Really good article from Decourcy... I'm posting it here because there is a ton of talk about UC in it and many of the former Bearcat players that he achieved much of his success with.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...um=twitter

HOF

(12-15-2016 09:40 AM)doss2 Wrote:  HOF

Easily. Huggs has just been damn good wherever he's been. How many people, much less coaches, can say that about their career?

He does make the HOF because of number of wins. But two Final Fours in 37 years of coaching?

Here are coaches with multiple Final Fours. How may are HOF worthy?

12 Mike Krzyzewski
12 John Wooden
11 Dean Smith
8 Roy Williams
7 Tom Izzo
7 Rick Pitino
6 Denny Crum
6 Adolph Rupp
5 Jim Boeheim
5 Bob Knight
5 Guy Lewis
5 Lute Olson
4 Jim Calhoun
4 John Calipari
4 Billy Donovan
4 Jack Gardner
4 Henry Iba
4 Harold Olsen
4 Jerry Tarkanian
4 Fred Taylor
3 Phog Allen
3 Forddy Anderson
3 Vic Bubas
3 Harry Combes
3 Joe B. Hall
3 Ben Howland
3 Ed Jucker
3 Nolan Richardson
3 Eddie Sutton
3 John Thompson
3 Phil Woolpert
2 Gene Bartow
2 Dale Brown
2 Larry Brown
2 Bruce Drake
2 Hugh Durham
2 Slats Gill
2 Bill Guthridge
2 Bill Henderson
2 Lou Henson
2 Terry Holland
2 Nat Holman
2 Bob Huggins
2 Doggie Julian
2 Lon Kruger
2 Harry Litwack
2 Ken Loeffler
2 Thad Matta
2 Branch McCracken
2 Al McGuire
2 Frank McGuire
2 Ray Meyer
2 Pete Newell
2 Bucky O'Connor
2 Ted Owens
2 Lee Rose
2 Bo Ryan
2 Bill Self
2 George Smith
2 Brad Stevens
2 Dave Strack
2 Gary Williams
2 Tex Winter
2 Jay Wright

Quote:But two Final Fours in 37 years of coaching?

As your list shows, even that is tough to do. There are a lot of coaches that don't have any.

(12-15-2016 10:21 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  He does make the HOF because of number of wins. But two Final Fours in 37 years of coaching?

Here are coaches with multiple Final Fours. How may are HOF worthy?

12 Mike Krzyzewski
12 John Wooden
11 Dean Smith
8 Roy Williams
7 Tom Izzo
7 Rick Pitino
6 Denny Crum
6 Adolph Rupp
5 Jim Boeheim
5 Bob Knight
5 Guy Lewis
5 Lute Olson
4 Jim Calhoun
4 John Calipari
4 Billy Donovan
4 Jack Gardner
4 Henry Iba
4 Harold Olsen
4 Jerry Tarkanian
4 Fred Taylor
3 Phog Allen
3 Forddy Anderson
3 Vic Bubas
3 Harry Combes
3 Joe B. Hall
3 Ben Howland
3 Ed Jucker
3 Nolan Richardson
3 Eddie Sutton
3 John Thompson
3 Phil Woolpert
2 Gene Bartow
2 Dale Brown
2 Larry Brown
2 Bruce Drake
2 Hugh Durham
2 Slats Gill
2 Bill Guthridge
2 Bill Henderson
2 Lou Henson
2 Terry Holland
2 Nat Holman
2 Bob Huggins
2 Doggie Julian
2 Lon Kruger
2 Harry Litwack
2 Ken Loeffler
2 Thad Matta
2 Branch McCracken
2 Al McGuire
2 Frank McGuire
2 Ray Meyer
2 Pete Newell
2 Bucky O'Connor
2 Ted Owens
2 Lee Rose
2 Bo Ryan
2 Bill Self
2 George Smith
2 Brad Stevens
2 Dave Strack
2 Gary Williams
2 Tex Winter
2 Jay Wright

Valid criticism, but I'd also point out that much of that list consists of guys that coached at blue blood programs. Heck of a lot easier, IMHO, to recruit top talent at places like Duke, UNC, UK and UCLA. Of course, the counterargument is that it's a heck of a lot easier to rack up 800 victories with CUSA and Great Midwest competition.

Dam that is a lot of wins, Congrats Huggs.

Valid criticism, but I'd also point out that much of that list consists of guys that coached at blue blood programs. Heck of a lot easier, IMHO, to recruit top talent at places like Duke, UNC, UK and UCLA. Of course, the counterargument is that it's a heck of a lot easier to rack up 800 victories with CUSA and Great Midwest competition

There were a lot of good teams in Metro/Great Midwest/CUSA
Ville, Memphis, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, UNCC etc.

Bearcats have three coaches with 2 or more; only a few schools can match or beat that.

(12-15-2016 11:39 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Dam that is a lot of wins, Congrats Huggs.

Valid criticism, but I'd also point out that much of that list consists of guys that coached at blue blood programs. Heck of a lot easier, IMHO, to recruit top talent at places like Duke, UNC, UK and UCLA. Of course, the counterargument is that it's a heck of a lot easier to rack up 800 victories with CUSA and Great Midwest competition

There were a lot of good teams in Metro/Great Midwest/CUSA
Ville, Memphis, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, UNCC etc.

Yeah, I don't disagree. But outside of those teams there were a lot of easy wins. Not necessarily the case in leagues like the Big East, ACC, etc... Just playing devil's advocate.

(12-15-2016 11:49 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  Bearcats have three coaches with 2 or more; only a few schools can match or beat that.

You mean Doggie Julian is not going to make the Hall of Fame?!

Not many college coaches without a ring are in the HOF (I think it's just Pete Carill, Lou Carnesecca, and John Chaney). I hope Huggs gets it, and I think he should, but I wouldn't call it a cinch.

(12-15-2016 02:32 PM)levydl Wrote:  Not many college coaches without a ring are in the HOF (I think it's just Pete Carill, Lou Carnesecca, and John Chaney). I hope Huggs gets it, and I think he should, but I wouldn't call it a cinch.

Are we talking Naismith or NCB Hall of Fame? Naismith is pretty selective. NCB has plenty of guys that didn't win a national title. Heck, I believe Lefty Driesell is an inductee and he never made it to a final four. If guys like Driesell and Eddie Sutton are in, Huggins has to be in.

Good luck coach huggs... there were a lot of lean years before his arrival. he made UC relevant again.

(12-15-2016 03:26 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 02:32 PM)levydl Wrote:  Not many college coaches without a ring are in the HOF (I think it's just Pete Carill, Lou Carnesecca, and John Chaney). I hope Huggs gets it, and I think he should, but I wouldn't call it a cinch.

Are we talking Naismith or NCB Hall of Fame? Naismith is pretty selective. NCB has plenty of guys that didn't win a national title. Heck, I believe Lefty Driesell is an inductee and he never made it to a final four. If guys like Driesell and Eddie Sutton are in, Huggins has to be in.

I meant Naismith. I didn't even remember that they started the other one. You're right that he'll assuredly get into that.

(12-15-2016 10:21 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  He does make the HOF because of number of wins. But two Final Fours in 37 years of coaching?

What's the ratio of multiple final four coaches to all DI coaches since the inception of the NCAA?

(12-15-2016 04:51 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 10:21 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  He does make the HOF because of number of wins. But two Final Fours in 37 years of coaching?

What's the ratio of multiple final four coaches to all DI coaches since the inception of the NCAA?

Arguably did it with less talent than any other coach that's been to multiple FF's. And the time he did have the best talent in the country it was stolen from him...

Good luck Coach Huggs. Say what you want, but Bob is probably the second most iconic Bearcat athlete/coach in our history. I don't know what the count is , but I am pretty sure Calipari and K have had more McDonalds AA's in one class than Huggs has had in over 30 years of his career. Yet he has a winning record against both coaches.

(12-15-2016 07:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  Good luck Coach Huggs. Say what you want, but Bob is probably the second most iconic Bearcat athlete/coach in our history. I don't know what the count is , but I am pretty sure Calipari and K have had more McDonalds AA's in one class than Huggs has had in over 30 years of his career. Yet he has a winning record against both coaches.

I'm among the biggest Huggs admirers you'll find but I think he's a clear third behind the Big O and Ed Jucker. Jucker had a three years stretch with two national championships and a runner up. IIRC he still might have the best winning percentage in the NCAA tournament. His career winning percentage was .801. He was the original architect of the tough, defense first brand of basketball UC's always been known for. Not only that, he recruited Sandy Koufax to UC.

(12-15-2016 09:16 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  Good luck Coach Huggs. Say what you want, but Bob is probably the second most iconic Bearcat athlete/coach in our history. I don't know what the count is , but I am pretty sure Calipari and K have had more McDonalds AA's in one class than Huggs has had in over 30 years of his career. Yet he has a winning record against both coaches.

I'm among the biggest Huggs admirers you'll find but I think he's a clear third behind the Big O and Ed Jucker. Jucker had a three years stretch with two national championships and a runner up. IIRC he still might have the best winning percentage in the NCAA tournament. His career winning percentage was .801. He was the original architect of the tough, defense first brand of basketball UC's always been known for. Not only that, he recruited Sandy Koufax to UC.

I don't disagree that Jucker was incredible in his short stint. For that matter George Smith for recruiting Oscar as well as the rosters for the back to back title teams.

However, I still think Huggins is way more recognized as related to UC than Jucker.

(12-15-2016 09:36 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:16 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 07:59 PM)jarr Wrote:  Good luck Coach Huggs. Say what you want, but Bob is probably the second most iconic Bearcat athlete/coach in our history. I don't know what the count is , but I am pretty sure Calipari and K have had more McDonalds AA's in one class than Huggs has had in over 30 years of his career. Yet he has a winning record against both coaches.

I'm among the biggest Huggs admirers you'll find but I think he's a clear third behind the Big O and Ed Jucker. Jucker had a three years stretch with two national championships and a runner up. IIRC he still might have the best winning percentage in the NCAA tournament. His career winning percentage was .801. He was the original architect of the tough, defense first brand of basketball UC's always been known for. Not only that, he recruited Sandy Koufax to UC.

I don't disagree that Jucker wasn't incredible in his short stint. For that matter George Smith for recruiting Oscar as well as the rosters for the back to back title teams.

However, I still think Huggins is way more recognized as related to UC than Jucker.

I won't discount Smith's accomplishments, but Jucker completely transformed the program. He turned an up tempo, high scoring squad that couldn't reach the promised land into a blue collar, defense oriented team that dominated college basketball. All a matter of opinion in the end. UC has been blessed with some fantastic coaches.