(10-31-2016 07:36 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:54 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 04:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If you look at the tv ratings of the AAC games on the ESPN networks they are close to what they get for other leagues specially PAC games on same day, so they are getting a steal with our results

Thats right ^^^

Mike Aresco has plenty amo to go at it with tv networks now, anything between $$$8 million - $$$12 million for each member will be about right.

If Aresco gets $8-$12M, I will drive to the AAC offices and start building his statue myself.

I know my numbers $$$ may sound a bit insane to some they're actually NOT but if this league had a Michigan and a Ohio State the AAC would be fetching $$25 million- $$30 million each, absolutely.

The tv ratings this league is currently pumping aren't results of a startup league but rather a league with programs who are well known by many and should be paid accordingly.

(10-31-2016 10:00 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 07:36 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:54 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 04:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If you look at the tv ratings of the AAC games on the ESPN networks they are close to what they get for other leagues specially PAC games on same day, so they are getting a steal with our results

Thats right ^^^

Mike Aresco has plenty amo to go at it with tv networks now, anything between $$$8 million - $$$12 million for each member will be about right.

If Aresco gets $8-$12M, I will drive to the AAC offices and start building his statue myself.

I know my numbers $$$ may sound a bit insane to some they're actually NOT but if this league had a Michigan and a Ohio State the AAC would be fetching $$25 million- $$30 million each, absolutely.

The tv ratings this league is currently pumping aren't results of a startup league but rather a league with programs who are well known by many and should be paid accordingly.

I find it interesting that ESPN passed on the Cincy vs BYU game on Saturday. That game will be played on CBS-SN since ESPN passed. Any thoughts on why they passed on that game. BYU is their baby and the ratings king. What's up?
Cheers!

(10-31-2016 10:00 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 07:36 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:54 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 04:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If you look at the tv ratings of the AAC games on the ESPN networks they are close to what they get for other leagues specially PAC games on same day, so they are getting a steal with our results

Thats right ^^^

Mike Aresco has plenty amo to go at it with tv networks now, anything between $$$8 million - $$$12 million for each member will be about right.

If Aresco gets $8-$12M, I will drive to the AAC offices and start building his statue myself.

I know my numbers $$$ may sound a bit insane to some they're actually NOT but if this league had a Michigan and a Ohio State the AAC would be fetching $$25 million- $$30 million each, absolutely.

The tv ratings this league is currently pumping aren't results of a startup league but rather a league with programs who are well known by many and should be paid accordingly.

What are these big rates you keep speaking of? Outside of games Houston plays in, or games vs P5 schools, the AAC is consistently at the bottom of the weekly ratings for ESPN.

Having said that, ESPN is (or was) getting a hell of deal with Houston.

(10-31-2016 10:51 AM)MasMack Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 10:00 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 07:36 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:54 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 04:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If you look at the tv ratings of the AAC games on the ESPN networks they are close to what they get for other leagues specially PAC games on same day, so they are getting a steal with our results

Thats right ^^^

Mike Aresco has plenty amo to go at it with tv networks now, anything between $$$8 million - $$$12 million for each member will be about right.

If Aresco gets $8-$12M, I will drive to the AAC offices and start building his statue myself.

I know my numbers $$$ may sound a bit insane to some they're actually NOT but if this league had a Michigan and a Ohio State the AAC would be fetching $$25 million- $$30 million each, absolutely.

The tv ratings this league is currently pumping aren't results of a startup league but rather a league with programs who are well known by many and should be paid accordingly.

What are these big rates you keep speaking of? Outside of games Houston plays in, or games vs P5 schools, the AAC is consistently at the bottom of the weekly ratings for ESPN.

Having said that, ESPN is (or was) getting a hell of deal with Houston.

That is because of the channels it puts them on. ESPN News and ESPN2 are two completely different things. The comparison is a conference game at a certain time slot on the same channel. And the American gets similar ratings to P5 games. There is no huge dropoff because it is not a P5 conference.

(10-31-2016 08:08 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 07:57 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Agree, I would love 8 to 12 million, but don't see it. Yes ESPN is still very profitable, but the projections and direction is bad, and not changing anytime soon.

If we do a deal now, I don't see us even close to that range. Unless it is an escalating deal that hits 6 to 8 the very last year. Odds could be better on the open market, but if the market continues as it is, what is that market going to look like in 3 years.

The Big 10 just got a 300% raise.

One of the reasons that ESPN is bleeding is the fees that they are charging to pay that 300%. If you saw what FS1 costs in that article you will see why they don't have a whole lot of change to through around. They see what is happening to ESPN and they are going to be cautious going forward. Disney is making up the losses at ESPN with the advertising dollars that they get from the P5 games on Saturday afternoon and Saturday night on their over the air ABC broadcasts. But you better believe that the powers that be at the Big Mouse are taking note of where all of this is headed.

Espn has to keep live programming and the AAC gives them solid inventory of games. Espn felt the need to pay up 300% for the big 10. AAC should get a raise. Not sure if it will be $500k each or $4 million each but we will get more money.

Mikey Aresco now has a built in excuse to pimp around radio stations throughout the AAC schools home cities/towns. Good news for his bottom line, not ours of course.

(10-31-2016 10:55 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 10:51 AM)MasMack Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 10:00 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 07:36 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:54 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Thats right ^^^

Mike Aresco has plenty amo to go at it with tv networks now, anything between $$$8 million - $$$12 million for each member will be about right.

If Aresco gets $8-$12M, I will drive to the AAC offices and start building his statue myself.

I know my numbers $$$ may sound a bit insane to some they're actually NOT but if this league had a Michigan and a Ohio State the AAC would be fetching $$25 million- $$30 million each, absolutely.

The tv ratings this league is currently pumping aren't results of a startup league but rather a league with programs who are well known by many and should be paid accordingly.

What are these big rates you keep speaking of? Outside of games Houston plays in, or games vs P5 schools, the AAC is consistently at the bottom of the weekly ratings for ESPN.

Having said that, ESPN is (or was) getting a hell of deal with Houston.

That is because of the channels it puts them on. ESPN News and ESPN2 are two completely different things. The comparison is a conference game at a certain time slot on the same channel. And the American gets similar ratings to P5 games. There is no huge dropoff because it is not a P5 conference.

I mean, that's just not really true. Looking at this site. http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

I don't know if this is a good site or what. But even if you compare the same networks, there is still a big drop off the vast majority of the time from AAC to P5 conference. AAC and MWC seem to be more similar.

I'm not really criticizing, bc I have no dog in the fight since my conference's TV deal is the worst I have even seen. Just was browsing, and notice an interesting statement and decided to look, and didn't see the truth behind the statement.

(10-30-2016 02:53 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:They fleeced the Big 12 with 10 mill for the pro rata. How much did that save them?

They are a very profitable business. Don't kid yourself. They are just less of a monopoly than they were previous.

If they don't want to sew this up sooner than we'll just wait. No problem.

It's really up to them if they want to lock up the content with a reasonable offer. Regardless, the AAC now has a record to support its value that it can show around.

I agree the AAC is more valuable than it's current contract. However, I think the AAC fans are over estimating the demand and money they will get. I think it will be in the middle which probably will not set well with AAC fans.

(10-30-2016 06:31 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 05:45 PM)Jesterondirt Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 05:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 04:45 PM)Jesterondirt Wrote:  I'm staying at an RV park while working in Amarillo. And the local cable here does not have any of the ESPN channels

If you have internet....get a Sling subscription with the sports package for $25 a month. You can stream ESPN Channels on your computer or TV. You also get WatchESPN access. No contracts and you can cancel instantly online.

Yeah I'm using the watchespn app through my xbox. Thanks for the heads up though. I may check into that Sling subscription.

Is it just me or is the Xbox app AWFUL

Once they updated the app to a make all the conference channels available it has been a really good app. I haven't had any issues.

(10-30-2016 02:50 PM)Mikeyp Wrote:  ESPN lost 621,000 subscribers this month alone. Might not be good for contract talks.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn-l...ory-102916

Still at the top and still the most watched sports network.


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(10-31-2016 07:57 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Agree, I would love 8 to 12 million, but don't see it. Yes ESPN is still very profitable, but the projections and direction is bad, and not changing anytime soon.

If we do a deal now, I don't see us even close to that range. Unless it is an escalating deal that hits 6 to 8 the very last year. Odds could be better on the open market, but if the market continues as it is, what is that market going to look like in 3 years.

Open market is a very bad thing because it runs the risk of not being in ESPN. CBS and Fox has no eyes and NBC doesn't have the real estate and will always favor Norte Dame over us.


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(10-31-2016 01:14 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 02:53 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:They fleeced the Big 12 with 10 mill for the pro rata. How much did that save them?

They are a very profitable business. Don't kid yourself. They are just less of a monopoly than they were previous.

If they don't want to sew this up sooner than we'll just wait. No problem.

It's really up to them if they want to lock up the content with a reasonable offer. Regardless, the AAC now has a record to support its value that it can show around.

I agree the AAC is more valuable than it's current contract. However, I think the AAC fans are over estimating the demand and money they will get. I think it will be in the middle which probably will not set well with AAC fans.

The trick is to get to the open market. I think the AAC can get close to the old big East last offer which in todays market is still a bargain basement price. I may be a homer but I think on the open market we should be able to get 60mil from fox and from espn (chump change for both really, basically what they currently paying Rutgers and Illinois or vandy and Kentucky), that 120 mil or 10mil per team. Then I would package all of our 2tier to CBS sports with some extra bball and uconn w bball for maybe 30-60mil (for some reason CBS loves our content, they already were paying espn for our content rather than show Cusa content they were already paying for. Go figure). That's 12.5-15mil per team. That's not including our CCG. I think the complicated part may be negotiating for a contract bowl, but I think we could pay for that if we can get anywhere near my optimistic (homer) scenario.

(10-31-2016 07:20 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:14 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 02:53 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:They fleeced the Big 12 with 10 mill for the pro rata. How much did that save them?

They are a very profitable business. Don't kid yourself. They are just less of a monopoly than they were previous.

If they don't want to sew this up sooner than we'll just wait. No problem.

It's really up to them if they want to lock up the content with a reasonable offer. Regardless, the AAC now has a record to support its value that it can show around.

I agree the AAC is more valuable than it's current contract. However, I think the AAC fans are over estimating the demand and money they will get. I think it will be in the middle which probably will not set well with AAC fans.

The trick is to get to the open market. I think the AAC can get close to the old big East last offer which in todays market is still a bargain basement price. I may be a homer but I think on the open market we should be able to get 60mil from fox and from espn (chump change for both really, basically what they currently paying Rutgers and Illinois or vandy and Kentucky), that 120 mil or 10mil per team. Then I would package all of our 2tier to CBS sports with some extra bball and uconn w bball for maybe 30-60mil (for some reason CBS loves our content, they already were paying espn for our content rather than show Cusa content they were already paying for. Go figure). That's 12.5-15mil per team. That's not including our CCG. I think the complicated part may be negotiating for a contract bowl, but I think we could pay for that if we can get anywhere near my optimistic (homer) scenario.

Oh yeah while I'm dreaming who knows what we can get by packaging our 3rd tier rights to a streaming service like Netflix or hula

Bout 6mil/team is my guess...wish is about 12 mil

(10-31-2016 07:20 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 01:14 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 02:53 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:They fleeced the Big 12 with 10 mill for the pro rata. How much did that save them?

They are a very profitable business. Don't kid yourself. They are just less of a monopoly than they were previous.

If they don't want to sew this up sooner than we'll just wait. No problem.

It's really up to them if they want to lock up the content with a reasonable offer. Regardless, the AAC now has a record to support its value that it can show around.

I agree the AAC is more valuable than it's current contract. However, I think the AAC fans are over estimating the demand and money they will get. I think it will be in the middle which probably will not set well with AAC fans.

The trick is to get to the open market. I think the AAC can get close to the old big East last offer which in todays market is still a bargain basement price. I may be a homer but I think on the open market we should be able to get 60mil from fox and from espn (chump change for both really, basically what they currently paying Rutgers and Illinois or vandy and Kentucky), that 120 mil or 10mil per team. Then I would package all of our 2tier to CBS sports with some extra bball and uconn w bball for maybe 30-60mil (for some reason CBS loves our content, they already were paying espn for our content rather than show Cusa content they were already paying for. Go figure). That's 12.5-15mil per team. That's not including our CCG. I think the complicated part may be negotiating for a contract bowl, but I think we could pay for that if we can get anywhere near my optimistic (homer) scenario.

Or...just like in some upcoming free agency cases (i.e. see Oklahoma Thunder recent moves this week), the THREAT of going to the open market can help one gain a HUGE and improved contract where they are, i.e. in this case, ESPN.

I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN's best offer comes just before AAC can take their contract to the open market...and staying with ESPN Networks is obviously Aresco and every program's #1 wish...as they dominate the college football/basketball landscape.

There is going to be a lot of disappointment on this board based on some of the comments I read here.

(11-01-2016 07:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  There is going to be a lot of disappointment on this board based on some of the comments I read here.

Why does it matter to you?

(11-01-2016 07:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  There is going to be a lot of disappointment on this board based on some of the comments I read here.

Everyone has been getting a raise, so I doubt it. Even the c-usa got a 100% raise or more. The conference is essentially the former Sunbelt and FCS which got $100k and $0.

I'll be the realistic one though. $3.5-$4 million with same exposure agreement.

(11-01-2016 12:38 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(11-01-2016 07:45 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  There is going to be a lot of disappointment on this board based on some of the comments I read here.

Why does it matter to you?

Entertainment value from Tiger High supporters.