(11-11-2016 04:46 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  DC will never be a state. It's an awful idea. Why should DC become a state when there are other cities, with more population, that aren't states?

Tom, the fact that you're basing your whole justification on DC becoming a state solely on race is completely ridiculous. Come on, you can do better.

This is doubtful after all I've read today. I think he just likes being the center of attention. As for me I have more important things to do.

Go MONARCHS! Beat the Dukes.

(11-11-2016 04:33 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:19 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:01 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Congress, not me. Since it seems you and Tom need things explained on about a 1st grade level, I'll put it another way. Statehood for DC would have to benefit the rest of the states.

Please list the benefits to the rest of the states.

Wyoming? Has pretty much nothing. And if it were part of Montana, it would have the same physical attributes. Why have these white majority states and not a black one?

Free will Tom. If black folks don't want to live in DC without what you consider adequate representation they can move to Wyoming and become a majority. Wouldn't take many to achieve that.

So the states where the whites historically owned all the land and have all the jobs..those are the places that get Senators.

How about this, all land and businesses in Wyoming are confiscated and everyone gets to start from zero.

Why make African Americans lose everything and start from zero to get Senate votes?

There is a solution.. Admit DC as a state. Done.

Neither are going to happen Tom.

It's also bull****... Let's face it even if DC was admitted as a state then the first time their two senators did was not enough to throw power to the leftists they would ***** that it was not enough.

(11-11-2016 04:45 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  bullet,

That explains why its population is so low!

Why does that work for PR, but not DC? Because PR qualifies as a state, while DC does not, right? ........... WHY????

Let's start with... Puerto Rico is not a city createdby taking land from two states...

Bull,

DC is not a city. It's a state.

Prove me wrong.

(11-11-2016 05:22 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Bull,

DC is not a city. It's a state.

Prove me wrong.

A city refers to a large town while a state refers to either a province of larger area consisting of many districts/counties which further consist of cities and towns

Right after you prove it's a state and not a city....

Sure - we can sub-divide DC into many districts/counties that consist of cities and towns.

Meets that definition.

(11-11-2016 05:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sure - we can sub-divide DC into many districts/counties that consist of cities and towns.

Meets that definition.

Right.... that's way more sensible than just giving the land back to Maryland....

Can you not see the hoops you're making yourself jump through? Now artificially partitioning DC into at least three other cities, creating three new city governments and a state government just so a city of 600K people gets to be "a state"...

It's long past the point when you appear to be looking for a serious discussion here.

Right.... that's way more sensible than just giving the land back to Montana....

Can you not see the hoops you're making yourself jump through? Now artificially partitioning Wyoming into at least three cities, creating three new city governments and a state government just so a territory of 600K people gets to be "a state"...

(11-11-2016 04:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  bearcat,

But who wants to live in Wyoming???

That's why places become highly populated: its better to live there.

Lots of people love Wyoming. Jackson Hole. Yellowstone National Park. Cody.

Don't forget Laramie...

(11-11-2016 04:50 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 04:46 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  DC will never be a state. It's an awful idea. Why should DC become a state when there are other cities, with more population, that aren't states?

Tom, the fact that you're basing your whole justification on DC becoming a state solely on race is completely ridiculous. Come on, you can do better.

This is doubtful after all I've read today. I think he just likes being the center of attention. As for me I have more important things to do.

Go MONARCHS! Beat the Dukes.

Heck yes! Go ODU!!

(11-11-2016 05:39 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Right.... that's way more sensible than just giving the land back to Montana....

Can you not see the hoops you're making yourself jump through? Now artificially partitioning Wyoming into at least three cities, creating three new city governments and a state government just so a territory of 600K people gets to be "a state"...

The land in DC was not taken from Montana. I'd normally make a snarky comment figuring you were acting obtuse but given what I've seen from you I don't believe it's an act.

(11-11-2016 05:22 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Bull,

DC is not a city. It's a state.

Prove me wrong.

We have 50 states and DC is not one of them

http://www.50states.com

What is the capital of the state of DC?

What does their state legislature look like?

What other cities are in the state of DC?

Who is the governor of the state of DC?

What is the state flower of DC?

I could go on for a long time

Bull,

Good catch. Allow me to modify my post, such that it still delivers 100% of the actual point I was making, while disabling your red herring response:

Right.... that's way more sensible than just giving the land to Montana....

Can you not see the hoops you're making yourself jump through? Now artificially partitioning Wyoming into at least three cities, creating three new city governments and a state government just so a territory of 600K people gets to be "a state"...



Ham,

- That's why DC is applying for statehood as New Columbia. Glad we clarified that
- They'd designate a capitol, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate a legislature structure, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate other cities, if such a petty thing actually mattered, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd elect a governor, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate a state flower, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier

Any other trivial things that wouldn't be barriers?

(11-12-2016 09:39 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Bull,

Good catch. Allow me to modify my post, such that it still delivers 100% of the actual point I was making, while disabling your red herring response:

Right.... that's way more sensible than just giving the land to Montana....

Can you not see the hoops you're making yourself jump through? Now artificially partitioning Wyoming into at least three cities, creating three new city governments and a state government just so a territory of 600K people gets to be "a state"...



Ham,

- That's why DC is applying for statehood as New Columbia. Glad we clarified that
- They'd designate a capitol, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate a legislature structure, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate other cities, if such a petty thing actually mattered, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd elect a governor, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate a state flower, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier

Any other trivial things that wouldn't be barriers?

Its been clear to everyone for DECADES that the only reason DC isn't a state is because it has a Black majority.

(11-12-2016 09:43 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 09:39 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Bull,

Good catch. Allow me to modify my post, such that it still delivers 100% of the actual point I was making, while disabling your red herring response:

Right.... that's way more sensible than just giving the land to Montana....

Can you not see the hoops you're making yourself jump through? Now artificially partitioning Wyoming into at least three cities, creating three new city governments and a state government just so a territory of 600K people gets to be "a state"...



Ham,

- That's why DC is applying for statehood as New Columbia. Glad we clarified that
- They'd designate a capitol, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate a legislature structure, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate other cities, if such a petty thing actually mattered, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd elect a governor, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier
- They'd designate a state flower, I'm sure. Hardly a barrier

Any other trivial things that wouldn't be barriers?

Its been clear to everyone for DECADES that the only reason DC isn't a state is because it has a Black majority.

Its been clear to everyone for DECADES that the only reason democrats want DC to be a state is because it has a Black majority.

FIFY

(11-11-2016 02:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Bull,

In other words, the default reply seems to be:

"it's too difficult to think of a reply to your logical argument, so I'm just going to hide behind the constitution"

Honestly...I fail to see how any other argument is valid. Those that want DC to be a state? Go change the Constitution. There is really nothing more to be said.

(11-11-2016 02:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Bull,
In other words, the default reply seems to be:
"it's too difficult to think of a reply to your logical argument, so I'm just going to hide behind the constitution"

The fact that you want something to be a certain way does not overrule the fact that it is something else, no matter how badly you want it.

Owl,

... but that goes without saying. So why should we waste our time discussing such a trivial, boring viewpoint??

The interesting viewpoints to discuss on an internet message board -- given that nothing any of us says on here matters one iota to what actually gets decided in the real world -- is to discuss how we think things should be!

(11-12-2016 09:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 02:44 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Bull,

In other words, the default reply seems to be:

"it's too difficult to think of a reply to your logical argument, so I'm just going to hide behind the constitution"

Honestly...I fail to see how any other argument is valid. Those that want DC to be a state? Go change the Constitution. There is really nothing more to be said.

Actually don't need to change the Constitution. Just have US congress hand back 90% of it to Maryland then have Maryland split it back of as a territory. Then have Congress vote to admit New Columbia as a state. Could be done in a single day.

Not happening now. But the Dems were foolish not to fix that when they had control. When they get control again, PR Statehood and DC statehood should be the top 2 priorities.

Why give anything back to Maryland? I don't see anything wrong with just making D.C. as-is a legal state, so long as it gets to vote for two senators and one congressman in the HoR.