(10-11-2016 08:10 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  Maybe you should not take it so seriously. Winning is fun but I view the game day experience as entertainment. If we win it makes it better. If we lose, we'll tailgate and have fun with our friends at the next home game.

We usually make at least one road trip a year and go to as many bowl games as our schedule allows. All very enjoyable.

It works for us. Maybe you should try it.

That's the direction I'm leaning. Instead of buying season tickets and driving over two hours to make every home game I should just pick a game or two. You don't really save any money by buying season tickets and it isn't like tickets are hard to get with this level of performance.

I think that was the point of my post, that I'm transitioning to a casual fan that attends one or two games a year instead of a season ticket holder. I have better things to do.

(10-11-2016 08:10 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 07:27 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 06:51 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  I'm quickly heading towards 100% apathy. Didn't listen to the UConn game for the most part. Turned to WLW while doing yard work just to get the score. It was almost the end of the game and I just chuckled and said, "That figures...".

Here's my question. Is the Bearcat's football run over? Mentally, where I am is, "Well, that was fun while it lasted" and I'm looking for new ways to spend my Saturdays. Still love my school and still root for all of the athletic teams.

So, is the run over and what would it take to breathe new life into Football at UC?

This is where I am, minus the my school part.

I decided several years ago that while having a passion for something like sports is good, it should really only be used in my life for enjoyment. When it turns into frustration and puts me in a bad mood it needs to be dropped. I'm 30 years old and have rooted for nothing but losers my entire life, and I simply won't do it in the future. I only watched three Reds games this entire year, that was a big step for me. College football to me was always so ridiculous to me with human rankings, no playoffs and a bunch of worthless bowl games that I never paid any attention to it. But when UC began to rise I jumped on that bandwagon ASAP, even had season tickets for a few years. But I haven't watched a single second of the last three games and I don't see that changing. It sucks to lose out on good entertainment, but if the team and those who run it don't seem to care then there is no reason for me to invest emotionally or financially into it. Again, it's not my alma mater, so I suppose there is a different connection for me, but I would think if UC truly had the ambition to get into the P5 and become nationally relevant they need much more fan support from non graduates like myself.

Maybe you should not take it so seriously. Winning is fun but I view the game day experience as entertainment. If we win it makes it better. If we lose, we'll tailgate and have fun with our friends at the next home game.

We usually make at least one road trip a year and go to as many bowl games as our schedule allows. All very enjoyable.

It works for us. Maybe you should try it.

Completely agree, I thought that what I was saying, maybe I just don't explain myself very well. But it's not like this is just a few losses. This is the cumulative effect. TT loses, loses big, looks terrible doing it and also looks like he and the team doesn't care much while doing it. All while wasting away the only kids that have a shot at playing at the next level. It has become so frustrating to watch that I simply can't do it. Kudos to those who stick with it though.

Just looked at college football statistics and this caught my eye. Can't remember the last time our D was ranked ahead of our of O (both of these aren't great BTW - there are 128 teams in FBS)

Total Offense (80th)
Total Defense (78th)

Other fun facts: We're 108th in scoring offense, 117th in rushing ypg, 116th in 3rd down D, 122nd in 4th down D, 123rd in Interceptions thrown.

So objectively, we can't run the ball which leads us to throwing the ball more than we should (given the quality of our QBs sans Kiel) which leads to interceptions which keeps points off the board. Then on defense, we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs which extends drives and puts points on the board for the other team (but not an absurd number of points we're middle of the pack nationally).

(10-11-2016 09:37 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  Just looked at college football statistics and this caught my eye. Can't remember the last time our D was ranked ahead of our of O (both of these aren't great BTW - there are 128 teams in FBS)

Total Offense (80th)
Total Defense (78th)

Other fun facts: We're 108th in scoring offense, 117th in rushing ypg, 116th in 3rd down D, 122nd in 4th down D, 123rd in Interceptions thrown.

So objectively, we can't run the ball which leads us to throwing the ball more than we should (given the quality of our QBs sans Kiel) which leads to interceptions which keeps points off the board. Then on defense, we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs which extends drives and puts points on the board for the other team (but not an absurd number of points we're middle of the pack nationally).

Gunner was too turnover prone though. Far cry from last year's offensive output. At least last year we moved the ball up and down the field.

Gotta protect the football. I find the best way to do that is punt. Gotta play to punt.

Just to update how completely ridiculous TT is being about the QB situation...

After last game the career numbers for Kiel vs. Moore/Trail.

Kiel 50 TD passes, 24 INT, 6,000 yards passing
M/T 17 TD passes, 21 INT, 3,500 yards passing

Protecting the ball my ***

(10-11-2016 09:37 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  Just looked at college football statistics and this caught my eye. Can't remember the last time our D was ranked ahead of our of O (both of these aren't great BTW - there are 128 teams in FBS)

Total Offense (80th)
Total Defense (78th)

Other fun facts: We're 108th in scoring offense, 117th in rushing ypg, 116th in 3rd down D, 122nd in 4th down D, 123rd in Interceptions thrown.

So objectively, we can't run the ball which leads us to throwing the ball more than we should (given the quality of our QBs sans Kiel) which leads to interceptions which keeps points off the board. Then on defense, we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs which extends drives and puts points on the board for the other team (but not an absurd number of points we're middle of the pack nationally).

The third down defense has been awful. And as was the case against UConn often there were more than 5-10 yards to go.

I think a big part of the problem is still the passive defense that rarely blitzes. UConn's QB had way too much time to see the whole field and easily pick out a wide open receiver several times.

(10-11-2016 09:53 AM)apoe Wrote:  Just to update how completely ridiculous TT is being about the QB situation...

After last game the career numbers for Kiel vs. Moore/Trail.

Kiel 50 TD passes, 24 INT, 6,000 yards passing
M/T 17 TD passes, 21 INT, 3,500 yards passing

Protecting the ball my ***

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so freaking depressing.

Objectively What is the Problem.....

G5 STATUS WITHIN THE AAC.

UC athletics will continue to decline across all teams, including MBB, until the above is fixed. If leadership can't fix it then alumni and fan support will decline, merchandising will decline, revenues will decline, and subsequently admissions will decline as well as academic donations will decline.

This is far more than just a semi (OK, a fully) retired head coach. UC is on the fast train to MAC membership.

Change will come when the economics of keeping CTT dictate. If the university is not proactive in anticipation of the financial damage that is coming the issue will be forced. After next year renewals will be up for the club seats. I have no intention of spending that kind of money for the crap that is being put on the field.

(10-11-2016 10:08 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Objectively What is the Problem.....

G5 STATUS WITHIN THE AAC.

UC athletics will continue to decline across all teams, including MBB, until the above is fixed. If leadership can't fix it then alumni and fan support will decline, merchandising will decline, revenues will decline, and subsequently admissions will decline as well as academic donations will decline.

This is far more than just a semi (OK, a fully) retired head coach. UC is on the fast train to MAC membership.

Other teams are in the AAC and performing at a significantly higher level. No reason UC cannot compete in this conference. To be where we really want to be we have to get in a P5 league, but being 0-3 in this league is more than just being in this league.

I feel we need to stop operations at the University and just shut everything down .


Good lord.

If only UC could petition the NCAA to get Kiel another year based on this buffoon's seemingly personal grudge.

And yes that this idiot Tuberville (and past success doesn't keep him from being an idiot) first used the "turnover"/"protect the ball" excuse which has turned out to be totally ridiculous and acts like we are fools with the learning the offense excuse.

(10-11-2016 09:37 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  Just looked at college football statistics and this caught my eye. Can't remember the last time our D was ranked ahead of our of O (both of these aren't great BTW - there are 128 teams in FBS)

Total Offense (80th)
Total Defense (78th)

Other fun facts: We're 108th in scoring offense, 117th in rushing ypg, 116th in 3rd down D, 122nd in 4th down D, 123rd in Interceptions thrown.

So objectively, we can't run the ball which leads us to throwing the ball more than we should (given the quality of our QBs sans Kiel) which leads to interceptions which keeps points off the board. Then on defense, we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs which extends drives and puts points on the board for the other team (but not an absurd number of points we're middle of the pack nationally).

This means the team is playing to its recruiting rankings. More than anything, that summarizes my many problems with TT (and I was one of the fools who went to 5/3 for his introduction). For a number of years, UC was producing wins far above the recruiting rankings because of the ability to coach players up and design systems that took advantage of the skills.

Last year, I got season tickets with my dad (he has no affiliation with UC besides some tuition payments years ago). By this time last year, he was done suffering through the weather to watch a team go through the motions under a coaching staff that continually made ridiculous decisions.

(10-11-2016 11:10 AM)cpawfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 09:37 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  Just looked at college football statistics and this caught my eye. Can't remember the last time our D was ranked ahead of our of O (both of these aren't great BTW - there are 128 teams in FBS)

Total Offense (80th)
Total Defense (78th)

Other fun facts: We're 108th in scoring offense, 117th in rushing ypg, 116th in 3rd down D, 122nd in 4th down D, 123rd in Interceptions thrown.

So objectively, we can't run the ball which leads us to throwing the ball more than we should (given the quality of our QBs sans Kiel) which leads to interceptions which keeps points off the board. Then on defense, we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs which extends drives and puts points on the board for the other team (but not an absurd number of points we're middle of the pack nationally).

This means the team is playing to its recruiting rankings. More than anything, that summarizes my many problems with TT (and I was one of the fools who went to 5/3 for his introduction). For a number of years, UC was producing wins far above the recruiting rankings because of the ability to coach players up and design systems that took advantage of the skills.

Last year, I got season tickets with my dad (he has no affiliation with UC besides some tuition payments years ago). By this time last year, he was done suffering through the weather to watch a team go through the motions under a coaching staff that continually made ridiculous decisions.

I remember the excitement at that introduction. I was there in a musical capacity. If only we knew back then.

(10-11-2016 10:14 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 10:08 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Objectively What is the Problem.....

G5 STATUS WITHIN THE AAC.

UC athletics will continue to decline across all teams, including MBB, until the above is fixed. If leadership can't fix it then alumni and fan support will decline, merchandising will decline, revenues will decline, and subsequently admissions will decline as well as academic donations will decline.

This is far more than just a semi (OK, a fully) retired head coach. UC is on the fast train to MAC membership.

Other teams are in the AAC and performing at a significantly higher level. No reason UC cannot compete in this conference. To be where we really want to be we have to get in a P5 league, but being 0-3 in this league is more than just being in this league.

Houston will be done after this year when Herman leaves and takes his 5 and 4 star recruits. Just like Dantonio did when he went to MSU. UCF went from BCS to winless in just a couple of years. Winning in the G5 is not sustainable. And UC fans in a major league city will not accept a team that makes mid-level bowl games - maybe this year not at all.

(10-11-2016 09:37 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  Just looked at college football statistics and this caught my eye. Can't remember the last time our D was ranked ahead of our of O (both of these aren't great BTW - there are 128 teams in FBS)

Total Offense (80th)
Total Defense (78th)

Other fun facts: We're 108th in scoring offense, 117th in rushing ypg, 116th in 3rd down D, 122nd in 4th down D, 123rd in Interceptions thrown.

So objectively, we can't run the ball which leads us to throwing the ball more than we should (given the quality of our QBs sans Kiel) which leads to interceptions which keeps points off the board. Then on defense, we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs which extends drives and puts points on the board for the other team (but not an absurd number of points we're middle of the pack nationally).

I get that it's early for him, but Taylor's offense has been a disaster.

(10-11-2016 11:31 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 10:14 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 10:08 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Objectively What is the Problem.....

G5 STATUS WITHIN THE AAC.

UC athletics will continue to decline across all teams, including MBB, until the above is fixed. If leadership can't fix it then alumni and fan support will decline, merchandising will decline, revenues will decline, and subsequently admissions will decline as well as academic donations will decline.

This is far more than just a semi (OK, a fully) retired head coach. UC is on the fast train to MAC membership.

Other teams are in the AAC and performing at a significantly higher level. No reason UC cannot compete in this conference. To be where we really want to be we have to get in a P5 league, but being 0-3 in this league is more than just being in this league.

Houston will be done after this year when Herman leaves and takes his 5 and 4 star recruits. Just like Dantonio did when he went to MSU. UCF went from BCS to winless in just a couple of years. Winning in the G5 is not sustainable. And UC fans in a major league city will not accept a team that makes mid-level bowl games - maybe this year not at all.

Houston has won 8 games or more 8 times in 10 years since 2006 under 4 different head coaches (6 if you include interim). That includes 2 Ten win seasons and 2 thirteen win seasons. They won their conference 5 times over that span. Boise is another example of prolonged success in the G5. Utah was when they were in the G5 as well. The idea that you cannot be successful against your peers over a long period of time because you are in the G5 is ridiculous.

"So objectively, we can't run the ball which leads us to throwing the ball more than we should (given the quality of our QBs sans Kiel) which leads to interceptions which keeps points off the board. Then on defense, we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs which extends drives and puts points on the board for the other team (but not an absurd number of points we're middle of the pack nationally)."

It's a little misleading to say we can't run the ball. What we're seeing teams do post Houston is basically way overload the line of scrimmage/box which really makes it difficult for any team to run the ball. Our problem has been not having qb's who can make the opponents pay for cheating the line of scrimmage. If either of them was more consistently accurate both throwing the ball and reading what's out there we would be able to pull teams out of that. Until we do, you could have Jim Brown back there with 7 and something 8 guys in the box and he'll struggle. You have to make defenses pay by getting behind them in those sets. Moore had 27 incompletions Saturday.
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(10-11-2016 12:24 PM)dsquare Wrote:  "So objectively, we can't run the ball which leads us to throwing the ball more than we should (given the quality of our QBs sans Kiel) which leads to interceptions which keeps points off the board. Then on defense, we can't get off the field on 3rd and 4th downs which extends drives and puts points on the board for the other team (but not an absurd number of points we're middle of the pack nationally)."

It's a little misleading to say we can't run the ball. What we're seeing teams do post Houston is basically way overload the line of scrimmage/box which really makes it difficult for any team to run the ball. Our problem has been not having qb's who can make the opponents pay for cheating the line of scrimmage. If either of them was more consistently accurate both throwing the ball and reading what's out there we would be able to pull teams out of that. Until we do, you could have Jim Brown back there with 7 and something 8 guys in the box and he'll struggle. You have to make defenses pay by getting behind them in those sets. Moore had 27 incompletions Saturday.

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While I agree our struggles passing the ball are not helping the run game, our O line has not been good. We're getting beat at the line of scrimmage by most teams. But we also haven't been very creative in our run game. Seems to be a lot of the same inside handoffs (although we did exploit USF in the first half with wide running which they adapted to in the 2nd half). Which that leads into an overall theme of lack of creativity from the offense. I thought we play called extremely well against Purdue. Now maybe it was magnified by how bad Purdue is but it does seem the overall playcalling has been particularly bland the last several games.