(09-27-2016 06:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Aresco and BigEastHomer at the AAC headquarters upon news that the Big XII might not expand after all.

No way. BEH wants Houston in the Big 12 badly. The second that happens he will be: Big East Homer: The Big 12 Guy!
Cheers!

(09-27-2016 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 11:39 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Little Mike must be ecstatic over the apparent Big 12 decision to forego/table expansion. He can continue to build his conference and maybe wedge into the P6 after all.

There is a zero % chance of that ever happening.

Ever.

There is a negative 10% chance of it happening. 0% is too optimistic Quo.
Cheers!

(09-27-2016 08:05 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 06:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Aresco and BigEastHomer at the AAC headquarters upon news that the Big XII might not expand after all.

No way. BEH wants Houston in the Big 12 badly. The second that happens he will be: Big East Homer: The Big 12 Guy!
Cheers!

Only 33.3% of him wants that. 66.6% wants the AAC to stay together.

(09-27-2016 08:22 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 08:05 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 06:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Aresco and BigEastHomer at the AAC headquarters upon news that the Big XII might not expand after all.

No way. BEH wants Houston in the Big 12 badly. The second that happens he will be: Big East Homer: The Big 12 Guy!
Cheers!

Only 33.3% of him wants that. 66.6% wants the AAC to stay together.

Oh because two of the other schools he follows would still be stuck in the AAC?
Cheers!

(09-27-2016 06:38 PM)Fuzzyhasek2 Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 04:02 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Todge,

Don't even get into budgets. Facts are facts and I can only speak for us and your numbers look right but you're missing one key factor.

Tech and the like have had 20 plus years enjoying the fat paychecks that come with BCS and now P5 status.

Don't act like they all came in from the cold with budgets, fanbases, and facilities that big.

yea lets not let facts get in the way of excuse making

and what are you are ignorant of is the fact that the only ones that put your program into the cold are your fans and your program and your administration

it was not the fault of any other team or program that your university refused to improve facilities, invest in your program, let basket ball die a quick and lasting death, fans did not show up to games, no alumni donations and on and on

you pretend a though there has always been some massive discrepancy in earnings between teams or the fact that one team gets more money from the conference somehow prevents YOUR FANS from showing up

when the time came for some programs to put up or shut up some programs shut up and some put up....too bad so sad for you

it is laughable that a team with some vocal fans that talk so much about dat market doh and 6 million people and "losing the Houston market" and all the people moving to Houston (that we are all suppose to believe will suddenly become dem coogs doh fans) has so many excuses about why THEIR FANS never show up in large numbers to games or why year in and year out their alumni do not support the program

you ended up right where you belonged in the CUSA with a bunch of other teams that were content to not spend a lot, not ask a lot of their fans, not expect a lot of their program and that would react slowly and way too late to change and instead would plod along getting the leftover spots and then jumping up and down and demanding more once you have a winning season or two in your new leftover spot

try being a bit proactive instead of reactive and here is another clue try living in the real world for where your programs stands now and in the immediate past instead of in the fantasy world of excuses

I mean how pathetic is it that after you take away 100% of the Big 12 money AND 100% of the academic and student side money from Big 12 programs and show them to have larger budgets still the only answer back is another excuse pretending as though somehow those Big 12 programs just lucked into a position to still have a larger budget with no conference money and no academic/student money than programs that are having all of that counted in their budget

how pathetic is it after a comparison like that someone can't look at that and realize that it was their program, fans and administration that failed it was not other programs being "lucky" or "having all the breaks"

this is why these programs STILL should not be P5 programs because their fans suck

How do you think they'd be doing when the highlight of their last 20 years was playing Texas St or UTSA?

well ask TCU about that their fan base and administration decided long ago to be proactive about their program and the position of their program no matter what conference they were in and what teams they were playing

when opportunities even small came about to change for the better they did not make excuses nor did they cling to past rivalries and ancient history or cry about UT UT UT instead they did what was best for them

as soon as they took a step they were already actively working on the next step and what it would take to be prepared for that BEFORE it came about and to show themselves in the best light possible IMMEDIATELY upon that opportunity presenting itself and they made sure to do all they could to keep on the field success at the same time

they did not sit around and talk about losing a coach and how other programs were lucky to keep a winning coach (excuse making) instead they came up with the novel idea to actually do what it takes to keep that coach and make that coach want to stay


if you are pretending that every program would copy the "do little to improve until it comes time to try and jump on the last POSSIBLY available life boat out of G5" combined with the "have a lot of ready made excuses why we are not taking full advantage of all of our claimed advantages and claimed potential" and mixed with the "pretend that a couple of seasons represents a guaranteed future performance in spite of past rapid drop offs even with all of out advantages and potential" and finally topped off with the "let us tell you what we will do if we play teams our fans actually care about and we get more money".......well those programs that copied that model would probably just suck for the most part and have a lot of excuses and a lot of talk about what they coulda, woulda, shoulda, and willa do if they are just let into the club like all the other programs that go with that (poor and failed) method of SELF improvement

they would use a lot of meaningless stats like the winning total of the last 5 seasons while ignoring actual rankings, actual butts in the seats, actual budgets and when comparisons were made even in the most BENEFICIAL way possible for them they would try and claim bias or somehow claim it was still an unfair comparison and then toss out nonsense about what would have happened to those programs if they had dropped the ball and ignored all aspects of their program and not improved it for decades

so who knows what programs that did not allow their program to fall off the face of the earth would have done if they had allowed their program to fall off the face of the earth.....they did not do that yours did.....too bad so sad buck up little buckaroo and get your program in line for yourself before demanding anyone else do it for you

Mike Aresco was spotted wearing a green mask and dyed red hair earlier today. Was heard shouting "joygasm"...

(09-27-2016 03:25 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 01:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Big 12 snubs expansion this year, this is what Aresco should do:

AAC GOR, with a buy out. Something unprecedented, like $50M to get out of the GOR should the Big 12 change its mind next year for example.

Schools that theoretically still have a chance to advance to the Big 12 or another Power 5 conference at another point in the future will never agree to a GOR (Houston, Cincy, UConn, USF, UCF, SMU). Even Temple and ECU/Memphis would be inclined to decline as they are in the ACC and ACC/SEC footprints respectively and you never know what could happen in the world or realignment. With all of those schools looking to get out, Navy would decline a GOR as well as they don't want to be stuck in a gutted conference. Only Tulsa and Tulane would go for the GOR.

. The Big 12 would disagree with your heirarchy.
Memphis and ECU need to get their academics and research up and improve in minor sports. SMU, not a research school, needs to win big; Tulane, AAU, needs to win moderately (both decent in minor sports). Temple is hard to judge.
Tulsa and ECU would definitely sign GOR. Memphis and Temple probably would. When those 4 do, SMU and Tulane probably would. Houston might as well- they have academic issues and without this super football team and with so many in Texas, they may not be the talk of the town.

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 04:02 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Todge,

Don't even get into budgets. Facts are facts and I can only speak for us and your numbers look right but you're missing one key factor.

Tech and the like have had 20 plus years enjoying the fat paychecks that come with BCS and now P5 status.

Don't act like they all came in from the cold with budgets, fanbases, and facilities that big.

yea lets not let facts get in the way of excuse making

Good Lord Todge are that dense that you overlooked that I agreed your numbers were right but you're overlooking the bigger picture?

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  and what are you are ignorant of is the fact that the only ones that put your program into the cold are your fans and your program and your administration

At what point did I dispute that (or even bring that up)? Stay on task buddy I know you like to rant but come on......

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  it was not the fault of any other team or program that your university refused to improve facilities, invest in your program, let basket ball die a quick and lasting death, fans did not show up to games, no alumni donations and on and on

Again when did I say this? You just started spouting off budget numbers (that again I agreed were correct) My point because your hatred blinds you so much that I have to dumb it down for you is......

Those schools would not have those budgets outside of the BCS/P5.

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  you pretend a though there has always been some massive discrepancy in earnings between teams or the fact that one team gets more money from the conference somehow prevents YOUR FANS from showing up

Man you get tunnel vision like nobody's business. Did I say that for the third time?

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  when the time came for some programs to put up or shut up some programs shut up and some put up....too bad so sad for you

Agreed 1000%, If you took the time to read and checked your emotions and blind hatred you would see what I have said this much time and time again. It's why we started putting up about a decade ago in preparation for such a move.

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  it is laughable that a team with some vocal fans that talk so much about dat market doh and 6 million people and "losing the Houston market" and all the people moving to Houston (that we are all suppose to believe will suddenly become dem coogs doh fans) has so many excuses about why THEIR FANS never show up in large numbers to games or why year in and year out their alumni do not support the program

You just continue to display your bias and hatred here I'll stop pointing out that I never went there you did.....

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  you ended up right where you belonged in the CUSA with a bunch of other teams that were content to not spend a lot, not ask a lot of their fans, not expect a lot of their program and that would react slowly and way too late to change and instead would plod along getting the leftover spots and then jumping up and down and demanding more once you have a winning season or two in your new leftover spot

I agree we did nothing to deserve to get into the B12 (but neither did Tech or Baylor other than having strong political ties at the right time). We stopped this line of thinking over a decade ago people like you just refuse to accept that we changed. We aren't UH 1995.

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  try being a bit proactive instead of reactive and here is another clue try living in the real world for where your programs stands now and in the immediate past instead of in the fantasy world of excuses

Why don't you take a second from the ignorance to do a simple Google search and spend 5 minutes of research. That is exactly what we did some time ago!

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  I mean how pathetic is it that after you take away 100% of the Big 12 money AND 100% of the academic and student side money from Big 12 programs and show them to have larger budgets still the only answer back is another excuse pretending as though somehow those Big 12 programs just lucked into a position to still have a larger budget with no conference money and no academic/student money than programs that are having all of that counted in their budget

You're looking at this after 20 years of growth and steady income. To again dumb it down for you its like telling Tech when they joined the B12 why don't they have an unsubsidized 80+ million dollar budget on day one......

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  how pathetic is it after a comparison like that someone can't look at that and realize that it was their program, fans and administration that failed it was not other programs being "lucky" or "having all the breaks"

He dumb@$$........... I never said any of that I am not the one ignoring the bigger picture! You have a deep hatred for UH and take pleasure in trolling all things UH. We are UH 1995 and will never or should ever be more.

We should just be happy to exist in your world.

(09-27-2016 05:24 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this is why these programs STILL should not be P5 programs because their fans suck

Todge it's your opinion which you are entitled to but this is far from Fact!

(09-27-2016 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 04:02 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Todge,

Don't even get into budgets. Facts are facts and I can only speak for us and your numbers look right but you're missing one key factor.

Tech and the like have had 20 plus years enjoying the fat paychecks that come with BCS and now P5 status.

Don't act like they all came in from the cold with budgets, fanbases, and facilities that big.

You might as well say "Alabama and Notre Dame have the advantage of playing big games for over 90 years, thus allowing them to build huge fan bases and big national TV interest". Well duh, but that still means they have huge brand value and we don't. There was a time when they had no football value, too. Everyone starts with nothing.

From one troll onto another.....

I never said that and agree 100% with this statement. My point was directed at the "newer" blood in the BCS/P5 not the bluebloods.

Todge,

To spare the world quoting another of your rants......

Explain to me why UH can't (not isn't capable) do (err... is doing) what TCU did?

When we check the last few things off your hater checklist what will you cite to keep us out and tell the world we are undeserving?

Take off your haterade glasses and please provide a thought out but concise response.

Man Todgelodge is there any way we can get you to stop ruining threads with your unreadable manifestos. At least I can quickly skip Davidst . Do you really think many posters actually read all of your rants? Sorry not trying to insult you but maybe you just needed to be asked nicely. Have a good day

(09-28-2016 10:13 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Todge,

To spare the world quoting another of your rants......

Explain to me why UH can't (not isn't capable) do (err... is doing) what TCU did?

When we check the last few things off your hater checklist what will you cite to keep us out and tell the world we are undeserving?

Take off your haterade glasses and please provide a thought out but concise response.

I never said they couldn't

but get back to us when you have had 7 more ranked seasons in short order

TCU had 9 ranked seasons in 12 total seasons before joining the Big 12

having 2 ranked seasons in the last 25 seasons is not similar to that no matter how much you pretend it is

and PS how about seeing if you can keep a coach for more than a couple of seasons as well

and PSS....TCU can ready and able to have a P5 type budget and to continue to invest in facilities and programs

they did not come with a massive amount of debt and a huge academic side subsidy that their president admitted was unsustainable and that even if it was sustainable would still not get the program to a higher level P5 budget even WITH Big 12 money much less with that subsidy being cut after Big 12 money shows up

UConnHusky/todge,

It wouldn't be the AAC school paying the GoR buy out. That's the point. If the Big 12 decides it needs to expand with Houston and Cincy -- that'll be a cool $100M, payable to the AAC. You could even explicitly write it in the contract that the fee payment has to come from the new conference, not the schools leaving.

And to clarify, I'm not talking about a conference exit fee. I'm talking about an early termination clause ("buy out") in the GoR itself. So it works.


Cyniclone,

Again, I think you're looking at it the wrong way. You see it as a chastity belt on ornery young bulls, looking to break out of the pen.

I'm saying, it's nothing more than a cash reimbursement, from the B12 or ACC, for taking the AAC's teams. The AAC teams don't pay it. And it doesn't risk their chances either, because who else are the B12 or especially the ACC going to take??? W Kentucky?? Marshall?? FIU??? No. The only viable candidates are in the AAC.

(09-28-2016 11:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  UConnHusky/todge,

It wouldn't be the AAC school paying the GoR buy out. That's the point. If the Big 12 decides it needs to expand with Houston and Cincy -- that'll be a cool $100M, payable to the AAC. You could even explicitly write it in the contract that the fee payment has to come from the new conference, not the schools leaving.

And to clarify, I'm not talking about a conference exit fee. I'm talking about an early termination clause ("buy out") in the GoR itself. So it works.


Cyniclone,

Again, I think you're looking at it the wrong way. You see it as a chastity belt on ornery young bulls, looking to break out of the pen.

I'm saying, it's nothing more than a cash reimbursement, from the B12 or ACC, for taking the AAC's teams. The AAC teams don't pay it. And it doesn't risk their chances either, because who else are the B12 or especially the ACC going to take??? W Kentucky?? Marshall?? FIU??? No. The only viable candidates are in the AAC.

you do not seem to understand how this works

a GOR is designed to actually WORK and to actually KEEP teams in the conference it is not a mechanism to make it more expensive for teams to leave the conference

with an exit fee like Maryland had there was never a question that Maryland had the right to leave the ACC and there was never a question that they would take their media rights with them

it was very CLEARLY spelled out in the contract what was needed to leave

the only point of contention is if the amount of money owed was actual damages/cost to the conference for losing that member or if those damages were punitive to the member trying to leave and it is up to the CONFERENCE to prove they are actual damages and not punitive

with a GOR you are actually trying to PREVENT TEAMS FROM LEAVING AT ALL

and with a GOR specifically because there is no exit fee there is no argument over punitive or not punitive and if a member wants to leave it is up to that MEMBER to prove that not retaining their media rights damages them and THEY have to prove it

what you are saying is just to place a punitive cost of leaving the conference into a contract that also is called a GOR, but that does not actually function the way a GOR is suppose to function specifically because it allows a team to exit the conference with a punitive exit fee with the false belief that the pledge of media rights somehow makes that punitive exit fee not punitive

you are missing the entire reason that GORs are written the way they are and their purpose

(09-28-2016 10:42 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:13 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Todge,

To spare the world quoting another of your rants......

Explain to me why UH can't (not isn't capable) do (err... is doing) what TCU did?

When we check the last few things off your hater checklist what will you cite to keep us out and tell the world we are undeserving?

Take off your haterade glasses and please provide a thought out but concise response.

I never said they couldn't

but get back to us when you have had 7 more ranked seasons in short order

TCU had 9 ranked seasons in 12 total seasons before joining the Big 12

having 2 ranked seasons in the last 25 seasons is not similar to that no matter how much you pretend it is

and PS how about seeing if you can keep a coach for more than a couple of seasons as well

and PSS....TCU can ready and able to have a P5 type budget and to continue to invest in facilities and programs

they did not come with a massive amount of debt and a huge academic side subsidy that their president admitted was unsustainable and that even if it was sustainable would still not get the program to a higher level P5 budget even WITH Big 12 money much less with that subsidy being cut after Big 12 money shows up

Your tone seems to conflict with your statement above. Though I do appreciate the concise nature of your response.

That said I can more than break down a TCU/UH comparison. The one area they do run away with as you mentioned is total (weekly) rankings but it's not like we are wanting in this area either.

To compare (as best I can to our current situation) "if" this was our last season G5 here is a side by side of TCU and UH 10 years (through 4 games the last season) prior to elevation.

TCU 89-27 (UH 82-40)
TCU in conference 53-18 (UH 53-24)
TCU out of conference 32-9 (UH 29-16)
TCU home average 32,643 (UH 28,579)

And here is where there is an actual difference:

Total weekly rankings through game 4 the year prior to admission:

TCU 50 (UH 34)

Again a big leap but not insurmountable. 16 additional weeks of the course of roughly 140+ polls is only about a 10% greater showing than us. Like it or not we are not what we used to be. Times have changed.

I can dig as deep into this as you like but we can (and are replicating) the TCU path.

Nice parting shot at our coach. How about we see if he leaves before we go there and if he does he does. We have proven we can reload in that department.

Stopped reading after your second sentence, because you had it wrong.

It doesn't prevent anything. It's purpose is to make it more expensive to leave.

Its amazing how some P5 fans think the G5 can generate this money out of no where. Everything that has been described in this thread takes money, something that the P5 has made sure they hoard, while giving everyone else the shaft. The gap has never been bigger, yet the G5 needs to be "up to par" to the P5 before they can be considered for P5 inclusion.

As well, most P5 teams lucked into their situations. There are only a couple teams in each P5 conferences (Bama, Ohio St, USC, Florida St, Texas, etc.) that are the superpower of the conference that deserve to be there. Most of the rest of the 65 P5 teams are just lackeys, who reap the benefits but give little in return.

Eventually the system will crash, bubbles always burst.

(09-28-2016 11:14 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:42 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(09-28-2016 10:13 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Todge,

To spare the world quoting another of your rants......

Explain to me why UH can't (not isn't capable) do (err... is doing) what TCU did?

When we check the last few things off your hater checklist what will you cite to keep us out and tell the world we are undeserving?

Take off your haterade glasses and please provide a thought out but concise response.

I never said they couldn't

but get back to us when you have had 7 more ranked seasons in short order

TCU had 9 ranked seasons in 12 total seasons before joining the Big 12

having 2 ranked seasons in the last 25 seasons is not similar to that no matter how much you pretend it is

and PS how about seeing if you can keep a coach for more than a couple of seasons as well

and PSS....TCU can ready and able to have a P5 type budget and to continue to invest in facilities and programs

they did not come with a massive amount of debt and a huge academic side subsidy that their president admitted was unsustainable and that even if it was sustainable would still not get the program to a higher level P5 budget even WITH Big 12 money much less with that subsidy being cut after Big 12 money shows up

Your tone seems to conflict with your statement above. Though I do appreciate the concise nature of your response.

That said I can more than break down a TCU/UH comparison. The one area they do run away with as you mentioned is total (weekly) rankings but it's not like we are wanting in this area either.

To compare (as best I can to our current situation) "if" this was our last season G5 here is a side by side of TCU and UH 10 years (through 4 games the last season) prior to elevation.

TCU 89-27 (UH 82-40)
TCU in conference 53-18 (UH 53-24)
TCU out of conference 32-9 (UH 29-16)
TCU home average 32,643 (UH 28,579)

And here is where there is an actual difference:

Total weekly rankings through game 4 the year prior to admission:

TCU 50 (UH 34)

Again a big leap but not insurmountable. 16 additional weeks of the course of roughly 140+ polls is only about a 10% greater showing than us. Like it or not we are not what we used to be. Times have changed.

I can dig as deep into this as you like but we can (and are replicating) the TCU path.

Nice parting shot at our coach. How about we see if he leaves before we go there and if he does he does. We have proven we can reload in that department.

again TCU was ranked at the end of the year 9 times in 12 years with several in the top 10 and one at least in the top 5

that is a long term history that is not 4 years or weekly nonsense that no one cares about except buffoons trying to make false comparisons

8 ranked seasons in the top 25 in 12 seasons with top 10 and top 5 finishes is much more impressive and shows the ability to sustains something much more than 2 ranked seasons in 25 seasons

(09-28-2016 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Stopped reading after your second sentence, because you had it wrong.

It doesn't prevent anything. It's purpose is to make it more expensive to leave.

and your idea just has fail and lose in court because of punitive damages just like a high exit fee written all over it

because you do not understand the purpose of a GOR or why they have no exit fee associated with them at all

your idea is nothing more than a high exit fee

I can lead you right to the water, shove your head under it, but you still don't have to drink.

It's a buy out of a GoR, which would have been voluntarily signed. No court can defeat it.

(09-28-2016 11:23 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  again TCU was ranked at the end of the year 9 times in 12 years with several in the top 10 and one at least in the top 5

that is a long term history that is not 4 years or weekly nonsense that no one cares about except buffoons trying to make false comparisons

8 ranked seasons in the top 25 in 12 seasons with top 10 and top 5 finishes is much more impressive and shows the ability to sustains something much more than 2 ranked seasons in 25 seasons

Are you really that dense? I agreed with you! Just pointing out we have been ranked a respectable amount over a similar period.

TCU finished ranked 7 times in the 10 years prior to the B12 and 8 of the previous 12. Sorry your "facts" don't add up..... That said TCU had an unbelievable run and I for one am not trying to diminish that.

As always your bias bleeds through when I just try and provide a little perspective. I am sorry if it doesn't support your narrative.