From the article:

- Jimbo Fisher doesn’t think there’s any way the playoff stays at 4 teams, but says they’d better add scholarships if it expands.

“Eventually it's going to 8 and 16. You can bank on it. It's going to happen, and you're going to have to because it keeps it going,” Fisher said. “I'm going to say this now: You'd better add more scholarship people. You'd better put more money in your programs.

“Like us, you end up with a Florida and play a conference championship and then go play three or four playoff games against that caliber of competition and the physicality of the game and what goes on, you ain't got enough players to finish the year. You better get some five-for-fives, like a lot of these freshmen that can play the second half of the year and getting them in, and you'd better up the scholarship total.

“These young guys don't get treated like a pro guy and get treatment 10 hours a day. They've got classes and other things and are limited in what they've got to do. You're opening up another Pandora's box, which goes into what goes on. You're talking about 15, 16, 17-game schedules, which is the NFL. It's going to head that way. It's almost got to.”

http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=News...ov-15-2016

85 is already a LOT more than what you actually need (about 30 players) to actually play the game. Not sure the smaller half of the P5s will agree to giving another advantage to the bigger P5s.

That said, expanding the playoffs does require doing things differently. I'd recommend another approach, however: keeps the games at least 2 weeks apart.

1. Start the season one week earlier, so there will always be at least 2 bye weeks.
2. Consider moving the conference championship games back a week.
3. If/when the playoffs expand to 8 teams, have the first round BEFORE Christmas (2 weeks after the CGs) and play them at the higher seeds. Keep the 2nd round where they are, but delay the national championship another week.

All of this gives players more time to rest/heal.

Start the season 1 week earlier. Have a 4 team CC. Take the top 4 conference champs. This doesn't mess with the postseason at all.

(11-15-2016 09:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  85 is already a LOT more than what you actually need (about 30 players) to actually play the game. Not sure the smaller half of the P5s will agree to giving another advantage to the bigger P5s.

That said, expanding the playoffs does require doing things differently. I'd recommend another approach, however: keeps the games at least 2 weeks apart.

1. Start the season one week earlier, so there will always be at least 2 bye weeks.
2. Consider moving the conference championship games back a week.
3. If/when the playoffs expand to 8 teams, have the first round BEFORE Christmas (2 weeks after the CGs) and play them at the higher seeds. Keep the 2nd round where they are, but delay the national championship another week.

All of this gives players more time to rest/heal.

Good suggestions.

(11-15-2016 09:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

- Jimbo Fisher doesn’t think there’s any way the playoff stays at 4 teams, but says they’d better add scholarships if it expands.

“Eventually it's going to 8 and 16. You can bank on it. It's going to happen, and you're going to have to because it keeps it going,” Fisher said. “I'm going to say this now: You'd better add more scholarship people. You'd better put more money in your programs.

“Like us, you end up with a Florida and play a conference championship and then go play three or four playoff games against that caliber of competition and the physicality of the game and what goes on, you ain't got enough players to finish the year. You better get some five-for-fives, like a lot of these freshmen that can play the second half of the year and getting them in, and you'd better up the scholarship total.

“These young guys don't get treated like a pro guy and get treatment 10 hours a day. They've got classes and other things and are limited in what they've got to do. You're opening up another Pandora's box, which goes into what goes on. You're talking about 15, 16, 17-game schedules, which is the NFL. It's going to head that way. It's almost got to.”

http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=News...ov-15-2016

That seems to me to be spoken by someone who believes that football is the most important thing a university does. Football may drive the athletics bus (at least for P5 conferences), but I don't think presidents are going to let it drive the university's bus just yet.

College football doesn't have to be just like the NFL to be both entertaining and valuable to a school's mission. I hope Fisher is wrong.

Which happens first:
a) Notre Dame agrees to play a full ACC football schedule, or
b) The CFP expands to 8

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The playoff system is already at (kinda) 8 teams by way of the conference championships. There's no reason to expand the CFP to 8 teams because we'll start to see the same erosion of the regular season that we have in college basketball.

For instance, a friend of mine called this morning asking me "D, who's going to win tonight", to which my response was, "Dear, who's playing tonight?"

If ESPN is smart, they'll keep it at 4 as long as they can get away with it.

(11-15-2016 11:17 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Which happens first:
a) Notre Dame agrees to play a full ACC football schedule, or
b) The CFP expands to 8

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The playoff system is already at (kinda) 8 teams by way of the conference championships. There's no reason to expand the CFP to 8 teams because we'll start to see the same erosion of the regular season that we have in college basketball.

For instance, a friend of mine called this morning asking me "D, who's going to win tonight", to which my response was, "Dear, who's playing tonight?"

If ESPN is smart, they'll keep it at 4 as long as they can get away with it.

I disagree. I think eliminating 95% of the teams around mid season takes away from the excitement. Having more teams in the hunt would energize more fan bases & fans. We're not talking about making 1/4 of the teams available for the playoffs like in basketball, we're only talking 8.

(11-15-2016 12:05 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:17 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Which happens first:
a) Notre Dame agrees to play a full ACC football schedule, or
b) The CFP expands to 8

----

The playoff system is already at (kinda) 8 teams by way of the conference championships. There's no reason to expand the CFP to 8 teams because we'll start to see the same erosion of the regular season that we have in college basketball.

For instance, a friend of mine called this morning asking me "D, who's going to win tonight", to which my response was, "Dear, who's playing tonight?"

If ESPN is smart, they'll keep it at 4 as long as they can get away with it.

I disagree. I think eliminating 95% of the teams around mid season takes away from the excitement. Having more teams in the hunt would energize more fan bases & fans. We're not talking about making 1/4 of the teams available for the playoffs like in basketball, we're only talking 8.

We'll agree to disagree.

The beauty of the CFB season is that the regular season is a defacto playoff, where losses actually mean something (unlike college basketball).

We have plenty of teams in the hunt now..

Alabama
Clemson
Michigan
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Louisville
Washington
Oklahoma
Penn State

Auburn was in the hunt and just eliminated itself with a loss (sounds like a playoff to me).

FCS teams have a playoff with 63 scholarships
DII does it with 36
DIII does it with none.

Why is FBS different?

It will move to 8 teams next and finally to 16 teams. In the 16, you would use 15 bowls. In the 8, you would use 7 bowls.

(11-15-2016 03:32 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It will move to 8 teams next and finally to 16 teams. In the 16, you would use 15 bowels. In the 8, you would use 7 bowels.

That would really stink.

(11-15-2016 12:11 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:05 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:17 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Which happens first:
a) Notre Dame agrees to play a full ACC football schedule, or
b) The CFP expands to 8

----

The playoff system is already at (kinda) 8 teams by way of the conference championships. There's no reason to expand the CFP to 8 teams because we'll start to see the same erosion of the regular season that we have in college basketball.

For instance, a friend of mine called this morning asking me "D, who's going to win tonight", to which my response was, "Dear, who's playing tonight?"

If ESPN is smart, they'll keep it at 4 as long as they can get away with it.

I disagree. I think eliminating 95% of the teams around mid season takes away from the excitement. Having more teams in the hunt would energize more fan bases & fans. We're not talking about making 1/4 of the teams available for the playoffs like in basketball, we're only talking 8.

We'll agree to disagree.

The beauty of the CFB season is that the regular season is a defacto playoff, where losses actually mean something (unlike college basketball).

We have plenty of teams in the hunt now..

Alabama
Clemson
Michigan
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Louisville
Washington
Oklahoma
Penn State

Auburn was in the hunt and just eliminated itself with a loss (sounds like a playoff to me).

I have to disagree with you as well ecu, I'm still excited for every Cardinal basketball game and the every regular season game affects seeding which is critical in college hoops.
Eliminating more than half the schools by the 1st of october is kinda silly too. Teams get hot in the end much like in the pros, and shouldn't be punished that harsh for a game that happened in early september.
FlossY out...

(11-15-2016 03:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 03:32 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It will move to 8 teams next and finally to 16 teams. In the 16, you would use 15 bowels. In the 8, you would use 7 bowels.

That would really stink.

we need to stay far away from the bowel system

(11-15-2016 12:11 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:05 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:17 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Which happens first:
a) Notre Dame agrees to play a full ACC football schedule, or
b) The CFP expands to 8

----

The playoff system is already at (kinda) 8 teams by way of the conference championships. There's no reason to expand the CFP to 8 teams because we'll start to see the same erosion of the regular season that we have in college basketball.

For instance, a friend of mine called this morning asking me "D, who's going to win tonight", to which my response was, "Dear, who's playing tonight?"

If ESPN is smart, they'll keep it at 4 as long as they can get away with it.

I disagree. I think eliminating 95% of the teams around mid season takes away from the excitement. Having more teams in the hunt would energize more fan bases & fans. We're not talking about making 1/4 of the teams available for the playoffs like in basketball, we're only talking 8.

We'll agree to disagree.

The beauty of the CFB season is that the regular season is a defacto playoff, where losses actually mean something (unlike college basketball).

We have plenty of teams in the hunt now..

Alabama
Clemson
Michigan
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Louisville
Washington
Oklahoma
Penn State

Auburn was in the hunt and just eliminated itself with a loss (sounds like a playoff to me).

well, right now we still don't have clear cut rules on who's gets in or how it works. All we know for sure is that Conference Championships play a big role with the committee

If you went to 8, you could nail down rules (such as top 4 conference champs), and still have room to include the "best teams"

Go to 8 and you could have:
1. Alabama (SEC Champion)
2. Clemson (ACC Champion)
3. Wisconsin (B1G Champion)
4. Washington (PAC 12 Champion)
5. Oklahoma (Big Xii Champion)
6. Western Michigan (MAC Champion-Best of the Rest Bid)*
7. Ohio State
8. Louisville

with these games:
Louisville @ Alabama
Ohio State @ Clemson
Western Michigan @ Wisconsin
Oklahoma @ Washington

It would be very simple to achieve, and add on to the current system

(11-16-2016 12:48 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:11 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:05 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:17 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Which happens first:
a) Notre Dame agrees to play a full ACC football schedule, or
b) The CFP expands to 8

----

The playoff system is already at (kinda) 8 teams by way of the conference championships. There's no reason to expand the CFP to 8 teams because we'll start to see the same erosion of the regular season that we have in college basketball.

For instance, a friend of mine called this morning asking me "D, who's going to win tonight", to which my response was, "Dear, who's playing tonight?"

If ESPN is smart, they'll keep it at 4 as long as they can get away with it.

I disagree. I think eliminating 95% of the teams around mid season takes away from the excitement. Having more teams in the hunt would energize more fan bases & fans. We're not talking about making 1/4 of the teams available for the playoffs like in basketball, we're only talking 8.

We'll agree to disagree.

The beauty of the CFB season is that the regular season is a defacto playoff, where losses actually mean something (unlike college basketball).

We have plenty of teams in the hunt now..

Alabama
Clemson
Michigan
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Louisville
Washington
Oklahoma
Penn State

Auburn was in the hunt and just eliminated itself with a loss (sounds like a playoff to me).

well, right now we still don't have clear cut rules on who's gets in or how it works. All we know for sure is that Conference Championships play a big role with the committee

If you went to 8, you could nail down rules (such as top 4 conference champs), and still have room to include the "best teams"

Go to 8 and you could have:
1. Alabama (SEC Champion)
2. Clemson (ACC Champion)
3. Wisconsin (B1G Champion)
4. Washington (PAC 12 Champion)
5. Oklahoma (Big Xii Champion)
6. Western Michigan (MAC Champion-Best of the Rest Bid)*
7. Ohio State
8. Louisville

with these games:
Louisville @ Alabama
Ohio State @ Clemson
Western Michigan @ Wisconsin
Oklahoma @ Washington

It would be very simple to achieve, and add on to the current system

With 8 you could take conference champs ranked in the top 10-15 & leave the rest for wild cards.

There is some number of playoff teams above which it erodes interest in the regular season... I just don't think 8 is the number.

The NCAA tournament takes in, what, 68 teams? IMO, that's too many. Was it too many at 64? 48? I think 32 was too few.

For football 8 feels ideal. 4 isn't enough, 16 feels like too many. JMO though.


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(11-16-2016 01:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  There is some number of playoff teams above which it erodes interest in the regular season... I just don't think 8 is the number.

The NCAA tournament takes in, what, 68 teams? IMO, that's too many. Was it too many at 64? 48? I think 32 was too few.

For football 8 feels ideal. 4 isn't enough, 16 feels like too many. JMO though.


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I agree.

(11-16-2016 12:48 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:11 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 12:05 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 11:17 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Which happens first:
a) Notre Dame agrees to play a full ACC football schedule, or
b) The CFP expands to 8

----

The playoff system is already at (kinda) 8 teams by way of the conference championships. There's no reason to expand the CFP to 8 teams because we'll start to see the same erosion of the regular season that we have in college basketball.

For instance, a friend of mine called this morning asking me "D, who's going to win tonight", to which my response was, "Dear, who's playing tonight?"

If ESPN is smart, they'll keep it at 4 as long as they can get away with it.

I disagree. I think eliminating 95% of the teams around mid season takes away from the excitement. Having more teams in the hunt would energize more fan bases & fans. We're not talking about making 1/4 of the teams available for the playoffs like in basketball, we're only talking 8.

We'll agree to disagree.

The beauty of the CFB season is that the regular season is a defacto playoff, where losses actually mean something (unlike college basketball).

We have plenty of teams in the hunt now..

Alabama
Clemson
Michigan
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Louisville
Washington
Oklahoma
Penn State

Auburn was in the hunt and just eliminated itself with a loss (sounds like a playoff to me).

well, right now we still don't have clear cut rules on who's gets in or how it works. All we know for sure is that Conference Championships play a big role with the committee

If you went to 8, you could nail down rules (such as top 4 conference champs), and still have room to include the "best teams"

Go to 8 and you could have:
1. Alabama (SEC Champion)
2. Clemson (ACC Champion)
3. Wisconsin (B1G Champion)
4. Washington (PAC 12 Champion)
5. Oklahoma (Big Xii Champion)
6. Western Michigan (MAC Champion-Best of the Rest Bid)*
7. Ohio State
8. Louisville

with these games:
Louisville @ Alabama
Ohio State @ Clemson
Western Michigan @ Wisconsin
Oklahoma @ Washington

It would be very simple to achieve, and add on to the current system

I like your 8, but I think the seeding would be much different than how you lay it out. It'd prolly shake out something like this, at least as of now:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Washington
5. Louisville
6. Wisconsin
7. Oklahoma
8. Western Michigan

I'll be glad when this P5/G5 split officially happens.

Why do we need/want a playoff bracket that includes Western Michigan?

(11-16-2016 02:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-16-2016 01:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  There is some number of playoff teams above which it erodes interest in the regular season... I just don't think 8 is the number.

The NCAA tournament takes in, what, 68 teams? IMO, that's too many. Was it too many at 64? 48? I think 32 was too few.

For football 8 feels ideal. 4 isn't enough, 16 feels like too many. JMO though.


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I agree.

If you open your mind to account for the conference championships (ACC, B1G, SEC, PAC12/BigXII), we already have an 8-team playoff.

Expanding the CFP erodes the importance of the conference title games, much like the 64-field has eroded it for the power conferences in basketball.

The current system is plenty.