(11-23-2016 01:08 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote: If you read the MWC or CUSA board, you would find that many of their fans would be thrilled to swap for Aresco.
He has helped in creation of the top G5 conference. Many fans of other conference's schools would agree with that statement.
He will get a "pay raise" for AAC schools when the contract is re-Negotiated. Schools in the conference are providing ammunition to him with media appeal. IMO, this is true while other G5 conference schools will decline in media revenue.
We have the best media exposure of the G5. On Friday, UT and TCU will be on FS1 Friday. Memphis and UH will be on ABC. Prediction: the AAC game will have greater number of viewers than the Big 12 game.
We have the best set of schools in the G5.
We have the best commissioner of any conference.
I would argue the sec, pac-12, and big 10 all have better commissioners but thats besides the point.
The point was not if he was a good commissioner or if he was a smart business man. Your preaching to the choir when you tell me everything has done and how he is better than the rest of the g5. But everything he delivered was in 2013 near the beginning.
The point was what has he done since everything you listed to justify a further raise on top of what he has made. Until he delivers on his promises i would say nothing.
Are they really better commissioners or are they simply blessed with more valuable schools and a larger stage. I'd argue the latter. Like they said, Mike Slive was never half the commissioner Aresco is when he was running CUSA. CUSA never qualified for a major bowl and never had half the exposure of the AAC when Slive ran things.
Probably a bit both honestly. As you pointed out a bad commissioner can screw it up. To maximize value you have to have both good schools and a good commissioner which c-usa never had.
Agree. The AAC schools have bought into the idea of investing in their programs to a degree that they never did while in CUSA. That's made Aresco's job easier than Slive's was during his CUSA years.
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(11-23-2016 02:42 PM)stxrunner Wrote: Aresco's success will largely depend on what he can do now that the league has established itself. With a round of negotiations coming up for the TV deal in the next few years, he will have his chance to make his mark. These next few years is what he was hired to do IMO. The league has taken a foothold, now growing it up a level is his challenge.
Getting the AAC the top G5 level exposure and getting a raise to a sustainable amount of money is the goal. The AAC should not be making less than the big east basketball only contract.
So for me, the jury is out. I'm cautiously optimistic he can get it done. But if he doesn't, then he would be an abject failure.
Thank you for finally giving an answer. I totally agree for me I'm still undecided. If he succeeded and gets the raise then awesome but if he fails he wont be our commissioner anymore.
(11-23-2016 01:08 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote: If you read the MWC or CUSA board, you would find that many of their fans would be thrilled to swap for Aresco.
He has helped in creation of the top G5 conference. Many fans of other conference's schools would agree with that statement.
He will get a "pay raise" for AAC schools when the contract is re-Negotiated. Schools in the conference are providing ammunition to him with media appeal. IMO, this is true while other G5 conference schools will decline in media revenue.
We have the best media exposure of the G5. On Friday, UT and TCU will be on FS1 Friday. Memphis and UH will be on ABC. Prediction: the AAC game will have greater number of viewers than the Big 12 game.
We have the best set of schools in the G5.
We have the best commissioner of any conference.
I would argue the sec, pac-12, and big 10 all have better commissioners but thats besides the point.
The point was not if he was a good commissioner or if he was a smart business man. Your preaching to the choir when you tell me everything has done and how he is better than the rest of the g5. But everything he delivered was in 2013 near the beginning.
The point was what has he done since everything you listed to justify a further raise on top of what he has made. Until he delivers on his promises i would say nothing.
Are they really better commissioners or are they simply blessed with more valuable schools and a larger stage. I'd argue the latter. Like they said, Mike Slive was never half the commissioner Aresco is when he was running CUSA. CUSA never qualified for a major bowl and never had half the exposure of the AAC when Slive ran things.
Probably a bit both honestly. As you pointed out a bad commissioner can screw it up. To maximize value you have to have both good schools and a good commissioner which c-usa never had.
Agree. The AAC schools have bought into the idea of investing in their programs to a degree that they never did while in CUSA. That's made Aresco's job easier than Slive's was during his CUSA years.
Exactly! Its easy to sell a league when your teams are awesome. He would have to be an idiot not to be able to sell this league.
Its when your league isn't doing well that your commissioner has to get creative which is were slive failed miserably. Aresco has yet to be tested in such a way so while i like the man I'm still undecided about him long term.
(11-22-2016 07:41 PM)wavefan12 Wrote: With the G5 bowl system, making sure the two highest possible rated AAC teams meet in the championship game. Well done. The conference will not lose out on millions with Houston still getting the opportunity to get to the New Years bowl. Mikey Aresco earning his million+ per year. Can probably take a break from all his local radio interviews.
Aresco has zero influence with the P5. However, he does get paid almost like a P5 commissioner so he has to wave his hands and make noise in the press to make us in the AAC forget he is grossly overpaid.
He's doing his job--promoting the league. Every time he mentions P6 and talks about how our teams can compete with anyone he helps us.
Every time ESPN or some media outlet mentions our league and P6 it helps us.
There is no downside to this campaign. P6 and expanding the playoff will only help our chances. We will get more money next TV deal as well.
All we want is a chance to compete with the best teams. We've shown we are capable.
First, I agree that part of his job is talking up and promoting the league. I seriously doubt any of his talk is helping us in any tangible way - we're never going to be regarded or accepted as "Power" conference. But yes, he has to talk us up anyway and he does it.
But the thing is, we could have that for half the salary he makes. He isn't doing anything to earn the P5-level salary he is getting paid. He is vastly overpaid given what he has earned for us. And to say "well, the conference blew up on him, it wasn't his fault", doesn't change that fact.
And I agree that it isn't his fault per se that he hasn't earned for us anywhere near what he's getting paid. Nobody else - not even someone like Slive or Delany - could spin gold out of our straw either. The fact is, the position of AAC commissioner isn't worth more than say, $500,000 a year, because given our institutional and structural realities, it can't produce any more than that.
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(11-22-2016 07:41 PM)wavefan12 Wrote: With the G5 bowl system, making sure the two highest possible rated AAC teams meet in the championship game. Well done. The conference will not lose out on millions with Houston still getting the opportunity to get to the New Years bowl. Mikey Aresco earning his million+ per year. Can probably take a break from all his local radio interviews.
Aresco has zero influence with the P5. However, he does get paid almost like a P5 commissioner so he has to wave his hands and make noise in the press to make us in the AAC forget he is grossly overpaid.
He's doing his job--promoting the league. Every time he mentions P6 and talks about how our teams can compete with anyone he helps us.
Every time ESPN or some media outlet mentions our league and P6 it helps us.
There is no downside to this campaign. P6 and expanding the playoff will only help our chances. We will get more money next TV deal as well.
All we want is a chance to compete with the best teams. We've shown we are capable.
What a guy, very nice of him.
He's making almost as much as every one of our schools make, fortunately he does enough radio interviews to easily pay his $1.6mm+ salary.
As to the original point, I will make it more clear, in all his wisdom he should have made sure our top two rated teams met in the championship game as now we will lose out in millions. But apologize away. It's not his fault right? I mean its not as if he is paid millions to understand the landscape. Luckily we have an amazing set of bowls and a massive TV contract.......and I know Tulane stinks, not my fault.
The league was in total disarray when the last tv contract and bowl lineups were made. I'm not sure any other commisioner could have done any better than Aresco.
Do you? If so please tell how you would've done better.
No other leagues in the history of CFB have put the two highest ranked teams in the title game. Sounds like a great idea now but separate divisional winners has always been the way it's done.
Aresco has done well with the hand he was dealt. We've gotten tremendous exposure from our tv contract which Aresco worked. We didn't get the money but we traded it for exposure. That's what we had to do at the time to get by and make the most of the situation.
Things are better now and the league's stature has grown. Now we will get a chance for a better tv contract and bowl situation. Aresco is the right man for the job.
As far as his salary- the market determines that. I have no problem with it. You've got to pay the commisioner a top salary if you want to compare yourself to the top conferences, which we do.
I think Aresco made a colossal error giving up the BIG East name, The BIG East was already a power conference , regardless of its strength. A resurgent BIG East is much easier to market than a new conference and that's why ESPN is not shelling out any dough.
(11-23-2016 08:15 PM)Acres Wrote: I think Aresco made a colossal error giving up the BIG East name, The BIG East was already a power conference , regardless of its strength. A resurgent BIG East is much easier to market than a new conference and that's why ESPN is not shelling out any dough.
The Big Least, they were the butts of many jokes. Taking the money and giving away the name was right way to go. A new league and a new start. Sorry BE brothers, but that's the truth.
No it grew because the teams performed amazingly. Pretty sure aresco doesn't play football or have any control over the teams. Do you think the tv exposer would have happened if our league played at a cusa level?
Any commissioner can get better tv exposer when your leagues teams are constantly beating P5 teams. Not to mention the tv contract is was already signed.
So once again ill ask what has aresco done since 2013? BEH says he should get a raise but for what? What has he done? Its the teams out performing the league not aresco.
As far as i can tell aresco has mostly just gotten lucky. If this league had played terribly resulting in bad tv exposer would we blame aresco?
All i have seen from hims is interviews promising things that he failed to deliver. Then more interviews promising to deliver more revenue but until that happens what has he done?
This is why the MWC has such great TV exposure, since Boise and TCU beat BCS teams all those years.
Well they had great exposure when those two teams shared the conference did they not? Kinda hard to justify it when utah and tcu left.
Recognizing sarcasm requires a certain degree of intelligence. You illustrated my point exactly.
No it grew because the teams performed amazingly. Pretty sure aresco doesn't play football or have any control over the teams. Do you think the tv exposer would have happened if our league played at a cusa level?
Any commissioner can get better tv exposer when your leagues teams are constantly beating P5 teams. Not to mention the tv contract is was already signed.
So once again ill ask what has aresco done since 2013? BEH says he should get a raise but for what? What has he done? Its the teams out performing the league not aresco.
As far as i can tell aresco has mostly just gotten lucky. If this league had played terribly resulting in bad tv exposer would we blame aresco?
All i have seen from hims is interviews promising things that he failed to deliver. Then more interviews promising to deliver more revenue but until that happens what has he done?
This is why the MWC has such great TV exposure, since Boise and TCU beat BCS teams all those years.
Well they had great exposure when those two teams shared the conference did they not? Kinda hard to justify it when utah and tcu left.
Recognizing sarcasm requires a certain degree of intelligence. You illustrated my point exactly.
ESPN and Andea Adelson in particular did everything in their power to destroy the image of the old Big East primarily because the Big East constantly had more teams in the NCAA Basketball tournament than the ACC, and continued to hold its own even after the ACC took the biggest football name the Big East ever had (Miami FL)... Glad to see Miami become irrelevant for the most part since bolting to the ACC.
No it grew because the teams performed amazingly. Pretty sure aresco doesn't play football or have any control over the teams. Do you think the tv exposer would have happened if our league played at a cusa level?
Any commissioner can get better tv exposer when your leagues teams are constantly beating P5 teams. Not to mention the tv contract is was already signed.
So once again ill ask what has aresco done since 2013? BEH says he should get a raise but for what? What has he done? Its the teams out performing the league not aresco.
As far as i can tell aresco has mostly just gotten lucky. If this league had played terribly resulting in bad tv exposer would we blame aresco?
All i have seen from hims is interviews promising things that he failed to deliver. Then more interviews promising to deliver more revenue but until that happens what has he done?
This is why the MWC has such great TV exposure, since Boise and TCU beat BCS teams all those years.
Well they had great exposure when those two teams shared the conference did they not? Kinda hard to justify it when utah and tcu left.
Recognizing sarcasm requires a certain degree of intelligence. You illustrated my point exactly.
I could tell if you were be sarcastic or condescending.
(11-22-2016 07:41 PM)wavefan12 Wrote: With the G5 bowl system, making sure the two highest possible rated AAC teams meet in the championship game. Well done. The conference will not lose out on millions with Houston still getting the opportunity to get to the New Years bowl. Mikey Aresco earning his million+ per year. Can probably take a break from all his local radio interviews.
Aresco has zero influence with the P5. However, he does get paid almost like a P5 commissioner so he has to wave his hands and make noise in the press to make us in the AAC forget he is grossly overpaid.
He's doing his job--promoting the league. Every time he mentions P6 and talks about how our teams can compete with anyone he helps us.
Every time ESPN or some media outlet mentions our league and P6 it helps us.
There is no downside to this campaign. P6 and expanding the playoff will only help our chances. We will get more money next TV deal as well.
All we want is a chance to compete with the best teams. We've shown we are capable.
What a guy, very nice of him.
He's making almost as much as every one of our schools make, fortunately he does enough radio interviews to easily pay his $1.6mm+ salary.
As to the original point, I will make it more clear, in all his wisdom he should have made sure our top two rated teams met in the championship game as now we will lose out in millions. But apologize away. It's not his fault right? I mean its not as if he is paid millions to understand the landscape. Luckily we have an amazing set of bowls and a massive TV contract.......and I know Tulane stinks, not my fault.
What do you do for a living? Do you work in business? In your world can bussiness leaders make demands and others just listen and do what they say? Aresco is only as poweful as the product he represents. Tulane has done nothing for this league except take up space. You of all fans should back off the guy.
IMO he has done a great job given the odds stacked against us.
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(11-22-2016 10:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: The interviews are the public part of his job! We aren't privy to the office work and the meetings.
So basically then as far as we know he hasn't done anything other than give interviews.
Not at all.. but you'll have to cull through the press releases and interviews yourself. Do your own homework to understand the initiatives he's been working on.
Aresco promised to keep the liberty and Russell athletic bowls and he failed. He promised to keep the pinstripe bowl and he failed. He promised we would stay at the table and he failed. He promised to create a new bowl for us and he failed. So far i have seen nothing but promises in interviews but no results.
In 2013??
LOL
He also believes puppies and kittens are evil
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(11-22-2016 10:31 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote: So basically then as far as we know he hasn't done anything other than give interviews.
Not at all.. but you'll have to cull through the press releases and interviews yourself. Do your own homework to understand the initiatives he's been working on.
Aresco promised to keep the liberty and Russell athletic bowls and he failed. He promised to keep the pinstripe bowl and he failed. He promised we would stay at the table and he failed. He promised to create a new bowl for us and he failed. So far i have seen nothing but promises in interviews but no results.
(11-23-2016 09:16 PM)AusTxPony Wrote: The Big Least, they were the butts of many jokes. Taking the money and giving away the name was right way to go. A new league and a new start. Sorry BE brothers, but that's the truth.
(Putting on Georgetown/Big East hat):
No, the truth was, the Big East was only disparaged as the "Big Least" with respect to our football. Nobody ever called Big East basketball "least". The Big East name was always very respected in basketball circles.
So when the New Big East got the Big East name, we kept the powerful basketball aspect of the name while shedding the disparaged football aspect.
And I was only referring to football and the American moniker. Big East bBall is/was fab. They deserved the name, and I am glad they left. The American is a fun league even if not geographically sane. Just wish we could get paid for our product.
(11-24-2016 02:10 PM)AusTxPony Wrote: And I was only referring to football and the American moniker. Big East bBall is/was fab. They deserved the name, and I am glad they left. The American is a fun league even if not geographically sane. Just wish we could get paid for our product.
I agree about football: Despite the wacko geography, the AAC is a fun football league.
(11-22-2016 10:35 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: Not at all.. but you'll have to cull through the press releases and interviews yourself. Do your own homework to understand the initiatives he's been working on.
Aresco promised to keep the liberty and Russell athletic bowls and he failed. He promised to keep the pinstripe bowl and he failed. He promised we would stay at the table and he failed. He promised to create a new bowl for us and he failed. So far i have seen nothing but promises in interviews but no results.
