systems. Wouldn't cost $3000 to build an 80s model vehicle to the same specs.

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So you want them to downgrade cars like Trump wants to downgrade AF1 to make it cheap. How many people do you think would buy your cheap car? How many people are buying flip phones because they are cheaper?.

I've worked in the auto industry. I've seen some of the crap they would ship out if they were not regulated. I've seen some crap they have sent out even though they are regulated. Careful what you wish for.

The downgrade option should be available, yes. $40,000 new cars will still be available as well. However, I'd rather spend $5,000 for a 1990 Honda Civic replica with 0 miles than spend $5,000 for a 2010 Civic with 120,000 miles that cost $1,000 to repair every time a computerized sensor or solenoid malfunctions. Deregulation would be yuge for both business and the consumer.

1990 Civic. lol
Buying new is for suckers. Certified used us the way to go. No worries, just put a new engine and transmission in my 2001 blazer.

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't know this but now that Obamacare is the law, I can take my kid to urgent care for $60.

That is amazing.

Coulda done that before. Urgent care been around for a very long time, long in advance of the ACA.

I used to get my kid's school physicals at the grocery store.

(01-06-2017 12:48 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Yes, I'm very upset my insurance went up $6 per month and get better coverage this year. Damn Democrats.

It's all about you and your 6$ per month, and not me and my 100$ or more per month and my higher deductibles....

Thank goodness that when my wife was chronically ill it happened a few years before the AFA! for three years I hit my family premiums of 1,800 by march and was covered 100% after that. Today that number is 5,000$... SO I am paying 1,200-2,400 more a year for insurance premiums and I have to shell out 3,000$ before it really starts helping me.

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't know this but now that Obamacare is the law, I can take my kid to urgent care for $60.

That is amazing.

I was using urgent care long before the AFA and it's always been far cheaper than the ER

(01-06-2017 12:51 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 10:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 09:41 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Only way that'll happen is the union's get gutted. And that my friends is the real fear of the lefties.

Or be allowed to use old technology and build bare bones cars that aren't run by computers and ruined by pcv systems. Wouldn't cost $3000 to build an 80s model vehicle to the same specs.

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So you want them to downgrade cars like Trump wants to downgrade AF1 to make it cheap. How many people do you think would buy your cheap car? How many people are buying flip phones because they are cheaper?.

I've worked in the auto industry. I've seen some of the crap they would ship out if they were not regulated. I've seen some crap they have sent out even though they are regulated. Careful what you wish for.

The downgrade option should be available, yes. $40,000 new cars will still be available as well. However, I'd rather spend $5,000 for a 1990 Honda Civic replica with 0 miles than spend $5,000 for a 2010 Civic with 120,000 miles that cost $1,000 to repair every time a computerized sensor or solenoid malfunctions. Deregulation would be yuge for both business and the consumer.

1990 Civic. lol
Buying new is for suckers. Certified used us the way to go. No worries, just put a new engine and transmission in my 2001 blazer.

Yeah, buying new is for suckers... when the base piece of schit model starts at $30k. No argument here. Get the base piece of schit model back well under $10k and there will be a lot of manufacturing labor needed and a lot more money (and less debt) in consumers' pockets. The reason the base piece of schits are $30k is because they have to comply with ridiculous standards, state of the art technology, and the R&D that goes into it. The amount of manufacturing labor that goes into building a car has gone way down.

(01-06-2017 12:51 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 10:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 09:41 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Only way that'll happen is the union's get gutted. And that my friends is the real fear of the lefties.

Or be allowed to use old technology and build bare bones cars that aren't run by computers and ruined by pcv systems. Wouldn't cost $3000 to build an 80s model vehicle to the same specs.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

So you want them to downgrade cars like Trump wants to downgrade AF1 to make it cheap. How many people do you think would buy your cheap car? How many people are buying flip phones because they are cheaper?.

I've worked in the auto industry. I've seen some of the crap they would ship out if they were not regulated. I've seen some crap they have sent out even though they are regulated. Careful what you wish for.

The downgrade option should be available, yes. $40,000 new cars will still be available as well. However, I'd rather spend $5,000 for a 1990 Honda Civic replica with 0 miles than spend $5,000 for a 2010 Civic with 120,000 miles that cost $1,000 to repair every time a computerized sensor or solenoid malfunctions. Deregulation would be yuge for both business and the consumer.

1990 Civic. lol
Buying new is for suckers. Certified used us the way to go. No worries, just put a new engine and transmission in my 2001 blazer.

yea I'm buying a 2012 today.

(01-06-2017 12:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:41 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Just for the record guys, this year is the seventh straight year that we have had record car sales in America.


Obama's America.

So..,. The "Fords not going to mexico because of demand" is fake news then?

I don't know anything about that. From what I have heard, it had to do with a specific model of car.

Overall however, we have had record new car sales for seven straight years.

Not bad for a country that is supposedly crumbling in economic despair.

Can you cite this? Not only the numbers, but also the 'crumbling in economic despair' comment? I've certainly seen PEOPLE or AREAS that are crumbling in despair based on still anemic job levels, but not that anyone has claimed that the 'economy' is.

According to the first/main link on google, I got this https://www.statista.com/statistics/1999...ince-1951/

2016 7,105,162
2015 7,731,429
2014 7,918,601
2013 7,780,710
....
2007 7,562,334
2006 7,761,592
2005 7,659,983
...
2002 8,042,255
2001 8.352,000
2000 8,777,726
...
1994 8,990,517
...
1986 11,404,239
1978 11,314,000
...
1973 11,424,000


I realize that this doesn't jibe with the WSJ article, but THAT one lists 'light-vehicle sales' which is a different measure... and only goes back to 2000... and yet still shows that from around 2000-2007, we were at/near the same levels as 2014 and 16 and of course well above 2008-2013.

I'm not going to do the legwork, but this chart shows similar number in terms of the ebb/flow of vehicle sales.
https://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gap_hist.xlsx


FTR, those other years didn't have the cash for clunkers 'bump' and many of them didn't have to double the national debt in order to generate those sales.



Before you start.... I'm not knocking the economy or the numbers,.... I'm merely refuting what appears to be an attempt to make them into far more than they actually are.


Americans buy lots of cars. 8 years and 10+ trillion dollars after a 'collapse', we're just now sticking our heads back above water.

(01-06-2017 01:07 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I didn't know this but now that Obamacare is the law, I can take my kid to urgent care for $60.

That is amazing.

I was using urgent care long before the AFA and it's always been far cheaper than the ER

Same here. I got stitches at an urgent care when I was still living at home. I wasn't driving yet and had to get my neighbor to drive me because nobody else was home so it had to be '86 or early '87.

Obamacare works miracles even close to a quarter century before it was passed.