(10-18-2016 08:01 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

They used the schools in the AAC for their own financial gain. The AAC schools were nothing more than pawns in their game. Our schools wasted time and money on a dog and pony show that was all a fake charade. Big 12 did nothing "wrong" with regards to being greedy and trying to maximize their money......... but for you to act like the fans of the schools that were dicked along this fake charade should not feel animosity....... that's pretty shallow of you.

As a USF fan I feel zero animosity towards the Big 12. Clearly, at certain points in the process, there was debate and discussion within the Big 12 about expansion. The OU President came out in favor of expansion. The Big 12 didn't promise that it would add USF, or anyone else. It invited us to come and put on a dog and pony show for them and we decided to do it, no strings attached. Was the Big 12 trying to maximize their money? Of course, and if USF or UCF didn't realize that, we were naive. We were trying to maximize our money too. Not a crime.

Am I disappointed we're still stranded on the Island of Misfit Toys? Of course. But that doesn't mean we were poorly treated, we weren't.

(10-19-2016 08:42 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  Aresco is talking about pushing the P6 narrative, but nobody will take that seriously if our champ is playing the #9 ACC team in a bowl. We need to find a way to get on board with a Liberty / Russel Athletic / Texas / Belk caliber bowl.

The problem with the "P6 narrative" now is the same as it was two years ago, after UCF won the Fiesta and UConn won the basketball title: Power has nothing to do with winning on the field or court, and everything to do with brand value. So we have no narrative to push.

I guarantee the SEC had part in B2 in liberty as well. They never wanted CUSA there, and AAC was no different.

(10-18-2016 05:59 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  If you read or listened to the ISU radio interview, he was very candid about this whole thing. He basically said it was a money grab and that the whole purpose of this charade was to; keep OU & UT happy by not expanding as they were against it the whole time, and to force the networks to pay more to not expand and close the pro rata loop hole. Here are some highlights:

http://kxno.iheart.com/onair/n-a-52935/j...-15213092/

"The Big 12 exists because we've got Texas and Oklahoma in the room. If you take Texas and Oklahoma out of the room, we're the Mountain West and we're going to get $3 million. We've got a team with two star players, Texas and Oklahoma, and I'm okay to be on a team with two star players."

"What I do know is at 10, we give ourselves a lot more flexibility down the road vs. adding members that would clutter up the process. People say in eight or 10 years Texas and Oklahoma are going to bolt. But if Texas and Oklahoma don't want us to add members, I guarantee you if we added members and forced it on them, they'd bolt. That's the part of this process people aren't thinking about."

"The only difference between Iowa State and the schools that didn't get in yesterday is the fact we're on the inside looking out and they're on the outside looking in."

The "he" in this quote is not the president at ISU but rather the AD, just to correct the narrative........not saying you were incorrect because you didn't provide the official's title but subsequent posters did assume it was the ISU president & it is actually Jamie Pollard, the AD. As an aside the ISU is likely more concerned about the current investigation on his misuse of the university airplane.....

(10-19-2016 08:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I guarantee the SEC had part in B2 in liberty as well. They never wanted CUSA there, and AAC was no different.

Yep, the Big 12 is the opponent because the SEC decided it wanted a P5 matchup in the bowl, and the LB was happy to oblige.

Despite what Memphis fans spin, the entire history of the Liberty Bowl has been characterized by trying to get in and remain in the good graces of the SEC and the Bowl has never cared about what Memphis wants or thinks. That's why SEC teams have played in it a billion times and Memphis never has. And that's why the 2006 deal that created a formal SEC tie gave the SEC veto power over its opponent.

The LB believes the SEC is its bread and butter, not Memphis. Memphis has never been able to "deliver" the bowl to anyone, other than when the SEC itself wasn't interested in the bowl.

(10-19-2016 08:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I guarantee the SEC had part in B2 in liberty as well. They never wanted CUSA there, and AAC was no different.

The SEC doesn't give 2 shites about the liberty bowl. The liberty is counting on close bottom feeder sec schools to be there every year. Five are close: arl, miss, misstate, mizzou, and vandy

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Actually, I had no idea what the current Liberty Bowl contract agreement was...but now I do. Tks.

I loved the Liberty Bowl when it had ties to C-USA & the SEC.

2008 (ECU/Kentucky) and 2009 (ECU/Arkansas) were both heartbreakers, but man, what a fun bowl experience. Wish the American could snag the Liberty Bowl, considering we have Memphis.

(10-19-2016 09:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I guarantee the SEC had part in B2 in liberty as well. They never wanted CUSA there, and AAC was no different.

Yep, the Big 12 is the opponent because the SEC decided it wanted a P5 matchup in the bowl, and the LB was happy to oblige.

Despite what Memphis fans spin, the entire history of the Liberty Bowl has been characterized by trying to get in and remain in the good graces of the SEC and the Bowl has never cared about what Memphis wants or thinks. That's why SEC teams have played in it a billion times and Memphis never has. And that's why the 2006 deal that created a formal SEC tie gave the SEC veto power over its opponent.

The LB believes the SEC is its bread and butter, not Memphis. Memphis has never been able to "deliver" the bowl to anyone, other than when the SEC itself wasn't interested in the bowl.

Just another way the $EC looks down their nose at Memphis and the other schools in the AAC. In other words, know your roll and stfu, and what's sad is, the LB says, yes sir $EC, we'll kiss your @ss just to keep you happy, even though in years past, you told us to F-off and didn't want any part of us. The $EC isn't stupid, they don't want Memphis to grow in football , their recruiting bed in this area would be hurt in a big way. Wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if the $EC had something to do with Memphis being eliminated from the B12 expansion process with the early exit that Memphis received. Right Missippi, UTK, Ark. and Miss State? As I said in my initial post. The LB has seen me for the last time, won't spend another dime to watch their game. F-em

Executive director was quarterback at Colorado College. Associate executive director went to Memphis State and was a Memphis sports anchor for a number of years. Seems like the obvious political play is to go after Harold Graeter through his Memphis State connects.

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Took Memphis and the AAC out of play. The conference (CUSA) or coalition of Indy teams (pre CUSA) that Memphis was a part of always got to play in the Liberty. We all expected that tradition to continue when Memphis joined the AAC. Sucks. When the WAC had instability in the late 90's, they lost their long standing relationship with the Holiday Bowl. Same thing happened here.
Cheers!

(10-19-2016 08:42 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  Aresco is talking about pushing the P6 narrative, but nobody will take that seriously if our champ is playing the #9 ACC team in a bowl. We need to find a way to get on board with a Liberty / Russel Athletic / Texas / Belk caliber bowl.

Belk Bowl now. If there was ever a time for Aresco to get a good bowl it's now, and its with the Belk.
Cheers!

Most of these bowls have a # of years left on current deal. Nothing can be done until contracts start coming up.

(10-19-2016 11:16 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Took Memphis and the AAC out of play. The conference (CUSA) or coalition of Indy teams (pre CUSA) that Memphis was a part of always got to play in the Liberty. We all expected that tradition to continue when Memphis joined the AAC. Sucks.

When the SEC said to the Liberty Bowl, "we don't want to play CUSA anymore, we want you to find a P5 opponent, namely the Big 12", what on earth was the LB realistically supposed to do, say "no, we'd rather have the AAC, Memphis's new conference, and you can take it or leave it".

Seriously?

(10-19-2016 11:19 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 08:42 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  Aresco is talking about pushing the P6 narrative, but nobody will take that seriously if our champ is playing the #9 ACC team in a bowl. We need to find a way to get on board with a Liberty / Russel Athletic / Texas / Belk caliber bowl.

Belk Bowl now. If there was ever a time for Aresco to get a good bowl it's now, and its with the Belk.
Cheers!

Umm....the old-Big East had a tie-in with the Belk Bowl. So.....no to the Belk Bowl.

(10-19-2016 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 11:16 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Took Memphis and the AAC out of play. The conference (CUSA) or coalition of Indy teams (pre CUSA) that Memphis was a part of always got to play in the Liberty. We all expected that tradition to continue when Memphis joined the AAC. Sucks.

When the SEC said to the Liberty Bowl, "we don't want to play CUSA anymore, we want you to find a P5 opponent, namely the Big 12", what on earth was the LB realistically supposed to do, say "no, we'd rather have the AAC, Memphis's new conference, and you can take it or leave it".

Seriously?

Sometimes you need that support from a hometown bowl. The Orange Bowl took that risk by supporting Miami and aligning itself with the Big East.

Guys, there is a lot of politics to a bowl. They want fans to travel to the city and spend money in addition to sitting their butt in the seat during the game. The top half of every P5 conference is guaranteed to travel great, or better than the gamble of who would come out of the AAC.

If I'm a bowl, I would totally take the #5sec team vs the #4 big 12 team vs matching them to the AAC champ. #5 sec team has a higher chance of drawing better than our champ

(10-19-2016 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 11:16 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Took Memphis and the AAC out of play. The conference (CUSA) or coalition of Indy teams (pre CUSA) that Memphis was a part of always got to play in the Liberty. We all expected that tradition to continue when Memphis joined the AAC. Sucks.

When the SEC said to the Liberty Bowl, "we don't want to play CUSA anymore, we want you to find a P5 opponent, namely the Big 12", what on earth was the LB realistically supposed to do, say "no, we'd rather have the AAC, Memphis's new conference, and you can take it or leave it".

Seriously?

agree 100%

Not sure why people have a hard time getting this.....its simple business. The LB is under no obligation to 'take one for the home team'. In fact its asinine to think they should/would. They made a sound business decision and I would have done the same thing in their shoes.

(10-19-2016 07:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 11:16 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Took Memphis and the AAC out of play. The conference (CUSA) or coalition of Indy teams (pre CUSA) that Memphis was a part of always got to play in the Liberty. We all expected that tradition to continue when Memphis joined the AAC. Sucks.

When the SEC said to the Liberty Bowl, "we don't want to play CUSA anymore, we want you to find a P5 opponent, namely the Big 12", what on earth was the LB realistically supposed to do, say "no, we'd rather have the AAC, Memphis's new conference, and you can take it or leave it".

Seriously?

Sometimes you need that support from a hometown bowl. The Orange Bowl took that risk by supporting Miami and aligning itself with the Big East.

Miami football was a powerhouse. Big difference in risk.

The whole bowl business comes down to money. Corporate sponsors aren't going to want to dish out more than a million for a bowl, if the teams playing don't have fans that travel in large numbers. Unfortunately, outside of Houston and maybe Navy, the AAC just doesn't have the traveling fan numbers to attract major bowls. Unless FEDEX can work some magic on the Liberty Bowl Committee (i.e. money), they are not going to switch to the AAC, when only Houston, Memphis and Navy can fill the allotted seats for that bowl.