(11-30-2016 12:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UNA had a record enrollment this fall, the highest it had been since Fall 2007:

https://www.una.edu/research/Institution...update.pdf


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This

They've done a pretty good job bringing up enrollment.

I posted about this at length before.

At one point enrollment dipped to below 5500 but it is now solidly in the high 6s, once the usual few drop off for the coming spring.

They still have the usual problems with raising money, staff, and facilities but those shouldn't be big enough to stop them from making the move.

(11-30-2016 12:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  As if the conference was turning away members left and right. They added Stony Brook and Monmouth, for cripes sake. They'd fall over themselves to get a program like UNA.

Yes and no. "Yes" if they don't care how many scholarships the teams offer, like Patriot, and "no" if they do. I don't know if the conference forced a number onto Campbell to leave Pioneer for BSF. I mean, it makes sense to go to the max, given you can get body-bag games with FBS schools, but you don't need to.

Actually, I get the impression that, as Stetson and Jacksonville aren't rushing in, maybe BSF *is* demanding a standard. That's not an easy call to make given the number of scholarships and Title IX counters, and the staffing upkeep for those.

(11-30-2016 02:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 07:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is something I posted a few weeks ago that expect and invite to the ASun for North Alabama and football for the Big South.

And no, we do not have enough D1 football right now. D2 is overflowing with football schools right now with Davenport moving up from NAIA. Other NAIA schools could be applying in the future for D2 that have football. People sandblasted me for saying that North Alabama would get an invite. Now look at who have to eat crow.

http://www.timesdaily.com/sports/una_spo...5796f.html

Article from a couple of days ago.

You don't get blasted for talking about UNA moving up, which has been rumored and discussed for years. You get blasted for including half of D2 and large swaths of D3 and NAIA when anything resembling D1 expansion comes up.

No. It is rumors and talks about these schools. A lot of schools hinted that they are looking into upgrading to D1. They are possible targets for realignment talks. What is this section called? Realignment is part of the discussion.

First they have to receive an Official Invite from a D1 Conference

Then the North Alabama Board of Trustees will vote to accept or reject.

If accepted, the school has the notify the D2 Gulf South Conference at least 13 months prior to July 1st.
So that would at least be by May 31.that the upcoming season would be their last in the GSC.

If not by then they would be required to stay in the GSC for another season.

(if receive an invite and notify the GSC by May 31, 2017 then the following would be the timeline.

Exploratory Year - 2017-2018 D2 Member eligible for all D2 Championships and Awards.
Transition Year 1 - 2018-2019 Not eligible for D2, but can schedule both D2 and D1.
Transition Year 2 - 2019-2020 Can Only schedule D1
Transition Year 3 - 2020 -2021 Can only schedule D1
Transition Year 4 - 2021-2022 Can only schedule D1
Year - 2022-2023 - Full D1 Member and Eligible for all Champioships.
(That is if all the previous Transition Years were successful according to the NCAA)

(11-30-2016 07:09 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  First they have to receive an Official Invite from a D1 Conference

Then the North Alabama Board of Trustees will vote to accept or reject.

If accepted, the school has the notify the D2 Gulf South Conference at least 13 months prior to July 1st.
So that would at least be by May 31.that the upcoming season would be their last in the GSC.

If not by then they would be required to stay in the GSC for another season.

(if receive an invite and notify the GSC by May 31, 2017 then the following would be the timeline.

Exploratory Year - 2017-2018 D2 Member eligible for all D2 Championships and Awards.
Transition Year 1 - 2018-2019 Not eligible for D2, but can schedule both D2 and D1.
Transition Year 2 - 2019-2020 Can Only schedule D1
Transition Year 3 - 2020 -2021 Can only schedule D1
Transition Year 4 - 2021-2022 Can only schedule D1
Year - 2022-2023 - Full D1 Member and Eligible for all Champioships.
(That is if all the previous Transition Years were successful according to the NCAA)

I do think there are some by-laws for schools transitioning to D1 could be accepted in post season tournaments. Grand Canyon got an invite last year for a lesser men's basketball championship. If North Alabama do win the A-Sun's men's basketball, they could get an invite to a smaller tournament like Grand Canyon U. did. UNA does have history playing against FBS schools in the past. They were the last D2 school that beat a FBS team.

This is from two years ago:

http://www.news-press.com/story/sports/c.../15714075/


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There were several on here who said una would or could not move up. Lets hear a role call of those know it alls.

(11-30-2016 02:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Ask Wake Forest?

Wake is a private school that has been part of a conference for a long, long time.

I have a question. I know that in order for a FCS school to move to FBS they have to have an invitation from an FBS conference. Does it work the same way with div. 2 moving up to FCS? I should probably know this but I've never seen it discussed. When ODU restarted football in 2009, being a CAA member conference invitation was never in doubt.

Yes. Same with D2. You have to have an invite from a conference to be accepted. I think D3 does the same as well. Dean College just got accepted to D3 this year and already had a conference lined up this year for them to get accepted. They are moving from NJCAA to D3 and joining Alfred State in the same conference.

Cumberland Tennessee and Campbellsville do have a standing invite for the GMAC in D2.

(11-30-2016 02:49 PM)chess Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UNA had a record enrollment this fall, the highest it had been since Fall 2007:

https://www.una.edu/research/Institution...update.pdf


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Why would a school with an enrollment of 7,500 students play Division 1 football? Good grief.

Charleston Southern, who was in the same league as North Alabama will be, has 3,600 now. It was in the 2,500 range when it moved to 1-AA in the 90s. Wofford has even fewer than that. Big difference with FCS and FBS.

(11-30-2016 02:49 PM)chess Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UNA had a record enrollment this fall, the highest it had been since Fall 2007:

https://www.una.edu/research/Institution...update.pdf


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Why would a school with an enrollment of 7,500 students play Division 1 football? Good grief.

Furman is about half of that size (enrollment 2,630) & plays D1 football. I think you're thinking of FBS, but Rice has an enrollment of 3, 879 & Tulsa has an enrollment of 4,100 and both play FBS.

(12-01-2016 01:03 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 02:49 PM)chess Wrote:  [quote='chargeradio' pid='13850575' dateline='1480527246']
UNA had a record enrollment this fall, the highest it had been since Fall 2007:

https://www.una.edu/research/Institution...update.pdf


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Why would a school with an enrollment of 7,500 students play Division 1 football? Good grief.

My guess - looking at the enrollment link, I see that they're experiencing declining male enrollment. They went from 44% male to 40% male in 7 years. Their enrollment recovery in the last few years was almost 100% females.

That's huge, and if it continues it will affect all sorts of services on campus, as well as quality of life. Adding D1 football might help reverse this trend.

(12-01-2016 01:31 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  My guess - looking at the enrollment link, I see that they're experiencing declining male enrollment. They went from 44% male to 40% male in 7 years. Their enrollment recovery in the last few years was almost 100% females.

That's huge, and if it continues it will affect all sorts of services on campus, as well as quality of life. Adding D1 football might help reverse this trend.

If UNA does have to add another women's sport or two, it will be in the perfect conference to do so, as the Atlantic Sun is one of the first to sponsor beach volleyball, and also sponsor women's lacrosse.

It may even be possible that UNA could still increase scholarships to male athletes without having to fully fund those sports due to the Division I transition. As the enrollment balances over time UNA can move to the Division I maximum.





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(11-30-2016 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 02:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 07:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is something I posted a few weeks ago that expect and invite to the ASun for North Alabama and football for the Big South.

And no, we do not have enough D1 football right now. D2 is overflowing with football schools right now with Davenport moving up from NAIA. Other NAIA schools could be applying in the future for D2 that have football. People sandblasted me for saying that North Alabama would get an invite. Now look at who have to eat crow.

http://www.timesdaily.com/sports/una_spo...5796f.html

Article from a couple of days ago.

You don't get blasted for talking about UNA moving up, which has been rumored and discussed for years. You get blasted for including half of D2 and large swaths of D3 and NAIA when anything resembling D1 expansion comes up.

No. It is rumors and talks about these schools. A lot of schools hinted that they are looking into upgrading to D1. They are possible targets for realignment talks. What is this section called? Realignment is part of the discussion.

But there's a big difference between schools that have been open about their ambitions, like UC San Diego and Merrimack, and unilaterally elevating every D2 with a football stadium that can theoretically seat 12,000, or expecting non-football/non-scholarship D1s to add the sport and move to FBS because some students started a Facebook page supporting the move.

I mean, you do you and don't let anyone stop you, but at the same time when you're advocating schools like Mary, South Dakota Mines and Arizona Christian to D1 and Colorado State-Pueblo, West Texas A&M, Long Beach State, Dayton and VCU to FBS, well, people are going to point out the absurdity of it all. Them's the rules.

(11-30-2016 07:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 07:09 PM)North Ala Supporter Wrote:  First they have to receive an Official Invite from a D1 Conference

Then the North Alabama Board of Trustees will vote to accept or reject.

If accepted, the school has the notify the D2 Gulf South Conference at least 13 months prior to July 1st.
So that would at least be by May 31.that the upcoming season would be their last in the GSC.

If not by then they would be required to stay in the GSC for another season.

(if receive an invite and notify the GSC by May 31, 2017 then the following would be the timeline.

Exploratory Year - 2017-2018 D2 Member eligible for all D2 Championships and Awards.
Transition Year 1 - 2018-2019 Not eligible for D2, but can schedule both D2 and D1.
Transition Year 2 - 2019-2020 Can Only schedule D1
Transition Year 3 - 2020 -2021 Can only schedule D1
Transition Year 4 - 2021-2022 Can only schedule D1
Year - 2022-2023 - Full D1 Member and Eligible for all Champioships.
(That is if all the previous Transition Years were successful according to the NCAA)

I do think there are some by-laws for schools transitioning to D1 could be accepted in post season tournaments. Grand Canyon got an invite last year for a lesser men's basketball championship. If North Alabama do win the A-Sun's men's basketball, they could get an invite to a smaller tournament like Grand Canyon U. did. UNA does have history playing against FBS schools in the past. They were the last D2 school that beat a FBS team.

Not NCAA-sanctioned tournaments. Grand Canyon can be invited to the CIT and CBI (and I guess the Vegas 16 if that thing's still going to happen), but no NCAA or NIT until they complete the D1 transition. It's not a bylaw that allows them to enter those tournaments, it's that the rule about transitioning doesn't cover them.

(12-01-2016 01:03 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 02:49 PM)chess Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UNA had a record enrollment this fall, the highest it had been since Fall 2007:

https://www.una.edu/research/Institution...update.pdf


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Why would a school with an enrollment of 7,500 students play Division 1 football? Good grief.

Furman is about half of that size (enrollment 2,630) & plays D1 football. I think you're thinking of FBS, but Rice has an enrollment of 3, 879 & Tulsa has an enrollment of 4,100 and both play FBS.

But those are private schools with huge endowments. The calculus is different for public schools.

(12-01-2016 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 02:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 07:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is something I posted a few weeks ago that expect and invite to the ASun for North Alabama and football for the Big South.

And no, we do not have enough D1 football right now. D2 is overflowing with football schools right now with Davenport moving up from NAIA. Other NAIA schools could be applying in the future for D2 that have football. People sandblasted me for saying that North Alabama would get an invite. Now look at who have to eat crow.

http://www.timesdaily.com/sports/una_spo...5796f.html

Article from a couple of days ago.

You don't get blasted for talking about UNA moving up, which has been rumored and discussed for years. You get blasted for including half of D2 and large swaths of D3 and NAIA when anything resembling D1 expansion comes up.

No. It is rumors and talks about these schools. A lot of schools hinted that they are looking into upgrading to D1. They are possible targets for realignment talks. What is this section called? Realignment is part of the discussion.

But there's a big difference between schools that have been open about their ambitions, like UC San Diego and Merrimack, and unilaterally elevating every D2 with a football stadium that can theoretically seat 12,000, or expecting non-football/non-scholarship D1s to add the sport and move to FBS because some students started a Facebook page supporting the move.

I mean, you do you and don't let anyone stop you, but at the same time when you're advocating schools like Mary, South Dakota Mines and Arizona Christian to D1 and Colorado State-Pueblo, West Texas A&M, Long Beach State, Dayton and VCU to FBS, well, people are going to point out the absurdity of it all. Them's the rules.

For West Texas A&M? They were a former FBS school, but some experts thinking that their goal of building a 22,000 seat stadium speaks that they are targeting FBS. They used to be conference mates in the Border Conference with Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, UTEP, Texas Tech, New Mexico and New Mexico State. They do have history playing at the top level, and do have a 20,000 seat stadium big enough to be FBS. They could easily team up with New Mexico State, and FBS schools in the area would not mine a school outside of Amarillo to be at the top level.

(12-01-2016 06:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 02:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 07:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is something I posted a few weeks ago that expect and invite to the ASun for North Alabama and football for the Big South.

And no, we do not have enough D1 football right now. D2 is overflowing with football schools right now with Davenport moving up from NAIA. Other NAIA schools could be applying in the future for D2 that have football. People sandblasted me for saying that North Alabama would get an invite. Now look at who have to eat crow.

http://www.timesdaily.com/sports/una_spo...5796f.html

Article from a couple of days ago.

You don't get blasted for talking about UNA moving up, which has been rumored and discussed for years. You get blasted for including half of D2 and large swaths of D3 and NAIA when anything resembling D1 expansion comes up.

No. It is rumors and talks about these schools. A lot of schools hinted that they are looking into upgrading to D1. They are possible targets for realignment talks. What is this section called? Realignment is part of the discussion.

But there's a big difference between schools that have been open about their ambitions, like UC San Diego and Merrimack, and unilaterally elevating every D2 with a football stadium that can theoretically seat 12,000, or expecting non-football/non-scholarship D1s to add the sport and move to FBS because some students started a Facebook page supporting the move.

I mean, you do you and don't let anyone stop you, but at the same time when you're advocating schools like Mary, South Dakota Mines and Arizona Christian to D1 and Colorado State-Pueblo, West Texas A&M, Long Beach State, Dayton and VCU to FBS, well, people are going to point out the absurdity of it all. Them's the rules.

For West Texas A&M? They were a former FBS school, but some experts thinking that their goal of building a 22,000 seat stadium speaks that they are targeting FBS. They used to be conference mates in the Border Conference with Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, UTEP, Texas Tech, New Mexico and New Mexico State. They do have history playing at the top level, and do have a 20,000 seat stadium big enough to be FBS. They could easily team up with New Mexico State, and FBS schools in the area would not mine a school outside of Amarillo to be at the top level.

It is unrealistic to project a DII team to anything BUT FCS. Even if West Texas A&M wanted FBS, they would first have to find a DI conference to invite them, play during the transition, and then get an FBS conference to invite them.

No school that I am aware of, since the split, has gone DII to FBS in such a short period.

(12-01-2016 06:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 05:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 02:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 07:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is something I posted a few weeks ago that expect and invite to the ASun for North Alabama and football for the Big South.

And no, we do not have enough D1 football right now. D2 is overflowing with football schools right now with Davenport moving up from NAIA. Other NAIA schools could be applying in the future for D2 that have football. People sandblasted me for saying that North Alabama would get an invite. Now look at who have to eat crow.

http://www.timesdaily.com/sports/una_spo...5796f.html

Article from a couple of days ago.

You don't get blasted for talking about UNA moving up, which has been rumored and discussed for years. You get blasted for including half of D2 and large swaths of D3 and NAIA when anything resembling D1 expansion comes up.

No. It is rumors and talks about these schools. A lot of schools hinted that they are looking into upgrading to D1. They are possible targets for realignment talks. What is this section called? Realignment is part of the discussion.

But there's a big difference between schools that have been open about their ambitions, like UC San Diego and Merrimack, and unilaterally elevating every D2 with a football stadium that can theoretically seat 12,000, or expecting non-football/non-scholarship D1s to add the sport and move to FBS because some students started a Facebook page supporting the move.

I mean, you do you and don't let anyone stop you, but at the same time when you're advocating schools like Mary, South Dakota Mines and Arizona Christian to D1 and Colorado State-Pueblo, West Texas A&M, Long Beach State, Dayton and VCU to FBS, well, people are going to point out the absurdity of it all. Them's the rules.

For West Texas A&M? They were a former FBS school, but some experts thinking that their goal of building a 22,000 seat stadium speaks that they are targeting FBS. They used to be conference mates in the Border Conference with Arizona, Arizona State, Northern Arizona, UTEP, Texas Tech, New Mexico and New Mexico State. They do have history playing at the top level, and do have a 20,000 seat stadium big enough to be FBS. They could easily team up with New Mexico State, and FBS schools in the area would not mine a school outside of Amarillo to be at the top level.

They CANNOT EASILY join up with FBS schools. Their history is just that — history. It's no lifetime golden ticket that allows them to return to D1 no questions asked—even if they show interest, and I've seen nothing that indicates that they have. But if at some point they decide to return to Division 1, they still have to undergo the five-year D1 transition process, then undergo the FBS transition process. And that's presuming that they have a way to join FBS in the first place, which with all football conferences hanging the "no vacancy" signs from the doors, seems pretty unlikely for the foreseeable future.