(10-22-2016 08:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:28 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There will be a P4 before there is a P6....

Yep. And there will NOT be leftovers. They will simply cram all the existing schools into 4 conferences before, or soon after, they break away.

That was likely the last train out. And the American will never become P anything, b/c you have to have a network willing to pay the big bucks.

Never say never. The old big east was in the BCS. The AAC isn't that different. If Aresco plays his cards right and our leaders put political pressure for inclusion it could happen.

Political pressure is the only way it ever happens. Until then we have to beat the P6 drum constantly and get a much better media deal which I think Aresco will get. Get a contract bowl for our champion as well

I didn't say never. I said "likely not."

Money is determined by the market place, not by political pressure. The AAC is way underpaid, and the P5 conferences are way overpaid.

Nothing is going to change that. We can get a bump in the next contract, but nothing close enough to make any real difference, and make us a true "P6." That would take $25M minimum, just in TV money, from our $2M today. No way. Not enough competition in the market place for our services, and the only 2 real players are Fox and ESPN, for now.

Same with a contract bowl. No incentive for any current high paying bowl to sign us. What would they do, dump a P5 contract?

You're right. Nothing will ever change. Let's just scrap the whole deal.

You can't get a hit if you don't swing at the ball. Push the P6 narrative all you can. We have nothing to lose. It's great marketing if nothing else.

I heard two announcers on ESPN say P6 in relation to the AAC just this past weekend. It's a perception thing. If you say it enough people will believe it. Power is not a designation given by the NCAA. It was given to the P5 by themselves and picked up by the media.

As far as a contract bowl I do believe we can get a decent bowl for our champion. All is not lost. We are moving up the food chain.

(10-22-2016 08:51 AM)otown Wrote:  TV contract money does not make you a P6. Having a contract with an Access bowl along with being lumped in the autonomous group is what it takes. Have the latter 2 with a paltry $2-3 million contract and you are still a P6 in my book. Having $30 million a year without the latter two and you are still only the tallest midget.

You do realize that the so called autonomous group grew out of the CFP, which is a separate nonprofit corporation from the NCAA with an 11 member board of directors made up of a representative from each of the 10 FBS conferences (P5 and G5 Plus ND, yeah they get their own) which gives the P5 a built in majority. So nothing will happen without the P5 wanting it to happen unless you can flip ND.

(10-24-2016 05:22 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 08:51 AM)otown Wrote:  TV contract money does not make you a P6. Having a contract with an Access bowl along with being lumped in the autonomous group is what it takes. Have the latter 2 with a paltry $2-3 million contract and you are still a P6 in my book. Having $30 million a year without the latter two and you are still only the tallest midget.

You do realize that the so called autonomous group grew out of the CFP, which is a separate nonprofit corporation from the NCAA with an 11 member board of directors made up of a representative from each of the 10 FBS conferences (P5 and G5 Plus ND, yeah they get their own) which gives the P5 a built in majority. So nothing will happen without the P5 wanting it to happen unless you can flip ND.

None of this matters. The whole P5 and G5 thing became less important when automatic bids went away for everyone. Yes, the "P5" has the majority, but a separate group decides the CFP teams. If we had a team that was good enough to be ranked in the top 4, that team could go to the playoff.

Yes, you can say that the eye test is an up-hill battle. Yes, we are at a disadvantage financially and with recruiting. And yes, our teams might have to do more than others for the ranking, but it's still possible.

If you don't believe me, look at the B12. Like us, their teams are only winning about a third of their games against P5 teams. That is why their best team, who is undefeated, is sitting at #8 in the rankings.

Until we have an undefeated team, with a good schedule, in a season where our teams combine to be above .500 against GOOD P5 schools (which is what I think it's going to take), then it doesn't matter. That isn't happening. We can blame the people running the show, the networks, or whoever we want. The bottom line is that we are NOT as competitive, as a conference, as the top 4 conferences.

The old MWC was much, much closer than the AAC and they didn't make it. The AAC has done absolutely nothing to warrant a "P6" move.

(10-26-2016 06:54 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  The old MWC was much, much closer than the AAC and they didn't make it. The AAC has done absolutely nothing to warrant a "P6" move.

Don't you know, after 2 years the AAC is the premiere G5 league no ifs ands or buts about it. Either way the p5 will not expand or share. They just change the rules like when the mwc was outperforming the big east.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/


Here's this years tv numbers. On Saturday on a prime time slot on ESPN2 and drew under 500k.. The AAC tv numbers do not warrant a raise.

(10-26-2016 07:52 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 06:54 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  The old MWC was much, much closer than the AAC and they didn't make it. The AAC has done absolutely nothing to warrant a "P6" move.

Don't you know, after 2 years the AAC is the premiere G5 league no ifs ands or buts about it. Either way the p5 will not expand or share. They just change the rules like when the mwc was outperforming the big east.

Exactly.. The MWC actually met the requirements to become a P7 and they just blew the thing up. There is no magic formula now, but it certainly isn't a single NY6 win and a letdown the following year.


Boise and SDSU left because the delusions of grandeur led people to believe that there was 6-8 million in tv money available. There was not when the AAC had a stronger lineup of teams, and there will not be in 2 years.

(10-26-2016 08:41 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/


Here's this years tv numbers. On Saturday on a prime time slot on ESPN2 and drew under 500k.. The AAC tv numbers do not warrant a raise.

Pretty much on par with what ESPN 2 has been drawing for most other run of the mill P5 games not featuring a household name like Michigan, Ohio State, etc. Very much on par with the PAC and ACC when looking at ESPN 2. I fail to see your point.

(10-24-2016 11:53 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 08:44 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:28 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There will be a P4 before there is a P6....

Yep. And there will NOT be leftovers. They will simply cram all the existing schools into 4 conferences before, or soon after, they break away.

That was likely the last train out. And the American will never become P anything, b/c you have to have a network willing to pay the big bucks.

Never say never. The old big east was in the BCS. The AAC isn't that different. If Aresco plays his cards right and our leaders put political pressure for inclusion it could happen.

Political pressure is the only way it ever happens. Until then we have to beat the P6 drum constantly and get a much better media deal which I think Aresco will get. Get a contract bowl for our champion as well

I didn't say never. I said "likely not."

Money is determined by the market place, not by political pressure. The AAC is way underpaid, and the P5 conferences are way overpaid.

Nothing is going to change that. We can get a bump in the next contract, but nothing close enough to make any real difference, and make us a true "P6." That would take $25M minimum, just in TV money, from our $2M today. No way. Not enough competition in the market place for our services, and the only 2 real players are Fox and ESPN, for now.

Same with a contract bowl. No incentive for any current high paying bowl to sign us. What would they do, dump a P5 contract?

You're right. Nothing will ever change. Let's just scrap the whole deal.

You can't get a hit if you don't swing at the ball. Push the P6 narrative all you can. We have nothing to lose. It's great marketing if nothing else.

I heard two announcers on ESPN say P6 in relation to the AAC just this past weekend. It's a perception thing. If you say it enough people will believe it. Power is not a designation given by the NCAA. It was given to the P5 by themselves and picked up by the media.

As far as a contract bowl I do believe we can get a decent bowl for our champion. All is not lost. We are moving up the food chain.

(10-26-2016 08:53 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:41 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/


Here's this years tv numbers. On Saturday on a prime time slot on ESPN2 and drew under 500k.. The AAC tv numbers do not warrant a raise.

Pretty much on par with what ESPN 2 has been drawing for most other run of the mill P5 games not featuring a household name like Michigan, Ohio State, etc. Very much on par with the PAC and ACC when looking at ESPN 2. I fail to see your point.

This is correct. ESPN2 draws about the same across the board with AAC and P5 with extremity exceptions on both ends. The more accessible ESPN shows where the strength of the conferences play out and AAC holds its own there. The big games with top 25 are where the ratings start to climb. As a league, we must strive to put top 25 teams in front of the public. That will advance any narrative and payday.


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(10-26-2016 08:53 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:41 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/


Here's this years tv numbers. On Saturday on a prime time slot on ESPN2 and drew under 500k.. The AAC tv numbers do not warrant a raise.

Pretty much on par with what ESPN 2 has been drawing for most other run of the mill P5 games not featuring a household name like Michigan, Ohio State, etc. Very much on par with the PAC and ACC when looking at ESPN 2. I fail to see your point.

There is no point. The dude in an absolute moron. The very first AAC conference game in his link (AAC vs AAC) shows 1.3 million viewers. Meanwhile, one of Boises biggest games BYU vs Boise couldnt even get to a million. He's a moron.

(10-26-2016 09:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:53 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:41 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/


Here's this years tv numbers. On Saturday on a prime time slot on ESPN2 and drew under 500k.. The AAC tv numbers do not warrant a raise.

Pretty much on par with what ESPN 2 has been drawing for most other run of the mill P5 games not featuring a household name like Michigan, Ohio State, etc. Very much on par with the PAC and ACC when looking at ESPN 2. I fail to see your point.

There is no point. The dude in an absolute moron. The very first game in his link is AAC conference game (AAC vs AAC) with a million plus viewers.

Agree on the moron part. Must be that glorified trade school he attended. I just do not understand why all these Boise, MWC fans are always on this board. Are they not busy enough telling each other how great they are?

(10-26-2016 08:53 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:41 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/


Here's this years tv numbers. On Saturday on a prime time slot on ESPN2 and drew under 500k.. The AAC tv numbers do not warrant a raise.

Pretty much on par with what ESPN 2 has been drawing for most other run of the mill P5 games not featuring a household name like Michigan, Ohio State, etc. Very much on par with the PAC and ACC when looking at ESPN 2. I fail to see your point.

On ESPN main channel of this past weekend Temple-S. Florida drew in the same neighborhood as Miami - VATECH and Oregon - California. P5 audience with G5 money. I can understand Aresco wanting to give ESPN a call (not based on one game, but a body of evidence). We'll see what happens. It is an interesting media environment right now.


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A million viewers isn't anything to write home about and certainly won't raise the eyebrows of tv execs. At a 7:30 EST start on a Saturday from your best program, you better put some numbers up.


I'm not hating.. Just take off the homer giggles. There is zero chance of becoming a P6.

(10-26-2016 10:41 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  A million viewers isn't anything to write home about and certainly won't raise the eyebrows of tv execs. At a 7:30 EST start on a Saturday from your best program, you better put some numbers up.


I'm not hating.. Just take off the homer giggles. There is zero chance of becoming a P6.

Exactly. Boise vs a "P5" couldn't even get a million viewers. But a pair AAC G5 teams had 1.3 million viewers. The AAC isn't really a P5----but it's not like the other G5s either. The P5 gets about 25 million a team. There's a lot of room between 2 million a team and 25 million to negotiate.

(10-26-2016 09:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 09:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:53 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:41 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/


Here's this years tv numbers. On Saturday on a prime time slot on ESPN2 and drew under 500k.. The AAC tv numbers do not warrant a raise.

Pretty much on par with what ESPN 2 has been drawing for most other run of the mill P5 games not featuring a household name like Michigan, Ohio State, etc. Very much on par with the PAC and ACC when looking at ESPN 2. I fail to see your point.

There is no point. The dude in an absolute moron. The very first game in his link is AAC conference game (AAC vs AAC) with a million plus viewers.

Agree on the moron part. Must be that glorified trade school he attended. I just do not understand why all these Boise, MWC fans are always on this board. Are they not busy enough telling each other how great they are?

I got his point. Arguably our best team, playing in a game with our two big Texas markets, should draw better than "run of the mill" P5 games. If we expect P5 money, our top AAC vs. AAC conference games should have comparable viewership to...

B10 - Ohio State or Michigan
ACC - Florida State or Clemson
PAC12 - USC or UCLA
B12 - Texas or Oklahoma
SEC - Alabama or Texas A&M

And no cheating. We're talking Saturday afternoon, with everybody else. Not Friday Night when we're the only thing on.

And yes, I know Houston-SMU is not the greatest game ever. But do you think even our conference championship this year will draw the 8.5m that Texas A&M vs. Bama got in the middle of the season?

(10-27-2016 07:28 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 09:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 09:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:53 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 08:41 PM)ianforheisman Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/


Here's this years tv numbers. On Saturday on a prime time slot on ESPN2 and drew under 500k.. The AAC tv numbers do not warrant a raise.

Pretty much on par with what ESPN 2 has been drawing for most other run of the mill P5 games not featuring a household name like Michigan, Ohio State, etc. Very much on par with the PAC and ACC when looking at ESPN 2. I fail to see your point.

There is no point. The dude in an absolute moron. The very first game in his link is AAC conference game (AAC vs AAC) with a million plus viewers.

Agree on the moron part. Must be that glorified trade school he attended. I just do not understand why all these Boise, MWC fans are always on this board. Are they not busy enough telling each other how great they are?

I got his point. Arguably our best team, playing in a game with our two big Texas markets, should draw better than "run of the mill" P5 games. If we expect P5 money, our top AAC vs. AAC conference games should have comparable viewership to...

B10 - Ohio State or Michigan
ACC - Florida State or Clemson
PAC12 - USC or UCLA
B12 - Texas or Oklahoma
SEC - Alabama or Texas A&M

And no cheating. We're talking Saturday afternoon, with everybody else. Not Friday Night when we're the only thing on.

And yes, I know Houston-SMU is not the greatest game ever. But do you think even our conference championship this year will draw the 8.5m that Texas A&M vs. Bama got in the middle of the season?

you got his point? really? we are not saying we are going to get P5 "money"..... but this clown is saying we are not even gonna get a bump at all.

fyi, run of the mill P5 games are not matchups with their flagship programs. we hold par with the mid and lower tier P5 conference games. once again, not asking for $30 million, but a $3-6 million increase is reasonable with those stats.

But you don't know you will get a raise until you get a new signed TV contract.

(10-27-2016 10:31 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  But you don't know you will get a raise until you get a new signed TV contract.

We should be able to read the tea leaves. Aresco wont sign a deal with ESPN this far out without a good raise that reflects the data.

I hope you get it. ESPN is violating the American!

(10-27-2016 10:45 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ESPN is violating the American!