Many people seem to be figuring that BYU would join the "remaining 8" if Texas and Oklahoma leave. Can anyone give a good reason for that happening? BYU turned down the Big East when they came asking, why would it be any different with the "Remaining 8?"

I'm trying to think of some reason, whether logic, financial, or renewing rivalries. However, BYU has not scheduled any of these teams in football apart from West Virginia this year and TCU many years ago. BYU has better attendance than any of these teams, despite not getting Oklahoma and Texas to visit regularly. They would not be close geographically. The remaining 8 would not have P5 bowls or money to give BYU.

So, what would be the appeal? How would the remaining 8 be able to attract BYU? Perhaps some form of unequal sharing might work, but that seems to be about it.

(10-18-2016 01:36 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Many people seem to be figuring that BYU would join the "remaining 8" if Texas and Oklahoma leave. Can anyone give a good reason for that happening? BYU turned down the Big East when they came asking, why would it be any different with the "Remaining 8?"

I'm trying to think of some reason, whether logic, financial, or renewing rivalries. However, BYU has not scheduled any of these teams in football apart from West Virginia this year and TCU many years ago. BYU has better attendance than any of these teams, despite not getting Oklahoma and Texas to visit regularly. They would not be close geographically. The remaining 8 would not have P5 bowls or money to give BYU.

So, what would be the appeal? How would the remaining 8 be able to attract BYU? Perhaps some form of unequal sharing might work, but that seems to be about it.

Because even Notre Dame knew that true independence was no longer possible. BYU isn't above TCU, Kansas, OSU etc etc etc.

BYU clearly overplayed its hand. They now appear to be out of options for the foreseeable future. Not smart.

They would be fortunate to garner another such opportunity. I'm not sure whether or not you have noticed this but Power 5 conferences now pretty much control the entire thing and they are not exactly beating down the Cougars' door.

1984 was a loooooooong time ago now and everything has changed. BYU just didn't recognize that reality as quickly as did many others and they are now paying the price for that mistake.

Personally, I think the Big 12 is making a mistake by passing on the Cougars. I do think BYU would improve that league on several levels. However, they obviously do not agree. I'm sure part of theIt reservation was related to BYU's notorious arrogance – kind of like we're seeing here.

I think the best bet for BYU and many other schools is to take the strongest teams in the East and the strongest teams in the West that are not already in P5 conferences and create a superconference that way. I know that was discussed briefly the last time but it did not happen. I think they should revisit that idea because that is probably everyone's best hope for the foreseeable future.

Byu might want to join the aac as a football only now. This would allow the aac to add 1 full member and go with 14 for football. If army and Air Force also joined, aac would have 12 full and 4 football only.

Byu, army, navy, afa
Tulsa, smu, Houston, Tulane
Uconn, temple, cincy, Memphis
Ecu, USf, ucf, x

Air Force to the wcc with Seattle or Denver. Team 12 for the aac from the pool of umass, odu or Uab

I think the conference should have some combination of the following teams:

WEST
Houston
Brigham Young
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
*Air Force

EAST
Cincinnati
Central Florida
South Florida
Connecticut
*Navy
*Army

I think the Commander-in-Chief Trophy would be a cool thing to have in your league - it would always get you attention.

I'm sure I am missing some good ones too but I think that the conference is demonstrably better than either the AAC or the MWC.

BYU needs to lead this thing. Every western school would follow them and most of the eastern schools would too. Form a league, avoid Sunday play, create a network on their terms. BYU, Army, Navy, AF and go from there.

(10-18-2016 01:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think the conference should have some combination of the following teams:

WEST
Houston
Brigham Young
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
*Air Force

EAST
Cincinnati
Central Florida
South Florida
Connecticut
*Navy
*Army

I think the Commander-in-Chief Trophy would be a cool thing to have in your league - it would always get you attention.

I'm sure I am missing some good ones too but I think that the conference is demonstrably better than either the AAC or the MWC.

I like this. I think you need 2 more, Memphis and Fresno St. Replace Boise with UNLV. Las Vegas is getting the Raiders and a new stadium.

(10-18-2016 02:11 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 01:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think the conference should have some combination of the following teams:

WEST
Houston
Brigham Young
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
*Air Force

EAST
Cincinnati
Central Florida
South Florida
Connecticut
*Navy
*Army

I think the Commander-in-Chief Trophy would be a cool thing to have in your league - it would always get you attention.

I'm sure I am missing some good ones too but I think that the conference is demonstrably better than either the AAC or the MWC.

I like this. I think you need 2 more, Memphis and Fresno St. Replace Boise with UNLV. Las Vegas is getting the Raiders and a new stadium.

Other than cincy and Houston I give 0 fricks about playing any of those schools, leave us out.

(10-18-2016 02:04 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  BYU needs to lead this thing. Every western school would follow them and most of the eastern schools would too. Form a league, avoid Sunday play, create a network on their terms. BYU, Army, Navy, AF and go from there.

Yup, at this point for the next decade, it's going to take a frankenstein conference to get to better money. Of course, good luck getting that thing together. It's one thing if you're Army and Navy and dgaf about your other sports because the Patriot is happy to have them, but no way is the AAC or MWC going to be a parking spot forthe ollies while the coin is chased elsewhere.

AAC tried this, but they couldn't get enough of the chasers to make it happen. At this point, though, if BYU and Army came too and saw some value to the arrangement with football-only, could it be a game-changer?

(10-18-2016 02:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:11 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 01:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think the conference should have some combination of the following teams:

WEST
Houston
Brigham Young
Boise State
Colorado State
San Diego State
*Air Force

EAST
Cincinnati
Central Florida
South Florida
Connecticut
*Navy
*Army

I think the Commander-in-Chief Trophy would be a cool thing to have in your league - it would always get you attention.

I'm sure I am missing some good ones too but I think that the conference is demonstrably better than either the AAC or the MWC.

I like this. I think you need 2 more, Memphis and Fresno St. Replace Boise with UNLV. Las Vegas is getting the Raiders and a new stadium.

Other than cincy and Houston I give 0 fricks about playing any of those schools, leave us out.

Cool. Enjoy Southern Miss, MTSU and Marshall.

Yeah the Big East that BYU turned down was the Big East in name only. More like they turned down the AAC.

If the "Remaining 8" conference was going to be a P5-level conference I'm sure BYU would have no problem joining. The issue of joining a G5 league would apply if the "Remaining 8" were to lose their "P" status and things went to a P4.
Starting a new "best of rest" conference doesn't seem like something BYU would be interested in driving. It would take something like an ESPN (or some other TV partner) driving it to say they want a conference with "these schools" in it that they would pay this much for. Otherwise I see that being a major uphill climb.

(10-18-2016 02:04 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  BYU needs to lead this thing. Every western school would follow them and most of the eastern schools would too. Form a league, avoid Sunday play, create a network on their terms. BYU, Army, Navy, AF and go from there.

No, most of the eastern schools wouldn't follow BYU. A religious school in Utah doesn't have pull with secular schools in the midwest and south. Even religious schools like SMU don't share points of view with BYU.

(10-18-2016 03:11 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:04 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  BYU needs to lead this thing. Every western school would follow them and most of the eastern schools would too. Form a league, avoid Sunday play, create a network on their terms. BYU, Army, Navy, AF and go from there.

No, most of the eastern schools wouldn't follow BYU. A religious school in Utah doesn't have pull with secular schools in the midwest and south. Even religious schools like SMU don't share points of view with BYU.

If BYU provided some leadership in putting together a best of the rest, the eastern schools would follow. SMU isn't one of those schools.

(10-18-2016 01:48 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Byu might want to join the aac as a football only now.

No they won't no matter how some of you try to spin it.

(10-18-2016 03:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 01:48 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Byu might want to join the aac as a football only now.

No they won't no matter how some of you try to spin it.

Agreed. Plus BYU can't let Utah pass them in perception. BYU's best move is to form a national schedule like Notre Dame but that is difficult as an independent. The mission of BYU's football team is to spread the message of the church of latter day saints. How better to do that when you play in the NYC, Cincinnati, Tampa, Orlando, Houston, San Diego and Denver media markets along with playing national draws like Army, Navy and Air Force?

I think the rest of the G5 should either get a "G5 football commissioner" with real power, or form a "best of the rest" conference, with or without BYU. It makes sense to decouple football from other sports. Have a nationwide football conference with local and regional olympic sports. By getting the teams together, you also are able to jointly bargain for TV payouts, and get a larger overall pie.

However, for each college it comes down to how to maximize some mix of money, visibility, and excitement. Would a "best of the rest" conference do that for BYU or Boise St - who has a sweetheart TV deal?

(10-18-2016 03:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 03:11 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:04 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  BYU needs to lead this thing. Every western school would follow them and most of the eastern schools would too. Form a league, avoid Sunday play, create a network on their terms. BYU, Army, Navy, AF and go from there.

No, most of the eastern schools wouldn't follow BYU. A religious school in Utah doesn't have pull with secular schools in the midwest and south. Even religious schools like SMU don't share points of view with BYU.

If BYU provided some leadership in putting together a best of the rest, the eastern schools would follow. SMU isn't one of those schools.

That is just your opinion, you have nothing of substance to back up that claim.

(10-18-2016 01:36 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Many people seem to be figuring that BYU would join the "remaining 8" if Texas and Oklahoma leave. Can anyone give a good reason for that happening? BYU turned down the Big East when they came asking, why would it be any different with the "Remaining 8?"

I'm trying to think of some reason, whether logic, financial, or renewing rivalries. However, BYU has not scheduled any of these teams in football apart from West Virginia this year and TCU many years ago. BYU has better attendance than any of these teams, despite not getting Oklahoma and Texas to visit regularly. They would not be close geographically. The remaining 8 would not have P5 bowls or money to give BYU.

So, what would be the appeal? How would the remaining 8 be able to attract BYU? Perhaps some form of unequal sharing might work, but that seems to be about it.

Hey Constanza, "Your Bald!"
The remaining 8 WOULD NOT TAKE BYU.
Cheers!

Why not BYU with the same deal ND has with the AAC.
All their home games are televised and they have a strong basketball program.
Add Air force football only with them AF could replace BYU in the WCC.
gives the conference twelve Olympic sports members.
Thirteen and a half for football allowing BYU more bowl options and Access Bowl access.
Takes a top three MWC team and the strongest G5 out West .
If BYU makes the Access Bowl the conference shares the money like any other school.
BYU wouldn't count in the conference standings like Notre dame doesn't.
Play AF every year and rotate the other twelve.
Keeps BYU in their independent P5ish category and helps the conference and BYU.
MAYBE I should be commissioner?