(12-02-2016 04:59 PM)nzmorange Wrote: What are you talking about? Honestly, read what you wrote.
"I'm talking about and continuing to scream yours even louder is not constructive... or adult."
The above quote is A) not coherent and B) has no readily apparent nexus to anything that I wrote.
Maybe because that's once again not what I said. But you're proving what I said to be true. What I said was:
continuing to ignore what I'm talking about and continuing to scream yours even louder is not constructive... or adult."
and you are only proving that you aren't paying attention to my responses and just screaming about your own point.
You do it again later....
Quote:That said, your following paragraph did actually clarify your point, but it really doesn't speak to the issue. All it means is that you're drinking the Kool Aid. But that doesn't change the fact that you're picking up someone's tab.
It speaks to MY Point, just not yours.
Drinking WHAT kool aid? We seem to agree on the issue of an over-bearing and manipulative government, and just have different approaches to fixing it.
Quote:Just like I said earlier, you can really, really want a car to not be a lemon. But if it's a lemon, it's a lemon.
And just like I said, this is a horrible analogy. We're not talking about 'lemons'. We're talking about different laws for 'hybrid' lemons vs 'sedan' lemons.
Doesn't have anything to do with not wanting a car to be a lemon... merely with wanting 'all lemons to be treated equally'.
Quote:You really, really want this issue to matter because you apparently see yourself as some kind of America-loving defender of morality (although you don't seem to want to admit it).
This is the second time you've made this claim... What part of
I don't care that much about this particular issue. I actually agree with what I think you're saying and that is that the government way oversteps it boundaries. I believe this 110%.
or
it's far from the top of My agenda, but it's also not a particularly politically divisive one either.....
I'd be very happy for the government to not be involved at all in things like this...
is not clear to you or comes across as it being a big deal?
Once again you ignore what i write in favor of things you want to scream.
Quote:And it's not that I'm above the fight. Quite to the contrary, I'm the one fighting the fight. You're the one who is getting lost on the way to the battle.
Once again, you ignore what I say... to make matters worse, you accuse me of being a 'warrior' of some sort, as if it's a bad thing, yet you also claim to be one here yourself.
I've tried your way. IMO it doesn't work. If you think my way doesn't work either, that's fine. That doesn't prove that it doesn't... It's just your opinion.
And I never said you were above the fight over the issue, I said you are trying to be above 'the debate'... which is precisely what you're doing by ignoring what I say and continuing to spout demonstrably untrue comments about 'what I believe'.
It's as if you think that continuing to accuse me of caring that much about burning of a flag over my repeated corrections is constructive debate. You may as well say "I know you are but what am I?"
It's not about the flag/cars that are lemons. It's about whether people (hybrids or sedans using your example) are treated equally under the (lemon) law or not.
Let me make it MORE clear.
Make it so that calling someone 'gay' or 'the n word' or refusing to cater their wedding is offensive/insulting, but not a hate crime or a defense to assault and I could care less if you burn a flag. What I don't like is that this isn't currently the case. That was the essential premise of the OP. He didn't talk about burning the American flag.
Clear?
Quote:Like I said earlier in this post, Putin is using this tactic in Russia right now, and like I said in an earlier post, the Romans used it thousands of years ago. This is a very old, very effective trick.
Great. When we install an Emperor or someone who leads through fear and brutality, I agree that your way will be extremely effective.
Quote:Disagreeing with me isn't what makes you wrong. Denying that you're getting screwed while you're getting screwed is what makes you wrong. If you really don't care to open your eyes, then you are ignorant. I don't know what else to say.
You might start by acknowledging that I've repeatedly said we ARE getting screwed. That would be step 1. I've repeatedly tried to agree with you on this... and you ignore me.
Quote:I also don't think that there's anything that anybody on the planet could say to change your mind, but for your own sake, think about the fact that you're getting worked up at the prospect of some over-privileged teen punk in some upscale suburb burning a piece of cloth.
Does that really sound like a real issue to you?
No, hence my 'I don't care that much about this issue' comment. Once again, you ignore what I say in favor of your false narrative.
It's not about the burning of a flag.
It's about 'equal treatment under the law'. The legality of burning of the American Flag relative to the likely 'hate crime' charge of burning a 'rainbow' flag suggested by the OP is what I'm talking about.... or the fact that beating someone up for calling you a name might be a defense to assault, IF the name were on a special list. Even that isn't the 'issue'... they are merely examples of 'the issue'. THE ISSUE is equal treatment under the law... which is important enough that there are probably a dozen references to it in the Constitution.
If you don't care about THAT, then feel free to stop responding. Nobody is putting a gun to your head...
If you just want to keep pretending that I'm all worked up about flag burning, then I'll stop responding.