Trying to post a poll but never done it before. Bear with me.

He needs to start full time day 1. Especially with the present emotional state of the fanbase trying to decide if they are all in or not after the B12 fiasco and after a clown of a staff set us back years.

Perception is reality. We are either a program worth a staff's full time attention now or we are a backwater where we should not get all worked up over things. Been there and done that with our last guy.

It's not important. Ideal, likely yes, but not critical. They have a built in advantage recruiting wise given their current situation. We're two weeks from the Holidays and no one is around. Work starts with current guys in January other than meeting anyways.....oh yea need to cut the heating and cooling and car commercials before 2017.

(12-10-2016 11:29 AM)dsquare Wrote:  It's not important. Ideal, likely yes, but not critical. They have a built in advantage recruiting wise given their current situation. We're two weeks from the Holidays and no one is around. Work starts with current guys in January other than meeting anyways.....oh yea need to cut the heating and cooling and car commercials before 2017.

This mentality is depressing. Our competition isnt resting right now because the holidays are coming up. Theres a reason why Oregon and Baylor and Texas and pretty much everyone else wants their new coach to start right away.

If a program like Georgia had to wait a month for their coach, then I have a hard time blasting Fickell for finishing out the season.

If he was a HC going for a NC even at FCS I could accept it, but he is not even the DC. What is next, he commutes during the week and stays in Cowbus on weekends?

(12-10-2016 11:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He needs to start full time day 1. Especially with the present emotional state of the fanbase trying to decide if they are all in or not after the B12 fiasco and after a clown of a staff set us back years.

Perception is reality. We are either a program worth a staff's full time attention now or we are a backwater where we should not get all worked up over things. Been there and done that with our last guy.

I will give you that perception is reality.

But not sure if we should be concerned as much with the perception of 40 and 50 yr old guys who are getting butthurt OR the perception of 17-18 yr old recruits watching him on TV in the CFP's.

I guess if it turns people off enough they don't buy tickets/donate next year it's an issue.

Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

Question, if Fickell drops everything right this second, he has 1 day to get a head start before the dead period starts, correct? How long is the dead period? Why wouldn't we want our coach coaching at the highest level during the dead period than sitting around waiting for the dead period to be over?

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He needs to start full time day 1. Especially with the present emotional state of the fanbase trying to decide if they are all in or not after the B12 fiasco and after a clown of a staff set us back years.

Perception is reality. We are either a program worth a staff's full time attention now or we are a backwater where we should not get all worked up over things. Been there and done that with our last guy.

I will give you that perception is reality.

But not sure if we should be concerned as much with the perception of 40 and 50 yr old guys who are getting butthurt OR the perception of 17-18 yr old recruits watching him on TV in the CFP's.

I guess if it turns people off enough they don't buy tickets/donate next year it's an issue.

Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

This is basically what I'm getting at. Him stating up there helps us too. Hell, maybe we get name dropped a few times during their games.

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He needs to start full time day 1. Especially with the present emotional state of the fanbase trying to decide if they are all in or not after the B12 fiasco and after a clown of a staff set us back years.

Perception is reality. We are either a program worth a staff's full time attention now or we are a backwater where we should not get all worked up over things. Been there and done that with our last guy.

I will give you that perception is reality.

But not sure if we should be concerned as much with the perception of 40 and 50 yr old guys who are getting butthurt OR the perception of 17-18 yr old recruits watching him on TV in the CFP's.

I guess if it turns people off enough they don't buy tickets/donate next year it's an issue.

Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

They better be. Those 40 & 50 year old guys are the ones in the points of their careers with the disposable income to be the life blood of a program.

Excited 20 year olds are great but they do not fill the coffers.

(12-10-2016 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He needs to start full time day 1. Especially with the present emotional state of the fanbase trying to decide if they are all in or not after the B12 fiasco and after a clown of a staff set us back years.

Perception is reality. We are either a program worth a staff's full time attention now or we are a backwater where we should not get all worked up over things. Been there and done that with our last guy.

I will give you that perception is reality.

But not sure if we should be concerned as much with the perception of 40 and 50 yr old guys who are getting butthurt OR the perception of 17-18 yr old recruits watching him on TV in the CFP's.

I guess if it turns people off enough they don't buy tickets/donate next year it's an issue.

Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

They better be. Those 40 & 50 year old guys are the ones in the points of their careers with the disposable income to be the life blood of a program.

Excited 20 year olds are great but they do not fill the coffers.

My second point was if it turns people off to the point that they don't donate or buy tix its an issue. My guess is it won't be.
You will be coming back to Nippert if we win, right?

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  Question, if Fickell drops everything right this second, he has 1 day to get a head start before the dead period starts? How long is the dead period? Why wouldn't we want our coach coaching at the highest level during the dead period than sitting around waiting for the dead period to be over?

Because he's 100% committed to US. Again, why does everyone else insist their coach starts right away? Because it's important with signing day so close. Coaches can still make electronic contact with recruits during the dead period. So they can get to work evaluating current commits, deciding who they want to target and then reaching out to get OVs scheduled in January when theres only a precious few weekends left before signing day. Theres a ton of work to be done that a coach and his staff can get moving on without being focused on coaching a game.

(12-10-2016 11:43 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He needs to start full time day 1. Especially with the present emotional state of the fanbase trying to decide if they are all in or not after the B12 fiasco and after a clown of a staff set us back years.

Perception is reality. We are either a program worth a staff's full time attention now or we are a backwater where we should not get all worked up over things. Been there and done that with our last guy.

I will give you that perception is reality.

But not sure if we should be concerned as much with the perception of 40 and 50 yr old guys who are getting butthurt OR the perception of 17-18 yr old recruits watching him on TV in the CFP's.

I guess if it turns people off enough they don't buy tickets/donate next year it's an issue.

Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

They better be. Those 40 & 50 year old guys are the ones in the points of their careers with the disposable income to be the life blood of a program.

Excited 20 year olds are great but they do not fill the coffers.

But you will be coming back to Nippert if we win, right?

I'm already back. We got rid of the miserable clown show of a coach we had.

Now r what degree I chip in, that is up to what I see in the very near future.

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

Blue chippers - in the AAC. C'mon man.

Funny, all this so-called wisdom from someone not renewing their season tickets.

(12-10-2016 11:46 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

Blue chippers - in the AAC. C'mon man.

Funny, all this so-called wisdom from someone not renewing their season tickets.

Herman got em down at Houston. With Fickell's recruiting ties in this state, who can say he won't get some of the locals to stay home?

(12-10-2016 11:47 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:46 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

Blue chippers - in the AAC. C'mon man.

Funny, all this so-called wisdom from someone not renewing their season tickets.

Herman got em down at Houston. With Fickell's recruiting ties in this state, who can say he won't get some of the locals to stay home?

One. And Ed Oliver will be playing his last game for the Cougars in the Las Vegas bowl. Then a year sitting on the sidelines in Austin.

(12-10-2016 11:46 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:37 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Might be willing to sacrifice that in the short term to recruit Ohio better and get some blue chippers in here.

I will say I already didnt renew my season tickets but will be coming back to Clifton several times next season to see the results.

Blue chippers - in the AAC. C'mon man.

Funny, all this so-called wisdom from someone not renewing their season tickets.

And FYI, I decided not to renew my 10 yr season tickets because my boys are of the age where they are having sporting events every weekend. I admit watching crappy football instead wasn't helping.

What does my insight have to do with whether I renewed the tickets or not? Nice logic.

(12-10-2016 11:51 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  What does my insight have to do with whether I renewed the tickets or not? Nice logic.

Just like the people that complain about an election that don't vote.

(12-10-2016 11:55 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 11:51 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  What does my insight have to do with whether I renewed the tickets or not? Nice logic.

Just like the people that complain about an election that don't vote.

I donated for 10 years. I made the point to say even though I didn't personally retain my seats it wasn't due to the new coach. I will still be catching some games. Like I said, don't have the time for it anymore. Doesn't mean I am not a fan and won't be following the team.

Besides, I am not complaining- you are.

It's not like it's mutually exclusive...he can still coach OSU and burn up the phones during the dead period. It may not be the same as working full time, but I'd bet he could hold onto or flip a kid he already has a relationship with.