we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

ASU won't move a home game to that date. It's bad enough for them playing home games in September because of the heat. Earlier in August would be at least as bad, even at night. On August 26 in Tempe this year, it was 99 degrees at 5 pm and it was still 90 at midnight.

(09-29-2016 10:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

ASU won't move a home game to that date. It's bad enough for them playing home games in September because of the heat. Earlier in August would be at least as bad, even at night. On August 26 in Tempe this year, it was 99 degrees at 5 pm and it was still 90 at midnight.

ok, then Stanford @ San Diego St.

would be a great appetizer for the season.

OR you could have Arizona St play week 0 at a neutral site. (Cardinal's dome?)

Rule only really seems to say that it has to be on the Saturday before the pre-Labor Day Thursday.

(09-28-2016 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  it wouldn't have to be just that though. Take next year. Fresno St plays at Hawaii during the season. So they could if they want start early. Who do they play OOC? @ Alabama. I could EASILY see that game moved.

If I am reading that new rule correctly, Alabama would be allowed to play that game one week early. However, only Fresno - the team that played @ Hawaii - would be able to get a 13th regular season game out of it. Alabama would still be limited to 12.

(09-29-2016 11:20 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  it wouldn't have to be just that though. Take next year. Fresno St plays at Hawaii during the season. So they could if they want start early. Who do they play OOC? @ Alabama. I could EASILY see that game moved.

If I am reading that new rule correctly, Alabama would be allowed to play that game one week early. However, only Fresno - the team that played @ Hawaii - would be able to get a 13th regular season game out of it. Alabama would still be limited to 12.

That's correct.

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

That would be a nice quadruple header to start college football and a good exposure for the MW.

(09-29-2016 03:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

That would be a nice quadruple header to start college football and a good exposure for the MW.

I'm surprised there isn't more of a push by the MW conference office to make it happen, and to try negotiating a little more cash from the networks as a quid pro quo given the likely ratings bonanza for them.

Oh, I forgot, Thompson is our commissioner.

(09-29-2016 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

That would be a nice quadruple header to start college football and a good exposure for the MW.

I'm surprised there isn't more of a push by the MW conference office to make it happen, and to try negotiating a little more cash from the networks as a quid pro quo given the likely ratings bonanza for them.

Oh, I forgot, Thompson is our commissioner.

The thing is, not all the games would be controlled by the MWC. In fact the 4 games I mentioned- NONE of them would be controlled by the MWC.

(09-29-2016 04:10 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

That would be a nice quadruple header to start college football and a good exposure for the MW.

I'm surprised there isn't more of a push by the MW conference office to make it happen, and to try negotiating a little more cash from the networks as a quid pro quo given the likely ratings bonanza for them.

Oh, I forgot, Thompson is our commissioner.

The thing is, not all the games would be controlled by the MWC. In fact the 4 games I mentioned- NONE of them would be controlled by the MWC.

The MWC could easily see some of that money if they wanted to negotiate it. The only reason why broadcast rights belong to the home team is that it's tradition.

(09-29-2016 05:08 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 04:10 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

That would be a nice quadruple header to start college football and a good exposure for the MW.

I'm surprised there isn't more of a push by the MW conference office to make it happen, and to try negotiating a little more cash from the networks as a quid pro quo given the likely ratings bonanza for them.

Oh, I forgot, Thompson is our commissioner.

The thing is, not all the games would be controlled by the MWC. In fact the 4 games I mentioned- NONE of them would be controlled by the MWC.

The MWC could easily see some of that money if they wanted to negotiate it. The only reason why broadcast rights belong to the home team is that it's tradition.

Correct - Alabama hosting Fresno week 3 - boring.
Alabama hosting Fresno week 0 when everyone is itching to see ANY Football - ratings goldmine

(09-29-2016 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

That would be a nice quadruple header to start college football and a good exposure for the MW.

I'm surprised there isn't more of a push by the MW conference office to make it happen, and to try negotiating a little more cash from the networks as a quid pro quo given the likely ratings bonanza for them.

Oh, I forgot, Thompson is our commissioner.

Given that the exception just started, it'll take a couple of years to adjust. The opposite party needs to agree also. This isn't anything CT has to do but up to the schools to see if they want and are able to work it out. I'm guessing there will be more games in week 0, just because it'll be more exposure.

(09-29-2016 05:50 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

That would be a nice quadruple header to start college football and a good exposure for the MW.

I'm surprised there isn't more of a push by the MW conference office to make it happen, and to try negotiating a little more cash from the networks as a quid pro quo given the likely ratings bonanza for them.

Oh, I forgot, Thompson is our commissioner.

Given that the exception just started, it'll take a couple of years to adjust. The opposite party needs to agree also. This isn't anything CT has to do but up to the schools to see if they want and are able to work it out. I'm guessing there will be more games in week 0, just because it'll be more exposure.

A creative, proactive leader in the commissioner's seat could work behind the scenes to bring together representatives of MWC schools, OOC schools and the networks to figure out how best to monetize the new rule to everyone's joint benefit. There's no indication that is happening. IMHO it would be if someone like Aresco was the MWC commissioner.

(09-29-2016 05:59 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 05:50 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 03:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

That would be a nice quadruple header to start college football and a good exposure for the MW.

I'm surprised there isn't more of a push by the MW conference office to make it happen, and to try negotiating a little more cash from the networks as a quid pro quo given the likely ratings bonanza for them.

Oh, I forgot, Thompson is our commissioner.

Given that the exception just started, it'll take a couple of years to adjust. The opposite party needs to agree also. This isn't anything CT has to do but up to the schools to see if they want and are able to work it out. I'm guessing there will be more games in week 0, just because it'll be more exposure.

A creative, proactive leader in the commissioner's seat could work behind the scenes to bring together representatives of MWC schools, OOC schools and the networks to figure out how best to monetize the new rule to everyone's joint benefit. There's no indication that is happening. IMHO it would be if someone like Aresco was the MWC commissioner.

Who's to say he isn't? But, there are many variables involved and the big one is the TV network of home team. What does the SEC network have to say vs CBS?

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

I didn't realize Hawaii has home games vs Alabama, Washington, Arizona St and UCLA next season? This cannot be right^?
Cheers!

I don't think it is. I think the rule also lets Hawaii's road game opponents move one of their 12 games to week 0.

And if you play at Hawaii, then by a different rule you can play a 13th game in the regular season, if you choose.

(09-29-2016 09:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 09:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  we could have week 0 next year....
Colorado St @ Alabama
Fresno St @ Washington
San Diego St @ Arizona St
Hawaii @ UCLA

I didn't realize Hawaii has home games vs Alabama, Washington, Arizona St and UCLA next season? This cannot be right^?
Cheers!

Fortunately it's not. Hawaii's home OOC games next year are against Western Carolina (FCS) and BYU. It's possible one more will be scheduled.

However Hawaii does have home conference games against San Jose State, Colorado State, Fresno State and San Diego State. Under the NCAA's expanded Hawaii exemption, playing at Hawaii entitles each of those schools to not only play a 13th game, but also to play one of its 13 games on the Saturday preceding the first weekend of the regular season (so that scheduling the 13th game doesn't force it to give up a bye week). So theoretically each of them could move an already-scheduled payday game against a big-name opponent to that "Kick-Off Saturday", be seen by a much larger audience (which in my view should entitle the home team to more TV cash, a portion of which should be shared with the MWC opponent), and backfill with a home or away game against a 13th opponent. That's what stever is suggesting.

(09-29-2016 10:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't think it is. I think the rule also lets Hawaii's road game opponents move one of their 12 games to week 0.

And if you play at Hawaii, then by a different rule you can play a 13th game in the regular season, if you choose.

Almost right. Teams that play at Hawaii can move a game to week 0, but only if they schedule a 13th game. The condition also applies to Hawaii itself.

(09-29-2016 11:41 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-29-2016 10:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't think it is. I think the rule also lets Hawaii's road game opponents move one of their 12 games to week 0.

And if you play at Hawaii, then by a different rule you can play a 13th game in the regular season, if you choose.

Almost right. Teams that play at Hawaii can move a game to week 0, but only if they schedule a 13th game. The condition also applies to Hawaii itself.

nope. Has nothing to do with the 13th game at all whatsoever.

here is the actual rule:
17.10.3.1 Exception -- Institutions That Compete in Hawaii. An institution that is scheduled to play a regular-season game in Hawaii may play its first permissible contest with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day. If the institution's first opponent of the season is not a member institution located in Hawaii, the institution’s first opponent of the season may also play its first contest (game or scrimmage) with outside competition on the Saturday prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day.

there is nothing in there regarding having to play 13 games. They can, but aren't required to.