(11-29-2016 01:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 12:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 09:20 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-28-2016 11:35 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  MASSEY COMPOSITE 24 NOV - 102 RANKINGS


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I think this is what bothers us. The MAC has a grand total of 2 teams in the top 40 with one at 42, after that their entire conference is in the bottom half of all the fbs. I think the question is at what point does being "undefeated " not mean the same with that type of competition? At what point does a loss or two becomes expected due to greater competition? The problem is this thinking is used against us with the p5 and not considered when compared to the g5

But .... this is the Massey Composite, which consists almost entirely of computers, and computers just crunch the numbers objectively. And WMU, despite playing all those low-rent MAC teams, is higher rated than any AAC team.

This!!! Because they win on an average of 25 points per game, they are ranked ahead of any AAC team even with a bad SOS. There are teams like Northwestern, Toledo, EMU, even NIU that have a certain ranking of 42, 55, 80. Etc whatever... Top AAC teams like Memphis, Houston, Temple etc. have losses in that range, while WMU has none. Not as many good wins... No Bad losses.

Tulsa just beat UC by 3 at home. For a fan that does predictions and looks into these games on a weekly basis... That shouldn't have happened. I still think Tulsa is great!!! Despite a poor showing this one week.... But WMU hasn't had any of those showings??? A 16 point victory on the road over Kent State maybe?

Actually NO in the case of Memphis. Worst loss is to Ole Miss @ Ole Miss, before injuries & Ole Miss is ranked #56 now (Massey) after injuries & losses but ranked #15 at the time. Other Memphis losses are USF#22, Navy#25, & Tulsa#36. With wins over AAC east champ Temple#34 & Houston#28.

Memphis won 2 games against opponents in the top 25% of the massey rankings.

WMU won ZERO.

Navy has already won 2 in the top 25%, and has a chance at one more.

WMU has won ZERO in the top 25%, and doesnt have a shot at winning one.

(11-29-2016 02:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Memphis won 2 games against opponents in the top 25% of the massey rankings.

WMU won ZERO.

Navy has already won 3 in the top 25%, and has a chance at one more.

WMU has won ZERO in the top 25%, and doesnt have a shot at winning one.

Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

You know you'd cry if undefeated Houston got jumped for the playoff by a 2 loss Colorado. You know it'd be a travesty if 2 loss Navy jumped 0 loss WMU. You can think whoever you want is better? But WMU deserves the game if they did all they could and went 13-0 and won by an average of 25ppg.

(11-29-2016 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Memphis won 2 games against opponents in the top 25% of the massey rankings.

WMU won ZERO.

Navy has already won 3 in the top 25%, and has a chance at one more.

WMU has won ZERO in the top 25%, and doesnt have a shot at winning one.

Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

(11-29-2016 04:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Memphis won 2 games against opponents in the top 25% of the massey rankings.

WMU won ZERO.

Navy has already won 3 in the top 25%, and has a chance at one more.

WMU has won ZERO in the top 25%, and doesnt have a shot at winning one.

Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

Lol you have to somehow compare when not all teams can play a 127 team round robin...and a team with 4 losses is ranked in the 40's and another team with 0 losses is in the low teens... We did it last season with a pretty tough schedule and beat another pretty tough schedule Temple... We were beat up as well? But Arkansas had 7 players get hurt against us to our 0.... IF THEY ONLY PLAYED MAC TEAMS THEY WOULD BE DEAD!!! Come on... Conditioning is as important as who you play? Injuries don't occur more frequently based on SOS. Id argue worse tacklers that hit dangerously are more prone to injuring my guys than fundamental bigger guys that play in the SEC.

(11-29-2016 07:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 04:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Memphis won 2 games against opponents in the top 25% of the massey rankings.

WMU won ZERO.

Navy has already won 3 in the top 25%, and has a chance at one more.

WMU has won ZERO in the top 25%, and doesnt have a shot at winning one.

Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

Lol you have to somehow compare when not all teams can play a 127 team round robin...and a team with 4 losses is ranked in the 40's and another team with 0 losses is in the low teens... We did it last season with a pretty tough schedule and beat another pretty tough schedule Temple... We were beat up as well? But Arkansas had 7 players get hurt against us to our 0.... IF THEY ONLY PLAYED MAC TEAMS THEY WOULD BE DEAD!!! Come on... Conditioning is as important as who you play? Injuries don't occur more frequently based on SOS. Id argue worse tacklers that hit dangerously are more prone to injuring my guys than fundamental bigger guys that play in the SEC.

The answer is simple, and comes straight from the committee; if you want to be taken seriously, then stop playing the dumpster fire teams. If your conference is a dumpster fire, then your ooc better consist of one stout p5, one decent p5, and two other fbs teams that will finish in the top half or third of all teams. U have no room on your resume for fcs when most of your conference is fcs.

(11-29-2016 01:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 01:35 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  This!!! Because they win on an average of 25 points per game, they are ranked ahead of any AAC team even with a bad SOS. There are teams like Northwestern, Toledo, EMU, even NIU that have a certain ranking of 42, 55, 80. Etc whatever... Top AAC teams like Memphis, Houston, Temple etc. have losses in that range, while WMU has none. Not as many good wins... No Bad losses.

Tulsa just beat UC by 3 at home. For a fan that does predictions and looks into these games on a weekly basis... That shouldn't have happened. I still think Tulsa is great!!! Despite a poor showing this one week.... But WMU hasn't had any of those showings??? A 16 point victory on the road over Kent State maybe?

(11-29-2016 04:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Memphis won 2 games against opponents in the top 25% of the massey rankings.

WMU won ZERO.

Navy has already won 3 in the top 25%, and has a chance at one more.

WMU has won ZERO in the top 25%, and doesnt have a shot at winning one.

Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

The bolded sentence is categorically false. I watched that entire game. It was over early. The game was 14-0 at the end of the 1st quarter and 24-7 at the half. As soon as you got close, Ole Miss pulled away again. C'mon man!

(11-29-2016 10:12 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 07:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 04:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Memphis won 2 games against opponents in the top 25% of the massey rankings.

WMU won ZERO.

Navy has already won 3 in the top 25%, and has a chance at one more.

WMU has won ZERO in the top 25%, and doesnt have a shot at winning one.

Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

Lol you have to somehow compare when not all teams can play a 127 team round robin...and a team with 4 losses is ranked in the 40's and another team with 0 losses is in the low teens... We did it last season with a pretty tough schedule and beat another pretty tough schedule Temple... We were beat up as well? But Arkansas had 7 players get hurt against us to our 0.... IF THEY ONLY PLAYED MAC TEAMS THEY WOULD BE DEAD!!! Come on... Conditioning is as important as who you play? Injuries don't occur more frequently based on SOS. Id argue worse tacklers that hit dangerously are more prone to injuring my guys than fundamental bigger guys that play in the SEC.

The answer is simple, and comes straight from the committee; if you want to be taken seriously, then stop playing the dumpster fire teams. If your conference is a dumpster fire, then your ooc better consist of one stout p5, one decent p5, and two other fbs teams that will finish in the top half or third of all teams. U have no room on your resume for fcs when most of your conference is fcs.

NORTHWESTERN WON 10 GAMES LAST SEASON!!! How is it WMU's fault they aren't great this year? Only lost to OSU by 4.... I mean that's a cherry pick but Massey still has em at 47, with the 6 losses.

(11-30-2016 12:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 10:12 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 07:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 04:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

Lol you have to somehow compare when not all teams can play a 127 team round robin...and a team with 4 losses is ranked in the 40's and another team with 0 losses is in the low teens... We did it last season with a pretty tough schedule and beat another pretty tough schedule Temple... We were beat up as well? But Arkansas had 7 players get hurt against us to our 0.... IF THEY ONLY PLAYED MAC TEAMS THEY WOULD BE DEAD!!! Come on... Conditioning is as important as who you play? Injuries don't occur more frequently based on SOS. Id argue worse tacklers that hit dangerously are more prone to injuring my guys than fundamental bigger guys that play in the SEC.

The answer is simple, and comes straight from the committee; if you want to be taken seriously, then stop playing the dumpster fire teams. If your conference is a dumpster fire, then your ooc better consist of one stout p5, one decent p5, and two other fbs teams that will finish in the top half or third of all teams. U have no room on your resume for fcs when most of your conference is fcs.

NORTHWESTERN WON 10 GAMES LAST SEASON!!! How is it WMU's fault they aren't great this year? Only lost to OSU by 4.... I mean that's a cherry pick but Massey still has em at 47, with the 6 losses.

Uh, you do realize that same Ole Miss team was the only one to give Alabama a game ? The mac has no OOC win that compares to the AAC. The one win you do have is to OSU on a crap call. Ohio and Toledo are your next best teams with one of them having a loss to Texas ST. who finished at the bottom of the funbelt. It's a weak ,weak conference .

(11-29-2016 11:57 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 04:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:27 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Memphis won 2 games against opponents in the top 25% of the massey rankings.

WMU won ZERO.

Navy has already won 3 in the top 25%, and has a chance at one more.

WMU has won ZERO in the top 25%, and doesnt have a shot at winning one.

Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

The bolded sentence is categorically false. I watched that entire game. It was over early. The game was 14-0 at the end of the 1st quarter and 24-7 at the half. As soon as you got close, Ole Miss pulled away again. C'mon man!

What's up fanhood, don't hear from you much anymore. I would love if SDSU and Memphis could somehow play in the Las Vegas Bowl or the Miami bowl. I think that game would be a blast

(11-30-2016 12:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 10:12 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 07:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 04:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 02:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Memphis also lost to Ole Miss by 20 points, while WMU has wins over 46 Northwestern and 42 Toledo... I get the SOS thing... And that's calculated into Navy's ranking!!!! That's why they are 25th!!! Navy is good! They still have a loss to 48 Air Force, and why the aren't closer to WMU!

WMU will get a chance at one in the cotton bowl probably... And if they win it still won't mean a thing to some fans out there. The same logic that the SEC and Big10 fans use on you, is what you're using on WMU. That team has talent. Corey Davis is the best receiver in college football... And I know there are some good ones out there. I've watched Zay Jones, I've watched Dede Westbrook, I've watched Trent Taylor... That guy will make plays on anyone. Just wait and see.

We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

Lol you have to somehow compare when not all teams can play a 127 team round robin...and a team with 4 losses is ranked in the 40's and another team with 0 losses is in the low teens... We did it last season with a pretty tough schedule and beat another pretty tough schedule Temple... We were beat up as well? But Arkansas had 7 players get hurt against us to our 0.... IF THEY ONLY PLAYED MAC TEAMS THEY WOULD BE DEAD!!! Come on... Conditioning is as important as who you play? Injuries don't occur more frequently based on SOS. Id argue worse tacklers that hit dangerously are more prone to injuring my guys than fundamental bigger guys that play in the SEC.

The answer is simple, and comes straight from the committee; if you want to be taken seriously, then stop playing the dumpster fire teams. If your conference is a dumpster fire, then your ooc better consist of one stout p5, one decent p5, and two other fbs teams that will finish in the top half or third of all teams. U have no room on your resume for fcs when most of your conference is fcs.

NORTHWESTERN WON 10 GAMES LAST SEASON!!! How is it WMU's fault they aren't great this year? Only lost to OSU by 4.... I mean that's a cherry pick but Massey still has em at 47, with the 6 losses.

I want you to go back and re-read very slowly what I wrote about that. But here's a summary:

When your conference is crap, your OOC schedule has to be golden. Keep in mind that some P5 teams you schedule may be good one year, and suck the next. Therefore, you CAN NOT SCHEDULE FCS AND FBS CUPCAKES in your OOC to go along with one P5 you hope is going to be decent. You need all of the good teams you can get, because your conference is crap. So, in the end, when Northwestern isnt as good as they were the previous year, you can fall back on 3 other decent teams. As it was, the other P5 team you scheduled is a perpetually crap Illinois, and they didnt disappoint again, then had an FCS team and a crap FBS team. So, you basically KNEW your conference would be crap, the FCS team in your OOC was crap, the other FBS team i nyour OOC was crap, Illinois was crap, and now you are saying its not your fault that NW was crap. Its not your fault NW was crap, but IT IS YOUR FAULT that you scheduled so poorly in your OOC that 75% of your OOC was guaranteed to be crap to go along with 90% of your conference schedule being crap.

WKU, MTSU, La Tech. Where are those teams on your schedule? How about Boise, SDSU, or Airforce. Those teams are usually decent year in and year out. THAT is what you have to schedule. No FCS for you. No crap FBS for you. Not if you want to be taken seriously.

And, in summary, thats where you find yourself. Screwed. But you screwed yourself.

(11-30-2016 12:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  NORTHWESTERN WON 10 GAMES LAST SEASON!!! How is it WMU's fault they aren't great this year? Only lost to OSU by 4.... I mean that's a cherry pick but Massey still has em at 47, with the 6 losses.

The same could be said about Navy scheduling Notre Dame, who was crap this year. Obviously the program is anything but crap normally and certainly much better then NW's program.

Unlike others on the list I'm not a fan at all with any of the polls. How do you judge regional powers (or not)? How many games does the SEC play against the P12 for example? Florida has not play a non-conference road game since 1991 and haven't won since 1989.

The SEC, as a whole, never play in cold weather, especially non-conference. How can you compare the SEC to the B10 when the weather is so different in several of the games played? It's not like basketball where weather doesn't matter.

(11-30-2016 09:47 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 10:12 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 07:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 04:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  We were in the Ole Miss game the entire time. We were also missing our star defender who tore them up the previous year. Thats what happens when you play tough opponents one week, and then have to play tough opponents again. You may be short of players.

You see, you can NEVER compare what WMU did to what Memphis did. WMU skated through a very easy schedule, and didnt have to deal with tough competition week in and week out.

Lol you have to somehow compare when not all teams can play a 127 team round robin...and a team with 4 losses is ranked in the 40's and another team with 0 losses is in the low teens... We did it last season with a pretty tough schedule and beat another pretty tough schedule Temple... We were beat up as well? But Arkansas had 7 players get hurt against us to our 0.... IF THEY ONLY PLAYED MAC TEAMS THEY WOULD BE DEAD!!! Come on... Conditioning is as important as who you play? Injuries don't occur more frequently based on SOS. Id argue worse tacklers that hit dangerously are more prone to injuring my guys than fundamental bigger guys that play in the SEC.

The answer is simple, and comes straight from the committee; if you want to be taken seriously, then stop playing the dumpster fire teams. If your conference is a dumpster fire, then your ooc better consist of one stout p5, one decent p5, and two other fbs teams that will finish in the top half or third of all teams. U have no room on your resume for fcs when most of your conference is fcs.

NORTHWESTERN WON 10 GAMES LAST SEASON!!! How is it WMU's fault they aren't great this year? Only lost to OSU by 4.... I mean that's a cherry pick but Massey still has em at 47, with the 6 losses.

I want you to go back and re-read very slowly what I wrote about that. But here's a summary:

When your conference is crap, your OOC schedule has to be golden. Keep in mind that some P5 teams you schedule may be good one year, and suck the next. Therefore, you CAN NOT SCHEDULE FCS AND FBS CUPCAKES in your OOC to go along with one P5 you hope is going to be decent. You need all of the good teams you can get, because your conference is crap. So, in the end, when Northwestern isnt as good as they were the previous year, you can fall back on 3 other decent teams. As it was, the other P5 team you scheduled is a perpetually crap Illinois, and they didnt disappoint again, then had an FCS team and a crap FBS team. So, you basically KNEW your conference would be crap, the FCS team in your OOC was crap, the other FBS team i nyour OOC was crap, Illinois was crap, and now you are saying its not your fault that NW was crap. Its not your fault NW was crap, but IT IS YOUR FAULT that you scheduled so poorly in your OOC that 75% of your OOC was guaranteed to be crap to go along with 90% of your conference schedule being crap.

WKU, MTSU, La Tech. Where are those teams on your schedule? How about Boise, SDSU, or Airforce. Those teams are usually decent year in and year out. THAT is what you have to schedule. No FCS for you. No crap FBS for you. Not if you want to be taken seriously.

And, in summary, thats where you find yourself. Screwed. But you screwed yourself.

I get the AAC is the best G5 conference this year, but unless I missed something here are your only OOC wins over G5/Ind/P5 with at least 6 wins. Miami OH - 6, NCSU - 6, OU - 9, and UL - 9. The only 2 good wins were by Houston. You can win 1 more if Navy beats a 6 win Army team.

The MAC has 5 wins over G5/Ind/P5 conference teams with at least 6 wins Army - 6, Arkansas State - 6, Wyoming - 8, Northwestern - 6, and OkSU - 9.

That would be 5 wins each. I get you are a better Conference because you have no bad losses like the MAC does, but to just say the MAC sucks and the top of the conference can't compete with other G5 conferences is ludicrous.

(11-30-2016 10:49 AM)Chibronco Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 09:47 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 12:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 10:12 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2016 07:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Lol you have to somehow compare when not all teams can play a 127 team round robin...and a team with 4 losses is ranked in the 40's and another team with 0 losses is in the low teens... We did it last season with a pretty tough schedule and beat another pretty tough schedule Temple... We were beat up as well? But Arkansas had 7 players get hurt against us to our 0.... IF THEY ONLY PLAYED MAC TEAMS THEY WOULD BE DEAD!!! Come on... Conditioning is as important as who you play? Injuries don't occur more frequently based on SOS. Id argue worse tacklers that hit dangerously are more prone to injuring my guys than fundamental bigger guys that play in the SEC.

The answer is simple, and comes straight from the committee; if you want to be taken seriously, then stop playing the dumpster fire teams. If your conference is a dumpster fire, then your ooc better consist of one stout p5, one decent p5, and two other fbs teams that will finish in the top half or third of all teams. U have no room on your resume for fcs when most of your conference is fcs.

NORTHWESTERN WON 10 GAMES LAST SEASON!!! How is it WMU's fault they aren't great this year? Only lost to OSU by 4.... I mean that's a cherry pick but Massey still has em at 47, with the 6 losses.

I want you to go back and re-read very slowly what I wrote about that. But here's a summary:

When your conference is crap, your OOC schedule has to be golden. Keep in mind that some P5 teams you schedule may be good one year, and suck the next. Therefore, you CAN NOT SCHEDULE FCS AND FBS CUPCAKES in your OOC to go along with one P5 you hope is going to be decent. You need all of the good teams you can get, because your conference is crap. So, in the end, when Northwestern isnt as good as they were the previous year, you can fall back on 3 other decent teams. As it was, the other P5 team you scheduled is a perpetually crap Illinois, and they didnt disappoint again, then had an FCS team and a crap FBS team. So, you basically KNEW your conference would be crap, the FCS team in your OOC was crap, the other FBS team i nyour OOC was crap, Illinois was crap, and now you are saying its not your fault that NW was crap. Its not your fault NW was crap, but IT IS YOUR FAULT that you scheduled so poorly in your OOC that 75% of your OOC was guaranteed to be crap to go along with 90% of your conference schedule being crap.

WKU, MTSU, La Tech. Where are those teams on your schedule? How about Boise, SDSU, or Airforce. Those teams are usually decent year in and year out. THAT is what you have to schedule. No FCS for you. No crap FBS for you. Not if you want to be taken seriously.

And, in summary, thats where you find yourself. Screwed. But you screwed yourself.

I get the AAC is the best G5 conference this year, but unless I missed something here are your only OOC wins over G5/Ind/P5 with at least 6 wins. Miami OH - 6, NCSU - 6, OU - 9, and UL - 9. The only 2 good wins were by Houston. You can win 1 more if Navy beats a 6 win Army team.

The MAC has 5 wins over G5/Ind/P5 conference teams with at least 6 wins Army - 6, Arkansas State - 6, Wyoming - 8, Northwestern - 6, and OkSU - 9.

That would be 5 wins each. I get you are a better Conference because you have no bad losses like the MAC does, but to just say the MAC sucks and the top of the conference can't compete with other G5 conferences is ludicrous.

But you have to consider conference games also. It's not an either/or, its both. And when you know the conference is weak, all the more strength has to be gained from OC scheduling. Navy beat UH who beat those teams you note as good OOC wins. Every school in the AAC west has good wins & no bad loses. The MAC, as a whole is weak in comparison. And if you believe Massey, the AAC west is stronger than the whole of the B12 & the SEC east this year as well as ND, the MWC and the rest of the midget conferences. Point is you have to schedule up to get respect - and we in the AAC know that too. Lots of P5 bias to overcome for all of us & it trickles down.

(11-30-2016 10:49 AM)Chibronco Wrote:  I get the AAC is the best G5 conference this year, but unless I missed something here are your only OOC wins over G5/Ind/P5 with at least 6 wins. Miami OH - 6, NCSU - 6, OU - 9, and UL - 9. The only 2 good wins were by Houston. You can win 1 more if Navy beats a 6 win Army team.

The MAC has 5 wins over G5/Ind/P5 conference teams with at least 6 wins Army - 6, Arkansas State - 6, Wyoming - 8, Northwestern - 6, and OkSU - 9.

That would be 5 wins each. I get you are a better Conference because you have no bad losses like the MAC does, but to just say the MAC sucks and the top of the conference can't compete with other G5 conferences is ludicrous.

It's easy to cherry pick stats but the fact remains that the top of the AAC is one of only two conferences, including P5 conferences, that have as many as 5 teams with a chance at 10 wins. Only the B10 can match that. That's strength at the top, not the 2 teams in the MAC with a chance at 10 wins, that is of course if WMU takes care of business and beats Ohio. It's not like the top of the MAC had a gauntlet to go through.

Man I just looked at the AAC's P5 wins. Coogs beat Louisville and Oklahoma which were good wins. Beyond that Quese, Purdue, NCst, Virginia, Kansas, and 4-8 Norte dame. This is what separates navy from wmu? Lol.

(11-30-2016 11:16 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Man I just looked at the AAC's P5 wins. Coogs beat Louisville and Oklahoma which were good wins. Beyond that Quese, Purdue, NCst, Virginia, Kansas, and 4-8 Norte dame. This is what separates navy from wmu? Lol.

Have to consider the conference strength too.........AAC by far the highest rated of the midgets. Massey says AAC west better than the entire B12 & the SEC east. So it's not just P5 wins......

(11-30-2016 11:18 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-30-2016 11:16 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Man I just looked at the AAC's P5 wins. Coogs beat Louisville and Oklahoma which were good wins. Beyond that Quese, Purdue, NCst, Virginia, Kansas, and 4-8 Norte dame. This is what separates navy from wmu? Lol.

Have to consider the conference strength too.........AAC by far the highest rated of the midgets. Massey says AAC west better than the entire B12 & the SEC east. So it's not just P5 wins......

You think the P5 really cares who the tallest midget is? The bias is complete agains the G5. I think the AAC and mwc would get a small bump over cusa, sun belt, and the mac but it's not the same bias the G5 feels from the P5.