(12-31-2016 01:15 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 12:12 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 10:13 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 10:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  They don't plot the same.

To clarify, I don't contest that the climate is changing. But if you're making the argument, don't be so sloppy with your data.

I can't find the same plot with September 2016 data, so you'll have to make do with this one. Googling on a mobile phone at a mall is annoying.

Besides, it's only an inconvenience that you have to read this graph differently. The data is still there to be read.

The point is that 2012 was a local minimum, it's deceptive to pick that year and that year only to make a comparison.


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OK.

So what percentage of climate change is man-made and what percentage is just the natural change? If we stopped using all fossil fuels right now what effect would it have on the changing climate?

What percentage do you think scientists attribute to humans?

You tell me. You are the Spin Room's resident high priest of the climate change cult.

I want to know exactly how much humans contribute and the direct effect it would have if we stopped using fossil fuels right now. I mean if you are demanding that we destroy our economy switching to less efficient and far more expensive modes of energy surely you have the answers.

You tell me. You are the Spin Room's resident high priest of the climate change cult.

I want to know exactly how much humans contribute and the direct effect it would have if we stopped using fossil fuels right now. I mean if you are demanding that we destroy our economy switching to less efficient and far more expensive modes of energy surely you have the answers.
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Cows, Kaplony, don't forget the cows.

I know I do my best against climate change every chance I get. Hmmm, Prime Rib.

(12-31-2016 12:59 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  You tell me. You are the Spin Room's resident high priest of the climate change cult.

I want to know exactly how much humans contribute and the direct effect it would have if we stopped using fossil fuels right now. I mean if you are demanding that we destroy our economy switching to less efficient and far more expensive modes of energy surely you have the answers.

Cows, Kaplony, don't forget the cows.

I know I do my best against climate change every chance I get. Hmmm, Prime Rib.
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Hopefully in a few years I'll be watching the world burn as I tend to my small herd of beef cattle while driving a tuned diesel truck.

(12-31-2016 01:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 12:59 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  You tell me. You are the Spin Room's resident high priest of the climate change cult.

I want to know exactly how much humans contribute and the direct effect it would have if we stopped using fossil fuels right now. I mean if you are demanding that we destroy our economy switching to less efficient and far more expensive modes of energy surely you have the answers.

Cows, Kaplony, don't forget the cows.

I know I do my best against climate change every chance I get. Hmmm, Prime Rib.

Hopefully in a few years I'll be watching the world burn as I tend to my small herd of beef cattle while driving a tuned diesel truck.
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So it's all your fault with all those cows. Hmmm, interesting.

(12-31-2016 01:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Hopefully in a few years I'll be watching the world burn

Hopefully the federal government will take your retirement account away from you, to help pay to fix the climate.


Oh relax, just one troll post for another

(12-31-2016 02:22 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 01:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Hopefully in a few years I'll be watching the world burn

Hopefully the federal government will take your retirement account away from you, to help pay to fix the climate.


Oh relax, just one troll post for another

Doubtful. In 21 days we replace the income redistribution crew with reasonable adults.

But I would expect nothing less of an idea from someone who openly embraces the tactics of Nazi Germany like you. I bet you have Magda Goebbels picture on your wall.

(12-31-2016 02:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  In 21 days we replace the income redistribution crew with reasonable adults.

So you want to watch the world burn while Trump is in office??

(12-31-2016 02:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I bet you have Magda Goebbels picture on your wall.

Of course not, I have several friends who are Jewish. I prefer them at times to Christians.


But getting away from your ad homs and back to the point: let's take a moment to go into pretend-land.

Let's say in this pretend-land that the climate isn't changing a single iota due to burning of hydrocarbons, that it was always going to change in this manner naturally.


Fossil fuel burning is still a dirty, dirty way to transfer energy into motion or heat.

Electric is better, on all fronts. Besides from being clean, electric motors are vastly more efficient than internal combustion. All that's lagging now are an abundance of cost effective, clean electric generators and cost effective, clean electric storage.

We'll get there, soon enough.


Crude oil, propane, natural gas, gasoline ... these will all be in museums, one day.

(12-31-2016 03:20 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 02:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I bet you have Magda Goebbels picture on your wall.

Of course not, I have several friends who are Jewish.

According to you libturds, thats a racist statement. Non-racists dont point out the fact that they have black friends or jewish friends.

Quote:I prefer them at times to Christians.

Why? Because you hate Christians?

(12-31-2016 03:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  According to you libturds

I'm not a libertarian

(12-31-2016 03:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  thats a racist statement

Obviously it is, I referred to race.

(12-31-2016 03:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Because you hate Christians?

Some Christians think they're better than everyone else in the world because they believe some guy from the middle east is the son of god, or something like that.

(12-31-2016 11:48 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 01:15 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 12:12 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 10:13 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 10:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  They don't plot the same.

To clarify, I don't contest that the climate is changing. But if you're making the argument, don't be so sloppy with your data.

I can't find the same plot with September 2016 data, so you'll have to make do with this one. Googling on a mobile phone at a mall is annoying.

Besides, it's only an inconvenience that you have to read this graph differently. The data is still there to be read.

The point is that 2012 was a local minimum, it's deceptive to pick that year and that year only to make a comparison.


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OK.

So what percentage of climate change is man-made and what percentage is just the natural change? If we stopped using all fossil fuels right now what effect would it have on the changing climate?

What percentage do you think scientists attribute to humans?

You tell me. You are the Spin Room's resident high priest of the climate change cult.

I want to know exactly how much humans contribute and the direct effect it would have if we stopped using fossil fuels right now. I mean if you are demanding that we destroy our economy switching to less efficient and far more expensive modes of energy surely you have the answers.

Sounds like waste of time.

If you had even a passing interest in the answer, you'd use google like I just did. I could post links to research, but you won't read them. People on these forums generally don't.

I could give you the answer, but you'd reply with another question that could be answered by something found in the aforementioned links. The name of your game isn't a sincere discussion of climate change, it's shifting the burden of proof.





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(12-31-2016 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  a sincere discussion

Oh heavens no.

This is board is like a VFW, where a bunch of 70 year old white guys can complain to each other about and denigrate Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans, women, Jews, gays, queers, hippies, hipsters, young people, University professors, scientists, etc etc etc

(12-31-2016 03:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  a sincere discussion

Oh heavens no.

This is board is like a VFW, where a bunch of 70 year old white guys can complain to each other about and denigrate Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans, women, Jews, gays, queers, hippies, hipsters, young people, University professors, scientists, etc etc etc

You mean those guys that fought in Vietnam? Funny but I think they have earned the right to complain about whatever they want.

So what have you done to earn anything? Or is all your arrogance incubated in your perception of your entitlement?

(12-31-2016 03:50 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 03:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  a sincere discussion

Oh heavens no.

This is board is like a VFW, where a bunch of 70 year old white guys can complain to each other about and denigrate Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans, women, Jews, gays, queers, hippies, hipsters, young people, University professors, scientists, etc etc etc

You mean those guys that fought in Vietnam? Funny but I think they have earned the right to complain about whatever they want.

So what have you done to earn anything? Or is all your arrogance incubated in your perception of your entitlement?

Veteran status isn't a shield against criticism. If someone is a d-bag, they're a d-bag. They don't get a free pass.


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(12-31-2016 03:50 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 03:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  a sincere discussion

Oh heavens no.

This is board is like a VFW, where a bunch of 70 year old white guys can complain to each other about and denigrate Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans, women, Jews, gays, queers, hippies, hipsters, young people, University professors, scientists, etc etc etc

You mean those guys that fought in Vietnam? Funny but I think they have earned the right to complain about whatever they want.

So what have you done to earn anything? Or is all your arrogance incubated in your perception of your entitlement?

Nothing at all. Just an entitled punk.

(12-31-2016 03:50 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Funny

Discrimination and denigrating people is funny to you? Disgusting.

(12-31-2016 03:50 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I think they have earned the right to complain about whatever they want

I didn't say that anyone has no right to complain about other people. I was just comparing this place to that place.

(12-31-2016 03:50 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Or is all your arrogance incubated in your perception of your entitlement?

The only thing I think I'm entitled to is the same public services that you are, which we both pay for via taxes.

(12-31-2016 07:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Nothing at all.

More than nothing ... more than you, certainly!

(12-31-2016 07:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 03:50 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Funny

Discrimination and denigrating people is funny to you? Disgusting.

(12-31-2016 03:50 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I think they have earned the right to complain about whatever they want

I didn't say that anyone has no right to complain about other people. I was just comparing this place to that place.

(12-31-2016 03:50 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Or is all your arrogance incubated in your perception of your entitlement?

The only thing I think I'm entitled to is the same public services that you are, which we both pay for via taxes.

(12-31-2016 07:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Nothing at all.

More than nothing ... more than you, certainly!

(12-31-2016 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 11:48 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 01:15 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 12:12 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 10:13 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  I can't find the same plot with September 2016 data, so you'll have to make do with this one. Googling on a mobile phone at a mall is annoying.

Besides, it's only an inconvenience that you have to read this graph differently. The data is still there to be read.

The point is that 2012 was a local minimum, it's deceptive to pick that year and that year only to make a comparison.


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OK.

So what percentage of climate change is man-made and what percentage is just the natural change? If we stopped using all fossil fuels right now what effect would it have on the changing climate?

What percentage do you think scientists attribute to humans?

You tell me. You are the Spin Room's resident high priest of the climate change cult.

I want to know exactly how much humans contribute and the direct effect it would have if we stopped using fossil fuels right now. I mean if you are demanding that we destroy our economy switching to less efficient and far more expensive modes of energy surely you have the answers.

Sounds like waste of time.

If you had even a passing interest in the answer, you'd use google like I just did. I could post links to research, but you won't read them. People on these forums generally don't.

I could give you the answer, but you'd reply with another question that could be answered by something found in the aforementioned links. The name of your game isn't a sincere discussion of climate change, it's shifting the burden of proof.





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1) Sounds like you don't have the answer(s).
2) The name of your game is to shut down any legitimate criticism of Global Warming because you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the pro-GW science and can't handle/flat refuse to consider that the opposition is maybe, just maybe, right. You accuse others what you yourself are doing...shifting the burden of proof.

(12-31-2016 08:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 03:38 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 11:48 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 01:15 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 12:12 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  OK.

So what percentage of climate change is man-made and what percentage is just the natural change? If we stopped using all fossil fuels right now what effect would it have on the changing climate?

What percentage do you think scientists attribute to humans?

You tell me. You are the Spin Room's resident high priest of the climate change cult.

I want to know exactly how much humans contribute and the direct effect it would have if we stopped using fossil fuels right now. I mean if you are demanding that we destroy our economy switching to less efficient and far more expensive modes of energy surely you have the answers.

Sounds like waste of time.

If you had even a passing interest in the answer, you'd use google like I just did. I could post links to research, but you won't read them. People on these forums generally don't.

I could give you the answer, but you'd reply with another question that could be answered by something found in the aforementioned links. The name of your game isn't a sincere discussion of climate change, it's shifting the burden of proof.





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1) Sounds like you don't have the answer(s).
2) The name of your game is to shut down any legitimate criticism of Global Warming because you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the pro-GW science and can't handle/flat refuse to consider that the opposition is maybe, just maybe, right. You accuse others what you yourself are doing...shifting the burden of proof.

It took me 30 seconds to find the answer to the first part of his question. It's not hard, you could look yourself.


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(12-31-2016 03:20 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 02:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  In 21 days we replace the income redistribution crew with reasonable adults.

So you want to watch the world burn while Trump is in office??

(12-31-2016 02:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I bet you have Magda Goebbels picture on your wall.

Of course not, I have several friends who are Jewish. I prefer them at times to Christians.


But getting away from your ad homs and back to the point: let's take a moment to go into pretend-land.

Let's say in this pretend-land that the climate isn't changing a single iota due to burning of hydrocarbons, that it was always going to change in this manner naturally.


Fossil fuel burning is still a dirty, dirty way to transfer energy into motion or heat.

Electric is better, on all fronts. Besides from being clean, electric motors are vastly more efficient than internal combustion. All that's lagging now are an abundance of cost effective, clean electric generators and cost effective, clean electric storage.

We'll get there, soon enough.


Crude oil, propane, natural gas, gasoline ... these will all be in museums, one day.

Some Christians think they're better than everyone else in the world because they believe some guy from the middle east is the son of god, or something like that.
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You would probably think differently if Jesus had been a Palestinian. LOL

What a douchbag Libturd.