(12-14-2016 05:31 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I would say there are Solidly more clues that Navy wouldn't have, than would have.

Yes, overwhelmingly so. The CFP told us as much, via their previous rankings. After they beat UL, Houston, with two losses, did squeak past unbeaten WMU by one position, but only after having posted big decisive wins over two major P5 powers.

Navy had nothing like that on their resume so it would have taken divine intervention for the CFP to move them past WMU.

(12-13-2016 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  you were still profoundly wrong about Navy and the CFP, and proven so

Navy losing means that neither side of the G5 Access prediction argument was proven or disproven. That's as objective as it gets, in philosophy.

(12-13-2016 05:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Whereas all my predictions were 100% confirmed.

Except the one where you predicted that WMU would get the Access slot even if Navy won out. That was not proven.

We'll just keep doing this until the thread is locked.

(12-14-2016 01:27 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  We'll just keep doing this until the thread is locked.

You can keep posting forever, it won't change the fact that your CFP prediction re Navy was proven decisively as dead wrong.

(12-14-2016 01:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  You can keep posting forever

You can keep posting forever, it won't change the fact that Navy losing means that neither side was "proven" or "disproven".

I haven't seen this teenage girl level of vindictiveness since H2 posted on here.

You can keep posting forever, it won't change the fact that your CFP prediction re Navy was proven decisively as dead wrong.

Nothing was proven....

You see to prove something, the scenario in doubt actually has to happen.....

We had folks 1st 2 years saying a non conference champion could never make the playoff. Well that scenario never took place with a viable option. Now this year it did, and voila.

(12-14-2016 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:19 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Navy losing means that neither side of the G5 Access prediction argument was proven or disproven.

No matter how many times you reply, and no matter what words you post, you were still profoundly wrong about Navy and the CFP, and proven so.

Whereas all my predictions were 100% confirmed.

dude when Navy lost, everything went out the door.

The only thing that went out the door was your DUMB prediction about the CFP and Navy.

Next time, adopt a humble attitude, recognize that others understood how the CFP viewed Navy much better than you, and keep quiet.

You have NO ******* clue how the CFP viewed Navy.

You and Bison were the clueless ones. The CFP? They gave us plenty of clues. Was 2-loss Navy ever ranked ahead of WMU? No, they weren't.

Were any 2-loss G5 ever ranked ahead of WMU? Yep, Houston.

Was Navy anything like Houston? Nope, Navy played a soft OOC schedule and performed poorly against it, Houston had a mighty OOC schedule and dominated two top-10 P5 powers.

That's really all you needed to know to correctly surmise that Navy was never going to get past WMU so long as WMU didn't lose.

But like Bison, you vastly overestimated the AAC, and so pontificated otherwise, and were proven completely wrong.

The rest of us correctly surmised that Navy's weak OOC performance indicated they weren't that good and that the CFP could see it too. Navy losing to Temple and Army proved they were pretenders all along.

Us and the CFP saw eye to eye. You were wrong about how good Navy was, and that caused you to make wrong inferences about the CFP, who like us, was smarter than you.

(12-14-2016 01:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  You can keep posting forever

You can keep posting forever, it won't change the fact that Navy losing means that neither side was "proven" or "disproven".

(12-14-2016 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Navy losing to Temple and Army proved they were pretenders all along.

Didn't prove that Navy would not have been given the G5 Access slot if they had won out!


There are no combination of words I can type to get this philosophically objective truth into your thick skull. But doesn't mean I won't prevent you from blathering your falsehood unopposed.

(12-14-2016 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  No matter how many times you reply, and no matter what words you post, you were still profoundly wrong about Navy and the CFP, and proven so.

Whereas all my predictions were 100% confirmed.

dude when Navy lost, everything went out the door.

The only thing that went out the door was your DUMB prediction about the CFP and Navy.

Next time, adopt a humble attitude, recognize that others understood how the CFP viewed Navy much better than you, and keep quiet.

You have NO ******* clue how the CFP viewed Navy.

You and Bison were the clueless ones. The CFP? They gave us plenty of clues. Was 2-loss Navy ever ranked ahead of WMU? No, they weren't.

Were any 2-loss G5 ever ranked ahead of WMU? Yep, Houston.

Was Navy anything like Houston? Nope, Navy played a soft OOC schedule and performed poorly against it, Houston had a mighty OOC schedule and dominated two top-10 P5 powers.

That's really all you needed to know to correctly surmise that Navy was never going to get past WMU so long as WMU didn't lose.

But like Bison, you vastly overestimated the AAC, and so pontificated otherwise, and were proven completely wrong.

The rest of us correctly surmised that Navy's weak OOC performance indicated they weren't that good and that the CFP could see it too. Navy losing to Temple and Army proved they were pretenders all along.

Us and the CFP saw eye to eye. You were wrong about how good Navy was, and that caused you to make wrong inferences about the CFP, who like us, was smarter than you.

You have NO clue what the CFP would have done had Navy beaten Temple and Army. . None at all.

I'd say what the CFP had as their SOS shows that it would have been VERY possible that Navy would have passed WMU. Beating Temple and Navy would have been much stronger in SOS than WMU beating Ohio. And Navy already had a big lead.

Now if you were saying that see I told you Navy wasn't that good and that they were going to lose and make it a moot point- I'd have to give it to you. But you didn't.

The more we argue with him, the more he convinces himself that he must be right and we're just trying to "trick" him into giving something up.

He's gone religious on us.

Quo is confusing what he believes should have happened with what the committee would have done.

Well either that, or he understands the distinction perfectly and just refuses to give a millimeter of wiggle room that would allow us to be credited in some manner.


Any child can understand the difference between the two positions:

1) "Navy is better than WMU, and deserves the G5 Access slot because they are a better team"
2) "If Navy wins its final two games, the CFP committee will award Navy the G5 Access slot, even if they aren't actually the better team"

Quote:Navy was the week before the CCG 2 spots behind WMU- with only Stanford between them. Navy with the win over Temple would have easily passed Stanford. WMU and Navy were BOTH behind WVU the week before the CCG. WMU passing WVU was probably just the conference champion thing at work. Navy would have done the same.

Going into the week before CCG, the final regular season game -- Navy was #25, WMU #21. Navy broke into the rankings.

Then WMU beat a greater team (Toledo) than Navy did (SMU). Many other teams LOST. 2 of the 3 teams in-between WMU & Navy, too.

So Going into the week OF the CCG -- WMU #17, Navy #19. Remember, WMU beat a stronger team. And again, Many other teams lost. It doesn't mean Navy gained ground in comparative status on WMU that week. That's where the illusion was.

(12-14-2016 05:37 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  So Going into the week OF the CCG -- WMU #17, Navy #19. Remember, WMU beat a stronger team. And again, Many other teams lost. It doesn't mean Navy gained ground in comparative status on WMU that week. That's where the illusion was.

All the same, does not prove that the CFP committee would not have put Navy ahead of WMU, had Navy won out.

Quote:All the same, does not prove that the CFP committee would not have put Navy ahead of WMU, had Navy won out.

I never said there was PROOF. Sure, any Committee, or the AP, or the Coach's poll could one week turn things upside-down with little or no backing and mildly surprise to shock everyone on any given team. My point was that the shift in the rankings didn't Mean that was happening.

In the AP & Coach's poll -- one Can see the actual shift. You don't go by the ranking position, but by the number of points.

EX: In the AP, #12 WMU is right behind #11 Colorado by 15pts, and even #10 Florida State by 18pts -- while much ahead of #13 OK-State by 71pts.

EX: In the Coaches, #14 WMU is BARELY ahead of #15 Louisville by 4pts -- while Far Behind #13 OK-State by 119pts.

You can cite previous weeks polls, computers, your grandpa's ouija board, etc. until you're blue in the face.

Only way there would've been proof would've been if Navy had won out. Then we would've seen who was right. But that was all wiped out.

(12-14-2016 02:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  dude when Navy lost, everything went out the door.

The only thing that went out the door was your DUMB prediction about the CFP and Navy.

Next time, adopt a humble attitude, recognize that others understood how the CFP viewed Navy much better than you, and keep quiet.

You have NO ******* clue how the CFP viewed Navy.

You and Bison were the clueless ones. The CFP? They gave us plenty of clues. Was 2-loss Navy ever ranked ahead of WMU? No, they weren't.

Were any 2-loss G5 ever ranked ahead of WMU? Yep, Houston.

Was Navy anything like Houston? Nope, Navy played a soft OOC schedule and performed poorly against it, Houston had a mighty OOC schedule and dominated two top-10 P5 powers.

That's really all you needed to know to correctly surmise that Navy was never going to get past WMU so long as WMU didn't lose.

But like Bison, you vastly overestimated the AAC, and so pontificated otherwise, and were proven completely wrong.

The rest of us correctly surmised that Navy's weak OOC performance indicated they weren't that good and that the CFP could see it too. Navy losing to Temple and Army proved they were pretenders all along.

Us and the CFP saw eye to eye. You were wrong about how good Navy was, and that caused you to make wrong inferences about the CFP, who like us, was smarter than you.

You have NO clue what the CFP would have done had Navy beaten Temple and Army.

Like Bison, you were proven to be completely wrong about Navy, WMU and the CFP, and nothing you can post can change that fact.

The sad thing is that you just can't admit it.